Healing Service - (Suva kiriimee seevaava)

[Nash_Node]

Nash_Node ---- Looks around and raises his eye brow and comment

"whooaa.. man, is this damn fight is still going on?"

Or.. let's be gentleman and call it a "debate" than a "fight"...in all good moral sense.. between the mystic and the scientific.


However, reading all (what was cross fired between Wal bada, Sri lion and the Vishwakarma dark arts master) .. I feel kind of a great already ! actually the headache I already had from the morning cured it self and it turned it self into brain tumor

why don't you three guys join up and start an "Elakiri Sickening Service"



Just kidding mates.....

I am actually reading this thread with quite an interest and I do accept I sometime have my tongue in cheek and itch to put off an absolutely loonatic reply to kick off a big fight. (you know I am always a go lucky and trigger happy easter bunny) ...but with utter desperate control... I READ ON !

 

[vishva8kumara]

I want evidence from placebo controlled double blind randomized trials. Other sources are are hoax.

I wonder if you know the meaning of this, .
Placebo control is giving false medicine to patients (despite how desperate they want to be healed) just to experiment, which is a unique feature of Alopathic Medicine.
Double Blind means both the doctor and patient does not know if it is placebo or not.
Randomization is a statistical approach to select people independent of their age, religion (telephone number ) etc...

I'm so sorry to say that it will be difficult for me to mock the healing process to give the placebo. Pranic Healing is a procedure not a pill!

Can you do Placebo test for acupuncture???

Again the Double Blind. Even if we do the placebo with some false healers, How can I be double blind myself, because the healer should know if he is doing it or notdoing it...

Only Randomization is possible!

That's wht I doubt if you really understand what you are telling, .

Once more================================

Now you see that Pranic Healinh (PH) is also grouped in same category as Ayurveda. You fellows don't fall in to a special category, and no one cares to put you there when regarding as alternate methods of healing. And I have said that all complementary medicine systems needs governing bodies. Point still stands.

You have grouped various medical techniques in to Alternative and Complementary and so on. So, you expect all the medical techniques of one group to have same features!

First the medical techniques are catogorized according to simillarities they have. But still they have diferences, that is why there are still different techniques; right. So, all the techniques in one group does not have same procedures and beliefs.

Again I have to say that this food thing does not come under Pranic Healing.

In Ayurveda, a food is a medicine, yes. But for us, a food is a food. If you are taking a food that is not good, I could have said that something else is better than this and good for you... That is not prescribing. You cannot prescribe a food!

The grouping of medical procedures as Mainstram, Alternative and Complementary are based on how a patient should select a medical technique.

* A Mainstram technique is a proven and widely used technique that can help to solve a problem itself alone.
Eg: Allopathy, Ayurvedha
* An Alternative technique is also a technique that can solve a problem only by itself alone, but probably not widely used.
Eg: Acupuncture
* A Complementry technique can be used alongside with a Mainstram or Alternative technique to help solving a problem. But a Complementry technique is not necessorily meant to solve a problem itself alone.
Eg: Reiki, Pranic Healing, Naturopathy, Ath beheth...

Now, this grouping is not based on hard and fast rules. In Sri Lanka Ayurvedha can be considered as Mainstram. But in some other country where there are no government Ayurvedha hospitals Ayurvedha may be considered as Complementry.

See... You don't know what you are talking about!

Want me to tell more??? ???

 

[vishva8kumara]

Sometimes the Complementary technique can solve the problem by itself alone. (one level up)

And sometimes an alternative technique is used alongside with a mainstram technique, or maybe fails to solve the problem by itself alone. (One level down)

Therefor the boundry between these three groups is not a thin straight line. But the differentiations I have given still stands to identify between these three categories...

 

[sachii]

I'm here, wondering why I should answer these questions... It was my idea to take this online, so many people can benefit.

I guess first we should calm down the situation, answering your common questions. I'll make a FAQ...

And once we have organized and settled down everything, We will publish our Qualifications, Addresses, Telephone numbers, etc... to you... Then we may be able to develop the credibility.

