Bogus in quran- Formation of mountain

[Mujaahid]

In the following verses, Quran claims that mountains were set on the earth so that the earth never can shake when human being dwelt in it.

(Quran- 21:31): And We have set on earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them.

(Quran-16:15): And he has cast the earth firm mountains lest it shake with you…

(Quran-31:10): He created the heavens without supports that you can see, and has cast onto the earth firm mountains lest it shake with you…

It is clearly understood that Quranic author was completely ignorant about the geological reasoning for existence of mountains. He saw that mountains are huge and heavy. So, He (Allah) thought mountains actually prevent Shaking (Earthquake) of the earth. Fact is, this particular reason for existence of mountains is a direct contradiction with modern geological knowledge. Geology proves to us that movement of tectonic plates, or earthquake itself causes mountains to be formed.
see the modern science difinition...

Mountains are made up of earth and rock materials. The outermost layer of the Earth or the Earth's crust is composed of six plates. When two plates move or collide each other, vast land areas are uplifted, resulting in the formation of mountains.

1.http://www.mountain.org/education/subexplore/explore02.cfm
2.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain
3.http://www.buzzle.com/articles/how-are-mountains-formed.html

Besides, we know very well that, every year several dozens of earthquakes happen on earth. Then what is the result of Allah’s promise? Can we believe that, Mountains are there to prevent earthquake?

 

[Mujaahid]

who create the earth and heaven ....

muslims are believe that the so called god allah made the whole creation without any example, but ????

see this few quranic words

21:30
Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

21:31

And We placed within the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with them, and We made therein [mountain] passes [as] roads that they might be guided.


just two verses there are more


did god create the whole thing with the collaboration of angels or quran is grammatically wrong????

 

[gazaly]

 

[Mujaahid]

where have you found this ??? if you want to give answers pls put your link but not link from islam sites bcoz i done want හොරාගෙ අම්මගෙන් පේන අහන්න..

Mountains do not prevent the shaking of the earth. Mountains are formed due to the movement of tectonic plates under the earth. There are no reliable Geology books which say Mountains prevent the shaking of the earth. Why do we see so many earthquakes in mountainous regions?.

if you say modern science says..... tell me where ??/ which site which book which scientist which academy so on.....other wise i have to accept it as a joke

 

[Mujaahid]

still didn't get an answer for my second argument...

 

[gazaly]

where have you found this ??? if you want to give answers pls put your link but not link from islam sites bcoz i done want හොරාගෙ අම්මගෙන් පේන අහන්න..

Mountains do not prevent the shaking of the earth. Mountains are formed due to the movement of tectonic plates under the earth. There are no reliable Geology books which say Mountains prevent the shaking of the earth. Why do we see so many earthquakes in mountainous regions?.

if you say modern science says..... tell me where ??/ which site which book which scientist which academy so on.....other wise i have to accept it as a joke

Oyata Islam Eka Gana Dana gannata nam Islamic sitewalata thamai yanna wenney.. nathuwa Anti Islamic sites walata newei..
Ok mama Buddagama gana Egena Aganna o'ne mata honda site tikak denna kiyala oyata kiwwoth oya denney Mona sites da?

Link eka nodunney oya oyage adahas wage EK eke anti islamic sites walin wisthara oyage A'wa wage dapu nisai... ok mama link eka dennam... mata deyak dana ganna o'ne poduwe.. Widyawata Anuwa oppu kala nohaki deyak oya dakinney Joke ekak kiyalada oya tharayeyma kiyanney huh?

 

[Mujaahid]

Oyata Islam Eka Gana Dana gannata nam Islamic sitewalata thamai yanna wenney.. nathuwa Anti Islamic sites walata newei..
Ok mama Buddagama gana Egena Aganna o'ne mata honda site tikak denna kiyala oyata kiwwoth oya denney Mona sites da?

