Ideal PC for 50-65k ??

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    Hi guys, am planning to buy a new pc. Budget is around 50-65k. So pls can u all suggest me the best configuration (with makes, models, info, prices ...etc) i could buy for that money. Bcoz am not much aware of latest techs, prices and stuff, so i've no idea. Am expecting to buy following stuff, not exactly these, roughly just for an idea.

    - 2.8ghz P4 processor
    - Intel chipset MBoard (model, no idea!!)
    - 512mb or 768mb DDR2
    - Nvidia 256mb PCI eexpress VGA (model, no idea!!)
    - 160gb SATA Hard Disk
    - 4.1 Woofer
    - 15" Monitor, DVD-RW, Soundcard ....etc

    ADVANCED THANKS !!!!
     
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    RAM prices have skyrocketed, so you might like to go with just 512MB initially, and then upgrade when the prices come down. Normally, 512MB DDR2 is about Rs.7000 (Kinsgton) these days. Hopefully the motherboard you find would have 4 DDR2 slots. I bought 512MB DDR2 667 Kingston with 3 years warranty about 2 weeks ago for Rs.7500.

    Video cards that perform well are very difficult to find to go under your budget, because they are too much overpriced in Sri Lanka. You might be able to buy a nVidia 7300 for less that 10000 if you look properly. EPSI had them for 10000, so usually if PC House has them, they should cost a lot cheaper than that. No point going for a Geforce6 card (unless it is a 6600 card which might perform better than a 7300, but to tell you the truth, I haven't compared them head to head.

    Don't buy a sound card. The latest onboard sound is better than Creative Live series. I don't think you are looking at Audigy cards, are you?

    DVDRWs are about 5000 or even less these days. I recommend buying Liteon or maybe Sony. Why "maybe" is because they are actually Benq drives and very good ones (probably the best). But by default, the features of Benq drives are disabled in those Sony drives (scrambled by Sony's firmware). If you crossflash a Sony with a Benq firmware (not just flash - you have to crossflash and there are several guides out there how to do that. Just google it), you will get all the benefits of Benq drives, but will void warranty, unless you can switch back to Sony's firmware before returning it to the reseller. :D Also, Benq have bought Liteon (or they have built an alliance) so newer Liteon drives are very good. Mitech have Liteon burners.

    Latest hard drives are SATAII. Unity plaza has only Hitachi (with 2 year warranty) and Maxtor (with 1 year warranty). Hitachi drives are fast, but I went with Maxtor because they are superior to all the other drives when multitasking (multiple program launches at the same time etc.) 160GB should be less than Rs.8000 but not sure. Try not to buy a 2MB buffer version (if they are available at all). 160GB ones are usually equipped with 8MB cache (but my Samsung's has 2MB :(). I don't think they have the Samsung SATA drives, but they might. Samsung drives are very, very reliable. So are the Seagate and Western Digital drives.

    Try to get at least a 945 chipset motherboard. Since you are not going for SLI (because only the premium class motherboards have two PCI-E 16x clots), try to find one with onboard graphics. Because if for some reason your video card fails, you will still be able to work with your onboard video no? Asus motherboards are very reliable, but every maker gives 3 year warranty so don't worry much about it. Go with the best spec motherboard. Newer Gigabyte boards are reliable than the old ones (about 3 years ago). Don't buy Intel motherboards though. They suck! Might be OK if you don't play with the default settings, but try to avoid them. I couldn't because all the other motherboards for my Core 2 Duo was over Rs.22000 and without onboard video. I'm still on onboard video by the way.

    CPU is the biggest problem. Best option is to go with dual core CPUs and you will see that they will perform better in the future when more and more programs are multi threaded. But usually a 3.4GHz P4 would be about the same price as a P-D 2.8GHz or 3GHz and P4 will perform better in games because games are single threaded (at least for the moment). However, since you are going with a cheap nvidia card, you will see no difference, so P-D 2.8GHz would be the best. If the price difference is not much, go with 3GHz one.

    I recommend buying a separate Power Supply because the one that comes with cheaper cases will give you lots of trouble, including equipment failures. Spend some money on a power supply. When you buy one, ask for server power supplies. They cost a lot (about 5000), but worth the money, because you don't want your CPU to fail because of a crappy Power Supply Unit, right? When choosing one, check for the amperage on +12V rail (you can find it on the sticker with the table on the side of the power supply unit). You should look for one which has at least 18A on the 12V rail (or if there are two rails, combination should be 18A or more).

