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Explaining Buddhism with Science...
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Hey, I'm not trying to create a problem here. But I have seen a lot posts on this website which include a lot of hatred to other human being.
I mean even monks are aggravating the war here in our country. And Buddhist people support it to. But personally I find it really funny that some people post things which support the war and go to other threads and add buddhism posts. Isn't that hypocritical??
I mean in Buddhism it is said that we as Buddhist should show Maithree/Compassion to all beings. This includes our enemies. So that would include the LTTE. I know that this is hard because people share a common hatred toward terrorists. But the people who posts Buddhist information should have this quality of maithree or else it would seem like wadi bana.
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A person who lives by Dhamma is protected by Dhamma.
I mean even monks are aggravating the war here in our country. And Buddhist people support it to. But personally I find it really funny that some people post things which support the war and go to other threads and add buddhism posts. Isn't that hypocritical??
I mean in Buddhism it is said that we as Buddhist should show Maithree/Compassion to all beings. This includes our enemies. So that would include the LTTE. I know that this is hard because people share a common hatred toward terrorists. But the people who posts Buddhist information should have this quality of maithree or else it would seem like wadi bana.
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A person who lives by Dhamma is protected by Dhamma.
chanaka_1987 said:
Dear friends,
I was hoping not to post in this issue further. But I feel we should think more along the post by chanaka_1987. These are my personal opinions.
In my belief behavior he criticizes is not always because of 'hypocrisy' (at least most of the times). The comments we see on the forum are frank opinions people have.
Most of us are carried away by emotions/ passions; and the way we think behave/think changes accordingly.
Unfortunately we rarely notice this erratic and impermanent (Anithya) nature of our thoughts unless we maintain proper 'mindfulness' (sathi / sihiya).
All of us are prone to this behavior till we develop Shraddha; and start pursuing clear goals for spiritual development. It's time we start understanding ourselves...
Theruwan saranai!
kalyanamithra said:
That's absolutely correct...But I'm not saying that all buddhists should post things related to peace and harmony. I'm just saying that the ones who post information about Buddhism should not post war propaganda. This is no way a insult to you, as I find that you are doing a very valuable thing here.
Dear Chanaka_1987,chanaka_1987 said:
Aim of my post was to highlight the way our thoughts changes.
e.g. one may post something cool on social harmony/ Dhamma; later on he/she might come across an article on war/ terror and can give in to the feelings...
I do not think that we should say 'people posting about Buddhism should not post war propaganda'. It's good what you wish happens
But I do not think it will ever... why? ... because of erratic ways our untamed minds work.. So there's no point of suggesting the impossible or getting disturbed by behavior of 'others like us'So we should use the very important observation you've made to realize that one's mind is like 'a monkey jumping from branch to branch in a forest' (See how appropriate this simile to explain our mind that jump on each input we get from senses; It was one used by Sammasambuddha Gautama).
I think we should also make this an opportunity to see the need of taming that 'monkey'... We can only correct ourselves and hope that others will follow suit.. Thanks for highlighting the observation..
Theruwan saranai!
kalyanamithra said:Dear Chanaka_1987,
Aim of my post was to highlight the way our thoughts changes.
e.g. one may post something cool on social harmony/ Dhamma; later on he/she might come across an article on war/ terror and can give in to the feelings...
I do not think that we should say 'people posting about Buddhism should not post war propaganda'. It's good what you wish happens
So we should use the very important observation you've made to realize that one's mind is like 'a monkey jumping from branch to branch in a forest' (See how appropriate this simile to explain our mind that jump on each input we get from senses; It was one used by Sammasambuddha Gautama).
I think we should also make this an opportunity to see the need of taming that 'monkey'... We can only correct ourselves and hope that others will follow suit.. Thanks for highlighting the observation..
Theruwan saranai!
I'm speechless. You have a gift. Glad to see you are using it for sake of the people. As a buddhist myself I find great truth in what you say. Thank you.
Dear friend,chanaka_1987 said:
I am just a beginer of Dhamma; trying to pursue Dhamma like many other users of this forum.