First we will address the credibility issue.

kattiyata wadak denna balagena avilla tiyenne. thawath trick ekak.. agam pathurawana aya meheth innawada uhhhhhhh

 

[Wal Bada]

I wonder if you know the meaning of this, .
Placebo control is giving false medicine to patients (despite how desperate they want to be healed) just to experiment, which is a unique feature of Alopathic Medicine.

Double Blind means both the doctor and patient does not know if it is placebo or not.

Randomization is a statistical approach to select people independent of their age, religion (telephone number ) etc...

Ha! Ha! shows the size of your small brain.
Pacebo does not mean giving no drugs to the patient.
Ex:
Disease X has medicines A, B, and C which are well established. Someone says drug D is also effective. Now this warrants a randomized, double blind placebo controlled trial.

You select 1000 patients and divide them randomly to 500 each, group 1 & 2.

- All 1000 patients will receive drugs A, B & C
- 500 will receive D
- 500 will receive placebo
- Only selected few individual knows who are the patients on D (which is well documented)

Now in which part patients are deprived of Medical care?

Better learn these things first. Then come back to discussion.

 

[Wal Bada]

I'm so sorry to say that it will be difficult for me to mock the healing process to give the placebo. Pranic Healing is a procedure not a pill!

Once again lacks the basic comprehension.

Now the placebo group will be patients who are receving traditional medical care only. Study group will be ones who are receiving PH with or without traditional care.

You are pathetic indeed. You seems to be unaware of even ABC about clinical trials.

 

[Wal Bada]

You have grouped various medical techniques in to Alternative and Complementary and so on. So, you expect all the medical techniques of one group to have same features!

No. I have not grouped them. They are grouped like them by editors of elite journals who have better knowledge about medical systems than you or me.

 

[Wal Bada]

Again I have to say that this food thing does not come under Pranic Healing.

We do not prescribe any physical medicine (other than recommending certain foods or herbs) and we take no responsibility of the patient.

I beg to differ!

 

[Wal Bada]

In Ayurveda, a food is a medicine, yes. But for us, a food is a food. If you are taking a food that is not good, I could have said that something else is better than this and good for you... That is not prescribing. You cannot prescribe a food!

Once again small mind. As an allopathic doctor I cannot most of the times. But there are times I can do it.
Ex.
Lactose free food in Lactose intolerance
Fructose free food in fructosemia
Gluten free diet in Celiac disease


Then, Ayurvedic doctor will prescribe a diet!! If you don;t beleive me, ask one of them.

 

[Wal Bada]

* A Mainstram technique is a proven and widely used technique that can help to solve a problem itself alone.
Eg: Allopathy, Ayurvedha
* An Alternative technique is also a technique that can solve a problem only by itself alone, but probably not widely used.
Eg: Acupuncture
* A Complementry technique can be used alongside with a Mainstram or Alternative technique to help solving a problem. But a Complementry technique is not necessorily meant to solve a problem itself alone.
Eg: Reiki, Pranic Healing, Naturopathy, Ath beheth...

Your source please. Better be a eputed one or be prepared to get rubbished.

Now, this grouping is not based on hard and fast rules. In Sri Lanka Ayurvedha can be considered as Mainstram. But in some other country where there are no government Ayurvedha hospitals Ayurvedha may be considered as Complementry.

But health sector governing needs hard and fast rules. In every country, Ayurveda practitioners are registered by the traning centers, which are responsible for the governments of their countries. Pranic Healing has no such traning center which is held responsible for any of the givernments in the world. And why should not there be a giverning body for you, due to a cluttered system of classifying types of Medicine? Hilarious indeed.

 

[twisted]

kattiyata wadak denna balagena avilla tiyenne. thawath trick ekak.. agam pathurawana aya meheth innawada uhhhhhhh

wow you are so coooool

 

[~v3n0m~]

good. good. looks like still the healing thing is up..... so now who got healed ?

 

[vishva8kumara]

Your source please. Better be a eputed one or be prepared to get rubbished.