Link eka nodunney oya oyage adahas wage EK eke anti islamic sites walin wisthara oyage A'wa wage dapu nisai... ok mama link eka dennam... mata deyak dana ganna o'ne poduwe.. Widyawata Anuwa oppu kala nohaki deyak oya dakinney Joke ekak kiyalada oya tharayeyma kiyanney huh?

machan gazaly,

mama kiwwe islam gana newei. mama mountains gana igena ganna islam sites walata gihilla hariyanne nahane?? oya dala thibba science part eka thiyenna reference eka mama ahuwe. nattham apita eka piliganna widiyak naha

meka widhyawata anuwa dakinna bari deyak newei. mama methana supernatural kathawak kiyala naha mama kiwwe mountains hadila thiyana widiya ganayi.

oya hari mama meka gatthe scribd eken. eka gataluwak newene pilithurak sapayanna. etgh 2nd Q eka matama apu ekak. mama joke ekak widiyata dakinne vidyawen oppu karapu deyak piliganne nathiwa wena wena wikra kiyawanakota.

 

[gazaly]

machan gazaly,

mama kiwwe islam gana newei. mama mountains gana igena ganna islam sites walata gihilla hariyanne nahane?? oya dala thibba science part eka thiyenna reference eka mama ahuwe. nattham apita eka piliganna widiyak naha

meka widhyawata anuwa dakinna bari deyak newei. mama methana supernatural kathawak kiyala naha mama kiwwe mountains hadila thiyana widiya ganayi.

oya hari mama meka gatthe scribd eken. eka gataluwak newene pilithurak sapayanna. etgh 2nd Q eka matama apu ekak. mama joke ekak widiyata dakinne vidyawen oppu karapu deyak piliganne nathiwa wena wena wikra kiyawanakota.

ok api kandu gana katha karanna Islamic sitewalata yanna O'nemada nadda kiyana Eka oyaa Deela thiyena Al quraan wachanen peynawaney.. Arath Alquraan ekema kiyanney Kandu gana poddak hithala hoyala balanna kiyalai..

ithin meynna meywelawata oyata science ekath ekka balanna wenawaney ehema baluwama Ena utthhare mama dammey menna mey Site eken..http://www.thekeytoislam.com/en/scientific-explanations/mountains.shtml

ok Dan oya kiyanwa nam oyata hithenawanam Vidyawen Oppu karanna bari deywal Joke ekak thamai kiyala Oya Boudda Darshanaye thiyena hama deyakma (rahathweema athuluwa)oya oppu karala pennawada oya kiyana naweena vidyawen? bari unoth a'ka joke ekak kiyala oya kiyawada?

 

[Mujaahid]

ok api kandu gana katha karanna Islamic sitewalata yanna O'nemada nadda kiyana Eka oyaa Deela thiyena Al quraan wachanen peynawaney.. Arath Alquraan ekema kiyanney Kandu gana poddak hithala hoyala balanna kiyalai..

ithin meynna meywelawata oyata science ekath ekka balanna wenawaney ehema baluwama Ena utthhare mama dammey menna mey Site eken..http://www.thekeytoislam.com/en/scientific-explanations/mountains.shtml

ok Dan oya kiyanwa nam oyata hithenawanam Vidyawen Oppu karanna bari deywal Joke ekak thamai kiyala Oya Boudda Darshanaye thiyena hama deyakma (rahathweema athuluwa)oya oppu karala pennawada oya kiyana naweena vidyawen? bari unoth a'ka joke ekak kiyala oya kiyawada?

machan didn't get my point yet,

1.i asked you show me any scientific evidance that tells the mountains prevents the earth quakes. i could see lots of islamic and anti islamic websites article about this but still no islamic site given the reference of that statement

2.science proved the formation of mountains with demonstrations and witnesses. if you didn't believe it you have to give reasons why you didn't beleive it with acceptible reasons.