It's slightly over one year since I was shows what True Buddhism is; since I realized how wrong I was about Buddhism. Like many others I know of, I am finding Dhamma amazing and inspiring every inch I advance in the Path.
As we know Bhikkhu Shrawakas in Buddha Shashana are like Swans carrying no weight than that of the feathers (Sivuru & Pathra) in their swift way to Nibbana. Lay Shrawakas are like Peacocks: colorful, bulky (with lot of Attachments), and trying to pursue the same Path in their slow phase.
As lay Shrawakas of Sammasambuddha Gautama, we should try in our capability, in our slow pace, to follow the Path.
At the same time we should try in our capability to show others what Dhamma is; because if it hadn't been for Kalyanamithras I won't be writing this post...
As you may agree, we are extremely fortunate to be born in a time of revival like this...
Its my pleasure if anyone reading this thread would feel the need for change like I did about an year ago...
Theruwan saranai!
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Personally I think that the more science and technology develops the more it shows that Buddhism is true. In the end it'll just show us that because of ignorance we had to wait till the development of science and technology to start believing in Buddhism.
Hey and I have some small problems. It is said that in the future people will become more corrupted and the life expectancy would drop to 10 years so less. After that the world will end. In that case would everyone attain nibbana? since they have no human world to be reborn?
And do you believe that there is balance in this universe between good and evil? Because I always thought that the reason for good things to happen to good people and bad things to happen to bad people is this balance. And If such a balance exist, does it mean that everytime we do some good something bad should also happen to keep the balance?
Hey and I have some small problems. It is said that in the future people will become more corrupted and the life expectancy would drop to 10 years so less. After that the world will end. In that case would everyone attain nibbana? since they have no human world to be reborn?
And do you believe that there is balance in this universe between good and evil? Because I always thought that the reason for good things to happen to good people and bad things to happen to bad people is this balance. And If such a balance exist, does it mean that everytime we do some good something bad should also happen to keep the balance?
Dear friend,
Becuase everything in Sansara is for existence (not for stopping). One can escape only by following the Noble Eightfold Path.
This question is not relevant; because it's Loka Vishaya which we should not dwell on it for long; I can only cite from Dhamma; I am doing even this only because it's asked for...
There is a clue to this in Agganna Sutta of Digha Nikaya (there may be other clues which I am not aware of) although that Sutta was disclosed by the Buddha with a different intent (i.e. it was disclosed to highlight that whole structure of the society is there because of Dhamma).
[You can find a Deshana on the Sutta by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero at http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/166_Agganna_sutta.mp3 ]
Beings exist the period in what known as Abhassara Brahma Loka; with the mechanism for dependent origination (i.e. Paticca Samuppada) intact (so they want end the Sansara...). The Sansara continues in other wolds as they are formed again.
You may have seen people citing Agganna Sutta to show how well it matches with the theories scientists have come with. We should not fall pray for these things. Why? Because such discussions are not relevant to our Path to Nibbana...
I will try to explain a bit how our actions (Karma) bring forth results (Vipaka)
When we do good deeds while having the clingings (Note: this does not happen to Rahathan wahanse because they are free of clingings) our consciousness (Vinnana - think of it as Mind for simplicity) grows accordingly. This is called Punnya (meritorious) abhisankara. The being will have to undrego (correct word: vedaniya - vindavanna) the good results (vipaka) in the same life; in the next life or any life till attainment of Nibbana.
Similarly Apunny Abhisankara results when one does bad deeds. They will bring bad results. Moreover Anenja Abhisankara results when one is in Jhana (because mind is focussed on something; what done by the mind while in the Jhana is not neither good or bad). It too will produce relavant results in due course.
Another thing we should know is that a person doing good may get bad returns (from old Karma); and person doing bad may get good returns (from old Karma). This is because of what the being may have done in the long Samsaraic existence.
One should read Maha Dhamma Samadana Sutta of Majjima Nikaya to be clearer on it. A Deshna on it by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero is found at http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/Mp3/Maha_Dhamma_Samadana_Sutta.mp3
The Sutta explains four Dhamma Samadana. We should keep in mind that: a person should not give up good deeds even if he get bad returns due to things he/she may have done in the past.