It is a verbatim translation of a part of an article I have read on a local health magazine "vaidyavaraya".
(Pranic Healers are not doctors, right...)

 

[vishva8kumara]

good. good. looks like still the healing thing is up..... so now who got healed ?

We are doing this also on some other channels and many people are getting benifits. And we also expect to expand our services. We are already on FaceBook and Skype. But we are not disclosing any specific information about patients.

The self proclaimed inteligent community of ElaKiri seems "Still Not Getting Any".

 

[vishva8kumara]

I beg to differ!

Now, Vasana and I discussed about this for a while before coming here.

Look, Vasana has written the notice and put it up (not me). She was bit more forwerd on this. The whole thing about "(other than recommending certain foods or herbs)" You know Vasana... She is bit more towards The Creft. And she has a great knowledge on Herbal Remedies. But she is still not a certified Pranic Healer...

It was Vasana who wrote the whole thing about Foods and Herbs. I know some astrologers even recommending some Foods and Herbs.

I still stand on the fact that Pranic Healing has nothing to do with any herbs or foods. We Pranic healers do not eat pork and that's all specific about food and this.

 

[vishva8kumara]

Disease X has medicines A, B, and C which are well established. Someone says drug D is also effective. Now this warrants a randomized, double blind placebo controlled trial.

You select 1000 patients and divide them randomly to 500 each, group 1 & 2.

Now, you didn't get my point...
I mean you cannot do Double blind Placebo control for pranic healing, because it is not a pill.
You either do the healing process or not do it. The healer either knows he is doing it or not doing it.
Also the patint will know if the healer is working on healing or not.
Even distant healing is not permitted without acknowleding the patient.

That is simply impossible for pranic healing.

 

[vishva8kumara]

kattiyata wadak denna balagena avilla tiyenne. thawath trick ekak.. agam pathurawana aya meheth innawada uhhhhhhh

I would like to know what made you think so.

What I have to say is NO! Look Sis, I know Vasana better than you. She is up to a religion that is very rare here in Sri Lanka, but the fastest growing religion on the world. In 2012 it will be the worlds third religion.

She or I have no intention to spread the religion. But we would just like to meet people who have simillar religious interests as we have.

This service has nothing to do with it.

 

[Wal Bada]

Now, you didn't get my point...
I mean you cannot do Double blind Placebo control for pranic healing, because it is not a pill.
You either do the healing process or not do it. The healer either knows he is doing it or not doing it.
Also the patint will know if the healer is working on healing or not.
Even distant healing is not permitted without acknowleding the patient.

That is simply impossible for pranic healing.

Once again mate, you are wrong. Double blind trials are done even with surgeris. Group A offered the surgery. Group B managed as existing guidelines.

How to incorporate a double blind trial for pranic healing? Simple. Let's say you claim that you can control diabetes.

-Select 1500 diabeted patients, who are not controolled on their current drugs
-Divide them randomly to three groups
-Measure fasting blood sugar of every patient
-Group A will be subjected to Pranic Healing, while their existing drugs not changed
-Group B's treatment is optimized using allopathic medicine
-Group C's left with the current drugs
-Measure Fasting blood sugar after the treatment
-Compare means statistically

Bingo! that's a double blind, randomized trial.

 

[sachii]

I would like to know what made you think so.

What I have to say is NO! Look Sis, I know Vasana better than you. She is up to a religion that is very rare here in Sri Lanka, but the fastest growing religion on the world. In 2012 it will be the worlds third religion.

She or I have no intention to spread the religion. But we would just like to meet people who have simillar religious interests as we have.

This service has nothing to do with it.

no no we dont need those healing method.. we have many healing way in our religion so than you very much about your kindness . bye

 

[sean myers]

ok vishwa, i have a question, what do you say about Kelum Weerasinghe, have u heard about this guy, is there any explanation in your system for what he s supposed to be doing- FYI Kalum is the famous guy these days whos said to be healing all kinds of patients through the same kind of power ???