    So to sum it all up,
    CPU = Pentium D 2.8GHz or 3GHz
    Motherboard = Intel 945G chipset motherboard. Gigabyte and MSI are cheaper than Asus
    RAM = 512MB DDR2 533MHz Kinsgton and 3 year warranty (don't go with any other brand even if they are a lot cheaper. they will fail eventually) Not having dual channel doesn't really make a huge impact. They are more important for onboard graphics.
    Video card = Geforce 7300 256MB (of possible, try to find the GT model because they are a lot faster - about 2.5 times faster than the basic)
    Hard Drive = Hitachi 160GB SATAII 8MB Cache, 7200RPM (it will work even if your motherboard only has SATAI)
    DVDRW = Liteon 16x - not sure which models are available though (don't buy those 18x drives. they are too new and not much known about them).
    Audio = onboard
    Speakers = ask GTRZ (if he hasn't replied already)
    Monitor =- whatever you like. low end model are all the same.
    Case = whatever you want
    Power Supply = whatever that suits what I said. EPSI had ASUS power supply units and they should be fine. Go for at least 400W, because higher that value, less strain is on the Power Supply and it runs cooler too.
    Keyboard/Mouse = whatever you want :)

    Hope this help(s/ed) you.

    Cheers,
    Anusha
     

    Anusha

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    Also, you might be able to overclock hell out of your CPU, if you get lucky with your components. Remember, never tell the reseller that you have overclocked because it voids warranty. Whenever you are taking back the pc in case of a failure, reset the bios. also remember that if you don't increase the voltages of your components (CPU mostly), overclocking will NOT damage them. It's the voltages that damage them.
     

    amila325

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    Onna shanx wedipurath 1thiyenawa hebei anusha kiwa wage ube bajet1 madi wei wage ram mara gananne 512 DDR1 5years warrany man gaththa 7000 pissu hedenawa machan ganan ahaddi me uba dual core 1 daganinko ochchara awa danawanam 2.8 1 15000i wenne 800Mhz 1
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    shanX

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    :yes: Thnx Anusha and amila325 :)

    :sorry: Sorry for delayed reply, my inet connection is was out of order. Anusha Thnx a lot for all the info, It was very helpful, coz lately i was not much aware of harware stuff. Yes as amila325 said I think Anusha's config will overlap my budget, Ill try my best. :yes: I'm hoping to buy the folllowing config....

    CPU = Pentium D 2.8GHz or 3GHz
    Motherboard = Gigabyte / Asus motherboard with Intel 945G chipset
    RAM = 512MB DDR2 533MHz Kinsgton
    Video card = Geforce 6600 / 7300 G-Force256MB
    Hard Drive = Seagate / Maxtor 160GB SATAII 8MB Cache, 7200RPM
    DVDRW = Liteon / Sony 16x
    Audio = onboard

    Is this ok?
    And pls tell me what's the different between the two SATA versions :confused: (Is data transfer rate) ?
     

    amila325

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    shanX said:
    :yes: Thnx Anusha and amila325 :)

    CPU = Pentium D 2.8GHz or 3GHz
    Motherboard = Gigabyte / Asus motherboard with Intel 945G chipset
    RAM = 512MB DDR2 533MHz Kinsgton
    Video card = Geforce 6600 / 7300 G-Force256MB
    Hard Drive = Seagate / Maxtor 160GB SATAII 8MB Cache, 7200RPM
    DVDRW = Liteon / Sony 16x
    Audio = onboard

    Is this ok?
    And pls tell me what's the different between the two SATA versions :confused: (Is data transfer rate) ?

    im not sure man me dawas wala wediya giye ne owa hoyanna exam handa but samahara vta ok wei 60kata
    im not sure ganna puluwannam elama thama
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    shanX

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    amila325 said:
    .....machan ganan ahaddi me uba dual core 1 daganinko ochchara awa danawanam 2.8 1 15000i wenne 800Mhz 1
    :cool: :cool: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :cool: :cool:

    Ow ekanang eththa thama, Dual core hodai, latest technology, I'll try. Hebey ethakota mboard ekath venaswenavada, Dual core support karana board expensive da? P-Dual core 2.8ghz ekath P-4 3ghz ekath same price da?