But everything is not Athitha (past) Kamma. Suppose person 'A' stabs person 'B'; it's not necessarily past Kamma of 'B'. But it is certainly a bad Kamma done by 'A'; 'A' will get returns unless he manages to follow a Path that nullifies that Kamma Vipaka.
Dear friend, there's no balance of good and evil. What we get is what we have done. The best thing is the ability one has to change it. This fact it self rationalizes following Dhamma.
It's like this; a person not aware of Dhamma is mostly controlled by Kamma. Following Dhamma gradually nullifies Karma Vipaka. It is because the person is doing another great Kamma: the Noble Eightfold Path! it's return is complete elimination of certain Kamma Vipaka (in different levels). For example a person attaining Sothapathi state will have all Kamma that gives returns in Niraya (hell) nullified; that's why the person become free from birth in Niraya.
Kamma Sutta (please find the Deshana by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnananananda Thero at http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/080_Kamma_Sutta.mp3 ) gives more insight to this.
In general Samsaraic existence is Dhukkha (suffering). A being tends to spend most of its existence in worlds of suffering. And what we expereice as Sukha (e.g. pleasures, happiness) becomes Dukkha at some point of time, because of impermanence (Anithya nature). Another important point is that there's nothing we can consider as self (Athma). In other words there is noting we can control forever as oneself! Therefore Anithya, Dhukkha, Anathma characterizes existence of any being (whether in hell, heaven...).
That's why one should think about ending this existence; and start developing oneself according to the Path.
We have to keep on learning Dhamma (called: Sadhdharma Shrawanaya); keep on maintaining our thinking accordingly (called: Yoniso Manasikara); and keep on adopting them to what we practice (called: Dhammanudamma Patipada). Path to Nibbana is causal (see Upanisa Sutta); and it will gradually grow in us. So what we have to do it start; and keep to the path.
As we develop in Dhamma we will realize the Truth; and the questions we have will be no longer there. Hope my post addresses your concerns at least partially...
Theruwan saranai!
No, people will not automatically attain Nibbana at the end of world.chanaka_1987 said:
Becuase everything in Sansara is for existence (not for stopping). One can escape only by following the Noble Eightfold Path.This question is not relevant; because it's Loka Vishaya which we should not dwell on it for long; I can only cite from Dhamma; I am doing even this only because it's asked for...
There is a clue to this in Agganna Sutta of Digha Nikaya (there may be other clues which I am not aware of) although that Sutta was disclosed by the Buddha with a different intent (i.e. it was disclosed to highlight that whole structure of the society is there because of Dhamma).
[You can find a Deshana on the Sutta by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero at http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/166_Agganna_sutta.mp3 ]
Beings exist the period in what known as Abhassara Brahma Loka; with the mechanism for dependent origination (i.e. Paticca Samuppada) intact (so they want end the Sansara...). The Sansara continues in other wolds as they are formed again.
You may have seen people citing Agganna Sutta to show how well it matches with the theories scientists have come with. We should not fall pray for these things. Why? Because such discussions are not relevant to our Path to Nibbana...
That's not Buddhist thinking. There's no balance like that.chanaka_1987 said:
I will try to explain a bit how our actions (Karma) bring forth results (Vipaka)
When we do good deeds while having the clingings (Note: this does not happen to Rahathan wahanse because they are free of clingings) our consciousness (Vinnana - think of it as Mind for simplicity) grows accordingly. This is called Punnya (meritorious) abhisankara. The being will have to undrego (correct word: vedaniya - vindavanna) the good results (vipaka) in the same life; in the next life or any life till attainment of Nibbana.
Similarly Apunny Abhisankara results when one does bad deeds. They will bring bad results. Moreover Anenja Abhisankara results when one is in Jhana (because mind is focussed on something; what done by the mind while in the Jhana is not neither good or bad). It too will produce relavant results in due course.
Another thing we should know is that a person doing good may get bad returns (from old Karma); and person doing bad may get good returns (from old Karma). This is because of what the being may have done in the long Samsaraic existence.
