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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mononoke" data-source="post: 5590389" data-attributes="member: 238323">I followed up on all the claims Harun Yahya makes on <a href="http://us2.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/EDCRFV/productId/17191/WHAT_DARWINISTS_SAID,_WHAT_HAPPENED_THEN" target="_blank">this</a> page. It wasn't surprising to find that the article was at the very least misleading and definitely pointless. What was the point of it, scientist disagree about how evolution exactly happened, or that scientists makes blunder which other scientists correct? None of these say anything about the validity of evolution. Scientists referred to in this article all believe in the Darwinian Synthesis. What ever problems they have, are with the exact details of how 5 billion years of evolution happened and not with the Darwinian process as a whole.What this website fails to announce is the mountain of corroborating <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent" target="_blank">evidence for Natural Selection</a> Some of those statements are true the Archeaoraptor is clearly a fake, so was the Nebraska man. While others were distortions of truth at best, and outright lies at worst. And some statements were empty platitudes that makes no sense what so ever. Firstly, the format of the article is misleading. Statements are presented under the theme 'they said' and responses as 'what happened'. Giving the impression that 'they', the scientific community as a whole ,made a statement which was debunked by some evidence later on. however, if one scrutinizes these statements the 'they' are for the most part individuals while 'what happened' is only an opinion of an individual. Most of these examples are not evidence of any kind, but examples of scientific disputes. As i said earlier people argue, that is how we arrive at resolutions. It is fraudulent to take one side of an unresolved and ambiguous argument and claim that as unequivocal fact. Furthermore, 'they' refers to the plural while persons like Liang Bua are singular. This leads to the tantalizing conclusion that, Adnan Oktar, the owner of Harun Yahya, on top of being a<a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/artsNews/idUSL0992091620080509?sp=true" target="_blank"> convicted felon</a>, does not understand basic grammar.1)WTF, so two scientists disagree. that is what people do, big deal. This doesn't show any thing. If you are interested in finding out what '<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junk_DNA" target="_blank">Junk DNA</a>' just follow the link. 2)This is another piece of misinformation <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1469964/Neanderthal-Man-never-walked-in-northern-Europe.html" target="_blank">here </a>is the original article. What was going on was Professor Reiner Protsch von Zietenhad made a dubious claim about one particular Neanderthal fossil and Oxford University had called him out. what this doesn't prove is that Neanderthals didn't exist, there are hundreds of fossils of them, or that they never coexisted with humans, Erik Trinkaus himself has found 28,000 year old Neanderthal. He also consequently argues that Neanderthals and humans interbred as well. No wonder some of us are ugly. In summation, another meaningless blurb.3)The conclusion drawn here is a lie. The scientific community is bitterly divided on this fossil. Laing et al, maintain that this is a pigmy human being. Pigmyfication or microcephaly is when a species is forced to shrink in size due to evolutionary forces, this is well documented in elephants and mammoth. Another group maintains that the fossil is a deformed human. the third <a href="http://www.radicalanthropologygroup.org/class_text_022.pdf" target="_blank">group says that this is an entirely different spiece.</a>4)This <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/patterson.html" target="_blank">link</a> deals with the Horse issue much better than I can.5) Once again we see dusinformation. The humerofemoral ratio, or length of humerus divided by length of femur, is 84.6 for Lucy, compared to 71.8 for humans, and 97.8 and 101.6 for the two species of chimpanzee.  In other words, humans have much shorter arms compared to their legs than chimpanzees do, and Lucy falls roughly in the middle.I can go on, but whats the point. I'm going to leave things as it is with a wonderful picture of Adnan Oktar, author of Harun Yahya.<img src="http://adnanoktar.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/adno.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></blockquote>

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