3. mama issalla kiwwa wage oya natta pagagena dangalanna epa. mama kiwwe science walin oppu karanna bari deyal joke kiyala salakanawa newei, oppu karapu deyak naha kiyala kiyana ewun jokerla kiyala.
ithi rahath weema nivana, god existence wage dewal vidyawen oppu karala nahane. ewa gana argue karanne agamika pasubimak thula. me arguement eka yanne science base eka nisa oyata science base answers denna wei. dan oyama hithala balanna oya joker kenkeda nadda kiyala

 

[MuslimLankan]

Mujaahid

Senior Member

mu moka wunath mu daagena inna arabi namata mama godak kamathi

 

[Mujaahid]

Mujaahid

Senior Member

mu moka wunath mu daagena inna arabi namata mama godak kamathi

mujaahid- fighter in the cause of allaha......

 

[MuslimLankan]

mujaahid- fighter in the cause of allaha......

i still like your arabic name machan!

Masha Allah

 

[Mujaahid]

i think still muslims bros are searching the answers throughout the internet for my questions

 

[hafizsaad]

i think still muslims bros are searching the answers throughout the internet for my questions

what the quranic verses you have posted and their explanations are scientifically accurate. Mountains do hold the tectonic plates together and also do function as buffer against earthquakes! There's plenty of research confirming this, don't let these pseudo-scientists tell you otherwise. The problem is, although mountains do all this, they are in the first place created by the movement of the tectonic plates and earthquakes. Therefor people naturally assume that since they are created by it, they cannot afterwards negate the effect. But that assumption is wrong. While it is true that Allah subhana wa ta'ala creates mountains trough tectonic movement and earthquakes; once that those mountains are big enough they do counter the effect. In that sense the analogy with the apple is also very deceiving. The two are hardly comparable. The presence of mountains, especially the older and bigger ones has a huge effect in buffering earthquakes. But don't just take my word for it, there's some links in the copy paste from my website:

The descriptions of the root of mountains and their function.
The Qur'an says:
Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs? (78:6-7)
The part saying "mountains as pegs" is not vague. It gives a clear view of their shape, and this has been confirmed by science, and there was no way to discover these things without our current scientific advancement. If we look at an early tefsir made prior to scientific discoveries it's also clear that this is not a make-fit-translation:
Tafsir ibn kathir
And here's a scientific article that confirms the shape of mountains:
Beneath the mountains

In an earlier verse we see:
And We have placed on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them, and We placed therein broad highways for them to pass through, that they may be guided. (21:31)
Here the Qur'an goes further, not only telling us the shape of mountains, but also their function. Again the early tefisr:
Tefsir Ibn Kathir
Article explaining how research confirms the function of mountains as insulators for earthquakes:
Effects of Large-Scale Surface Topography on Ground Motions

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Copy paste from that last link:

We investigate the effects of large-scale surface topography on ground motions generated by nearby faulting. We show a specific example studying the effect of the San Gabriel Mountains, which are bounded by the Mojave segment of the San Andreas fault on the north and by the Los Angeles Basin on the south. By simulating a Mw 7.5 earthquake on the Mojave segment of the San Andreas fault, we show that the San Gabriel Mountains act as a natural seismic insulator for metropolitan Los Angeles. The topography of the mountains scatters the surface waves generated by the rupture on the San Andreas fault, leading to less-efficient excitation of basin-edge generated waves and natural resonances within the Los Angeles Basin.
The effect of the mountains reduces the peak amplitude of ground velocity for some regions in the basin by as much as 50% in the frequency band up to 0.5 Hz.
These results suggest that, depending on the relative location of faulting and the nearby large-scale topography, the topography can shield some areas from ground shaking.
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i aspect rational reply from you side.

 

[Wal Bada]

Hafisaad, Then why on earth Pakistani towns with mountains are torn apart by earthquakes?