One should read Maha Dhamma Samadana Sutta of Majjima Nikaya to be clearer on it. A Deshna on it by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero is found at http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/Mp3/Maha_Dhamma_Samadana_Sutta.mp3
The Sutta explains four Dhamma Samadana. We should keep in mind that: a person should not give up good deeds even if he get bad returns due to things he/she may have done in the past.
But everything is not Athitha (past) Kamma. Suppose person 'A' stabs person 'B'; it's not necessarily past Kamma of 'B'. But it is certainly a bad Kamma done by 'A'; 'A' will get returns unless he manages to follow a Path that nullifies that Kamma Vipaka.
Dear friend, there's no balance of good and evil. What we get is what we have done. The best thing is the ability one has to change it. This fact it self rationalizes following Dhamma.
It's like this; a person not aware of Dhamma is mostly controlled by Kamma. Following Dhamma gradually nullifies Karma Vipaka. It is because the person is doing another great Kamma: the Noble Eightfold Path! it's return is complete elimination of certain Kamma Vipaka (in different levels). For example a person attaining Sothapathi state will have all Kamma that gives returns in Niraya (hell) nullified; that's why the person become free from birth in Niraya.
Kamma Sutta (please find the Deshana by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnananananda Thero at http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/080_Kamma_Sutta.mp3 ) gives more insight to this.
In general Samsaraic existence is Dhukkha (suffering). A being tends to spend most of its existence in worlds of suffering. And what we expereice as Sukha (e.g. pleasures, happiness) becomes Dukkha at some point of time, because of impermanence (Anithya nature). Another important point is that there's nothing we can consider as self (Athma). In other words there is noting we can control forever as oneself! Therefore Anithya, Dhukkha, Anathma characterizes existence of any being (whether in hell, heaven...).
That's why one should think about ending this existence; and start developing oneself according to the Path.
We have to keep on learning Dhamma (called: Sadhdharma Shrawanaya); keep on maintaining our thinking accordingly (called: Yoniso Manasikara); and keep on adopting them to what we practice (called: Dhammanudamma Patipada). Path to Nibbana is causal (see Upanisa Sutta); and it will gradually grow in us. So what we have to do it start; and keep to the path.
As we develop in Dhamma we will realize the Truth; and the questions we have will be no longer there. Hope my post addresses your concerns at least partially...
Theruwan saranai!
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kalyanamithra said:Dear friend,
No, people will not automatically attain Nibbana at the end of world.
This question is not relevant; because it's Loka Vishaya which we should not dwell on it for long; I can only cite from Dhamma; I am doing even this only because it's asked for...
There is a clue to this in Agganna Sutta of Digha Nikaya (there may be other clues which I am not aware of) although that Sutta was disclosed by the Buddha with a different intent (i.e. it was disclosed to highlight that whole structure of the society is there because of Dhamma).
[You can find a Deshana on the Sutta by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero at http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/166_Agganna_sutta.mp3 ]
Beings exist the period in what known as Abhassara Brahma Loka; with the mechanism for dependent origination (i.e. Paticca Samuppada) intact (so they want end the Sansara...). The Sansara continues in other wolds as they are formed again.
You may have seen people citing Agganna Sutta to show how well it matches with the theories scientists have come with. We should not fall pray for these things. Why? Because such discussions are not relevant to our Path to Nibbana...
That's not Buddhist thinking. There's no balance like that.
I will try to explain a bit how our actions (Karma) bring forth results (Vipaka)
When we do good deeds while having the clingings (Note: this does not happen to Rahathan wahanse because they are free of clingings) our consciousness (Vinnana - think of it as Mind for simplicity) grows accordingly. This is called Punnya (meritorious) abhisankara. The being will have to undrego (correct word: vedaniya - vindavanna) the good results (vipaka) in the same life; in the next life or any life till attainment of Nibbana.
Similarly Apunny Abhisankara results when one does bad deeds. They will bring bad results. Moreover Anenja Abhisankara results when one is in Jhana (because mind is focussed on something; what done by the mind while in the Jhana is not neither good or bad). It too will produce relavant results in due course.