    "2.8 1 15000i wenne 800Mhz 1" mata thaerune nae :confused: !!!
     

    shanX

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    I'm selling my :cool: P3 GT-R limited edition :cool: tommorrow to a buyer :D , And tomorrow I'll check this configuration on some shops and I'll try to buy, definitely I'll buy on Friday. I'll let you guys know in between :yes: . Thnx guys.
     

    amila325

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    shanX said:
    Ow ekanang eththa thama, Dual core hodai, latest technology, I'll try. Hebey ethakota mboard ekath venaswenavada, Dual core support karana board expensive da? P-Dual core 2.8ghz ekath P-4 3ghz ekath same price da?

    "2.8 1 15000i wenne 800Mhz 1" mata thaerune nae :confused: !!!

    tikak ganan machan ath worth machan 800kiwe FSB1 sory core 2 eke FSB 1 1066Mhz
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    GTRZ

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    Super cool srilankan price guide and review from Anusha. :D
    He is searching prices and reading reviews for his own computer now. So better ask any pre buy questions coz he is updated with all the latest srilankan prices, shops and new benchmarks. :yes: :D

    I’ll add something to this too for mother boards if you cant afford Asus go for MSI. I am still not much happy with gigabyte products. Mitech in Unity Plaza selling MSI.

    For LCDs get something which has lesser response time than 12ms. Mostly new LCDs doing like 8 or 4ms. If have money get a DVI model and a DVI cable too. It’ll give bit clear text on the screen and sharp images than analog models. But it’s not big difference, mostly depends on the person. About the brands for me best panels from Samsung.
    Neat is the dealer in Unity Plaza.


    I don’t recommend you to get CRT monitor if you are not working mainly with graphics and video which needs accurate colour reproduction. Anyway if you looking for one get something like NEC, IBM, Compaq, etc.. Always check the specs. As example if it’s 15” check what max refresh rate it can do at 1024 X 768 it should be minimum over 75Hz for normal use. For best it should be over 85Hz at 1280 X 768.
    coz they support high resolutions with good refresh rates. Normally standard 15 monitors will not support high rates in good resolutions. so really big strain on your eyes if you increase the resolution.

    Other thing after you buy separate power supply remember to buy the case without the default power supply. Normally cases are priced with the crappy power supply. Asking without it will save you like Rs1200/- from the case price. Try to choose a big case with extra fan or two.

    Since the RAM prices are high you can go with 512 DDR2 for now, but don’t stop until you get over 1Gb coz now 1GB kinda standard for new applications. To get true power of your system you need around 2Gb of RAM.

    Onboard sound will use your system resources, many say you can’t really feel it much. But for my personal experience I can feel noticeable system performance difference with onboard sound and separate sound. Anyway if you are not an audiophile or doing any music production or editing don’t invest on Creative Audigy or X-Fi series cards.
    But for my experience X-Fi cards really have very noticeable quality difference than onboard audio.

    About speakers in am not gonna write that much coz you not seems to be really serious about it. But don’t buy a cheap 4.1 system coz it has 4 speakers. Even some 2.1 systems are better than 7.1s So if you don’t know to how to check the specs then ask the dealer to make a demo and go with your flash drive and ask him to play your songs. If not they play their stuff so you can’t get really good idea of the sound quality. Always check the demo computer if they have changed graphic equalizer. It should be all normal.
    Most those cheap speakers has marked like 1500Watts power etc.. Just don’t trust them. Always ask for the demo.

    About mouse, Buy Logitech or Microsoft basic optical mouse.
    It’ll be around Rs950/-
    I have lot of bad experiences with cheap mouse. Mostly optical, they pure sucks!
    Don’t buy stuff which is cheap and has beautiful light inside!!

    For keyboard I think Microsoft or Logitech too coz you can type longer hours and feels nice on fingers. I hate A4tech keyboards coz when you type it feels like hitting solid. Anyway some like that too. I have found some cheap keyboards doing well some times. But you got to have great luck :lol:
     

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    Intel 945 chipset supports Core 2 Duo, but some motherboards doesn't have 1066FSB. Some have. I don't know the exact models which supports them, but if you check the manuals before you buy, you will find out. The Gigabyte one they have at PC House didn't support Core 2 Duo at 1067FSB. You might be able to install one, but it will run at 8000FSB so a 1.86GHz CPU will work at 1.4GHz (200x7 instead of 266x7).

    Are you sure that 2.8GHz Pentium D is 15000? Way too expensive. I bought my Core 2 Duo 1.86GHz for 23,500. However, I have to agree that there aren't any cheap motherboards for Core 2 Duo. Also GTR told me that now the Core 2 Duo prices have gone up. Lucky me, that I could find a Core 2 Duo for that price.