 

[AncientGlory]

The problem is, although mountains do all this, they are in the first place created by the movement of the tectonic plates and earthquakes

The real problem is that quran says mountains were created by Allah. But you yourself agrees that they were created by the movement of tectonic plates.

The descriptions of the root of mountains and their function.
The Qur'an says:
Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs? (78:6-7)
The part saying "mountains as pegs" is not vague. It gives a clear view of their shape, and this has been confirmed by science, and there was no way to discover these things without our current scientific advancement. If we look at an early tefsir made prior to scientific discoveries it's also clear that this is not a make-fit-translation:
Tafsir ibn kathir
And here's a scientific article that confirms the shape of mountains:
Beneath the mountains
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To state that mountains are peg shaped(i.e. pointy in this case) one does not need any scientific evidence. When you look at a mountain, you can see what shape it is. However link you provided (Tafsir ibn kathir) suggests that the "peg" is rather used to explain that mountains hold the earth together, (i.e 'pegs' used to describe the functionality of the mountains)

The scientific article you provided speaks of the roots of the mountain, which has nothing to do with it's peg shape. The author is explaining that mountains have buoyant roots to give it the required buoyant thrust (Archimedi's principle). Please elaborate the relation between the article and the shape of a mountain. Again what need to be emphasized is, no scientific knowledge is necessary to determine the shape of a mountain.

Article explaining how research confirms the function of mountains as insulators for earthquakes:
Effects of Large-Scale Surface Topography on Ground Motions

A true claim.

But not direct answers to original questions. Thread starter asked two questions.

(1) Quran claims Allah created mountains. But we(including you) know that mountains are created by the movement of tectonic plates. What do you have to say about that?

(2) Allah says that mountains were created for the sole purpose of protecting earth from earthquakes. While mountains may act as insulators, we can see plenty of earthquakes happening. So what happened? Allah's plan not working?
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[AncientGlory]

muslims are believe that the so called god allah made the whole creation without any example, but ????

see this few quranic words

21:30
Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

21:31

And We placed within the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with them, and We made therein [mountain] passes [as] roads that they might be guided.


just two verses there are more


did god create the whole thing with the collaboration of angels or quran is grammatically wrong????

I see that so far this question has been ignored. My guess is language card will be used when answering this one..

 

[Mujaahid]

what the quranic verses you have posted and their explanations are scientifically accurate. Mountains do hold the tectonic plates together and also do function as buffer against earthquakes! There's plenty of research confirming this, don't let these pseudo-scientists tell you otherwise. The problem is, although mountains do all this, they are in the first place created by the movement of the tectonic plates and earthquakes. Therefor people naturally assume that since they are created by it, they cannot afterwards negate the effect. But that assumption is wrong. While it is true that Allah subhana wa ta'ala creates mountains trough tectonic movement and earthquakes; once that those mountains are big enough they do counter the effect. In that sense the analogy with the apple is also very deceiving. The two are hardly comparable. The presence of mountains, especially the older and bigger ones has a huge effect in buffering earthquakes. But don't just take my word for it, there's some links in the copy paste from my website:

The descriptions of the root of mountains and their function.
The Qur'an says:
Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs? (78:6-7)
The part saying "mountains as pegs" is not vague. It gives a clear view of their shape, and this has been confirmed by science, and there was no way to discover these things without our current scientific advancement. If we look at an early tefsir made prior to scientific discoveries it's also clear that this is not a make-fit-translation:
Tafsir ibn kathir
And here's a scientific article that confirms the shape of mountains:
Beneath the mountains

In an earlier verse we see:
And We have placed on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them, and We placed therein broad highways for them to pass through, that they may be guided. (21:31)
Here the Qur'an goes further, not only telling us the shape of mountains, but also their function. Again the early tefisr:
Tefsir Ibn Kathir
Article explaining how research confirms the function of mountains as insulators for earthquakes:
Effects of Large-Scale Surface Topography on Ground Motions

​

Copy paste from that last link:

We investigate the effects of large-scale surface topography on ground motions generated by nearby faulting. We show a specific example studying the effect of the San Gabriel Mountains, which are bounded by the Mojave segment of the San Andreas fault on the north and by the Los Angeles Basin on the south. By simulating a Mw 7.5 earthquake on the Mojave segment of the San Andreas fault, we show that the San Gabriel Mountains act as a natural seismic insulator for metropolitan Los Angeles. The topography of the mountains scatters the surface waves generated by the rupture on the San Andreas fault, leading to less-efficient excitation of basin-edge generated waves and natural resonances within the Los Angeles Basin.
The effect of the mountains reduces the peak amplitude of ground velocity for some regions in the basin by as much as 50% in the frequency band up to 0.5 Hz.
These results suggest that, depending on the relative location of faulting and the nearby large-scale topography, the topography can shield some areas from ground shaking.
​

i aspect rational reply from you side.

thankx for the reply hafizsaad and i thought our muslim members asked help from pakees to answer this

ok lets get inhto your points

"people naturally assume that since they are created by it, they cannot afterwards negate the effect. But that assumption is wrong. While it is true that Allah subhana wa ta'ala creates mountains trough tectonic movement and earthquakes"

you assume that the assumptin is wrong. and you said that allah creates mountain through tectonic movement.

(Quran- 21:31): And We have set on earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them.

>>>>>>this verse said that mountains are firmly set to the earth. how extend this word adopt with you statement??. how you exactly say that allah made the mountains by tectonic movement and earth quakes????
the answer is bcoz science proved it. but what if science tell other thing tomorrow??????? that can be happen with the development of the technology

>>>>>to form a mountains by tectonic plates it takes nearly millions of time according to the science ref:

http://www.mountainnature.com/geology/platetectonics.htm

but koran says it is 4 days to firm mountains on the earth. another contradiction??? earth quakes and tectonic movements in four days??


>>>> also if we consider the age of mountains are not same at all.that can be found by the layer analyzing of the mountains ref:

http://www.chacha.com/question/how-do-you-determine-the-age-of-a-mountain

but according to the koran all the mountains are established in the earth within four days. another contradiction

 

[Mujaahid]

The descriptions of the root of mountains and their function.
The Qur'an says:
Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs? (78:6-7)
The part saying "mountains as pegs" is not vague. It gives a clear view of their shape, and this has been confirmed by science, and there was no way to discover these things without our current scientific advancement.
​

(Quran-16:15): And he has cast the earth firm mountains lest it shake with you…

as we all know it is not need a big scientific knowledge to understand that to fix something to the earth it should be like a peg. i called it common sense i don't know what muslims say to that.

And We have placed on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them, and We placed therein broad highways for them to pass through, that they may be guided. (21:31)
Here the Qur'an goes further, not only telling us the shape of mountains, but also their function. Again the early tefisr:
Tefsir Ibn Kathir
Article explaining how research confirms the function of mountains as insulators for earthquakes:
Effects of Large-Scale Surface Topography on Ground Motions

​

ok lets come to the next scientific explanation in quran

And We have placed on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them, and We placed therein broad highways for them to pass through, that they may be guided

and the scientific research:

"We show a specific example studying the effect of the San Gabriel Mountains, which are bounded by the Mojave segment of the San Andreas fault on the north and by the Los Angeles Basin on the south"

this explained that the research explained about the san gabriel mountains but it is not still confirm for the all the mountains in the world


The effect of the mountains reduces the peak amplitude of ground velocity for some regions in the basin by as much as 50% in the frequency band up to 0.5 Hz.
These results suggest that, depending on the relative location of faulting and the nearby large-scale topography, the topography can shield some areas from ground shaking

see the blue words, it tells that 50% reduction of amplitude and some areas of the ground. so if quran says that mountains are act like insulator for earth quakes why it is 50% and some areas??????

hope we have given the rational answers