Another thing we should know is that a person doing good may get bad returns (from old Karma); and person doing bad may get good returns (from old Karma). This is because of what the being may have done in the long Samsaraic existence.
One should read Maha Dhamma Samadana Sutta of Majjima Nikaya to be clearer on it. A Deshna on it by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero is found at http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/Mp3/Maha_Dhamma_Samadana_Sutta.mp3
The Sutta explains four Dhamma Samadana. We should keep in mind that: a person should not give up good deeds even if he get bad returns due to things he/she may have done in the past.
But everything is not Athitha (past) Kamma. Suppose person 'A' stabs person 'B'; it's not necessarily past Kamma of 'B'. But it is certainly a bad Kamma done by 'A'; 'A' will get returns unless he manages to follow a Path that nullifies that Kamma Vipaka.
Dear friend, there's no balance of good and evil. What we get is what we have done. The best thing is the ability one has to change it. This fact it self rationalizes following Dhamma.
It's like this; a person not aware of Dhamma is mostly controlled by Kamma. Following Dhamma gradually nullifies Karma Vipaka. It is because the person is doing another great Kamma: the Noble Eightfold Path! it's return is complete elimination of certain Kamma Vipaka (in different levels). For example a person attaining Sothapathi state will have all Kamma that gives returns in Niraya (hell) nullified; that's why the person become free from birth in Niraya.
Kamma Sutta (please find the Deshana by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnananananda Thero at http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/080_Kamma_Sutta.mp3 ) gives more insight to this.
In general Samsaraic existence is Dhukkha (suffering). A being tends to spend most of its existence in worlds of suffering. And what we expereice as Sukha (e.g. pleasures, happiness) becomes Dukkha at some point of time, because of impermanence (Anithya nature). Another important point is that there's nothing we can consider as self (Athma). In other words there is noting we can control forever as oneself! Therefore Anithya, Dhukkha, Anathma characterizes existence of any being (whether in hell, heaven...).
That's why one should think about ending this existence; and start developing oneself according to the Path.
We have to keep on learning Dhamma (called: Sadhdharma Shrawanaya); keep on maintaining our thinking accordingly (called: Yoniso Manasikara); and keep on adopting them to what we practice (called: Dhammanudamma Patipada). Path to Nibbana is causal (see Upanisa Sutta); and it will gradually grow in us. So what we have to do it start; and keep to the path.
As we develop in Dhamma we will realize the Truth; and the questions we have will be no longer there. Hope my post addresses your concerns at least partially...
Theruwan saranai!
Thank you
kimmco_kumara said:Elakiri keep it up.
Let's keep on practicing Dhamma; discussing Dhamma (there's virtually no gain in discussing on this topic... )
http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90219
Time is running out... so we better focus on practicing Dhamma...
Theruwan saranai!
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I have a small problem. Is everything around us real?? Or is it just a illusion of the mind?? do the people we see each and everyday actually exist materialistically?? or are they just illusion as well??
I'm confused... but please don't tell me that I'm not ready to understand..even if my mind is not developed enough I'd like to know..
I'm confused... but please don't tell me that I'm not ready to understand..even if my mind is not developed enough I'd like to know..
chanaka_1987 said:
I have a problem with your signature, what do you mean by " everything happens for a reason?? there is a pre-determined gods Plan and there is a reason.
Buddha stressed Uncertinity as one key concept in his teachings right ?? so how can there be a reason behind everything. ????
ex-muslim Ahmed said:
do u believe in karma?? i'm talking about the consequences of karma..the reactions of the actions of our past lives..i knw that all things are not predetermined but most of them are..but if you actually think about everything has a reason behind it..the reason we don't usually see..now don't ask me to find the reasons as examples..
and really why are you worried about my signature?...when your username is clearly offensive to Islam..I was asking a question which I had a doubt on..
and really don't be so insulting toward other religions..everyone has their own opinions..and you should respect them no matter how wrong or right they are..I believe Lord Buddha stressed on this as well..
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