    It seems like the whole system's price doesn't come under your budget. I recommend downgrading the CPU to a 2.66GHz Pentium D FSB533. I have seem people who have overclocked that CPU beyond 3.5GHz. Hopefully you will be able to do the same, if you have the will.

    Cheaper motherboards come with only two DDR slots. I believe you will be hoping to keep the PC for at least 3 years. Then you might one day need to increase the amount of RAM to 2GB (for Vista at least). Then you have to look for a motherboard with 4 DDR2 slots.

    Maybe you can add a video card later? Go with onboard video for the moment? But the thing is, you will not be able to play any of the current games, even the ones released last year or even before that. My motherboard has the best onboard graphics in the world, and when the final drivers are released, it will most probably supersede a Geforce 6600GT. Intel X3000 (which can be found on motherboards with 965G chipset) will also have hardware support for DX10, because the pixel processors can be programmed by software. So a driver upgrade will unlock all those features. Then it would give a good run for those budget cards. However, my motherboard cost me Rs.17,000 and the damn thing doesn't let me overclock my CPU :mad:
     

    shanX

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    Man awesome, thnx GTRZ. Yep is true LCD's cool but not near my budget, Am almost testing my limits. But I'll try a 'over 85Hz at 1280 X 768' one.

    "But for my personal experience I can feel noticeable system performance difference with onboard sound and separate sound"

    Yep I too agree with that (experience)
     

    Anusha

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    GTRZ said:
    Super cool srilankan price guide and review from Anusha. :D
    He is searching prices and reading reviews for his own computer now. So better ask any pre buy questions coz he is updated with all the latest srilankan prices, shops and new benchmarks. :yes: :D

    I’ll add something to this too for mother boards if you cant afford Asus go for MSI. I am still not much happy with gigabyte products. Mitech in Unity Plaza selling MSI.

    For LCDs get something which has lesser response time than 12ms. Mostly new LCDs doing like 8 or 4ms. If have money get a DVI model and a DVI cable too. It’ll give bit clear text on the screen and sharp images than analog models. But it’s not big difference, mostly depends on the person. About the brands for me best panels from Samsung.
    Neat is the dealer in Unity Plaza.


    I don’t recommend you to get CRT monitor if you are not working mainly with graphics and video which needs accurate colour reproduction. Anyway if you looking for one get something like NEC, IBM, Compaq, etc.. Always check the specs. As example if it’s 15” check what max refresh rate it can do at 1024 X 768 it should be minimum over 75Hz for normal use. For best it should be over 85Hz at 1280 X 768.
    coz they support high resolutions with good refresh rates. Normally standard 15 monitors will not support high rates in good resolutions. so really big strain on your eyes if you increase the resolution.

    Other thing after you buy separate power supply remember to buy the case without the default power supply. Normally cases are priced with the crappy power supply. Asking without it will save you like Rs1200/- from the case price. Try to choose a big case with extra fan or two.

    Since the RAM prices are high you can go with 512 DDR2 for now, but don’t stop until you get over 1Gb coz now 1GB kinda standard for new applications. To get true power of your system you need around 2Gb of RAM.

    Onboard sound will use your system resources, many say you can’t really feel it much. But for my personal experience I can feel noticeable system performance difference with onboard sound and separate sound. Anyway if you are not an audiophile or doing any music production or editing don’t invest on Creative Audigy or X-Fi series cards.
    But for my experience X-Fi cards really have very noticeable quality difference than onboard audio.

    About speakers in am not gonna write that much coz you not seems to be really serious about it. But don’t buy a cheap 4.1 system coz it has 4 speakers. Even some 2.1 systems are better than 7.1s So if you don’t know to how to check the specs then ask the dealer to make a demo and go with your flash drive and ask him to play your songs. If not they play their stuff so you can’t get really good idea of the sound quality. Always check the demo computer if they have changed graphic equalizer. It should be all normal.
    Most those cheap speakers has marked like 1500Watts power etc.. Just don’t trust them. Always ask for the demo.

    About mouse, Buy Logitech or Microsoft basic optical mouse.
    It’ll be around Rs950/-
    I have lot of bad experiences with cheap mouse. Mostly optical, they pure sucks!
    Don’t buy stuff which is cheap and has beautiful light inside!!

    For keyboard I think Microsoft or Logitech too coz you can type longer hours and feels nice on fingers. I hate A4tech keyboards coz when you type it feels like hitting solid. Anyway some like that too. I have found some cheap keyboards doing well some times. But you got to have great luck :lol:
    I don't think he can afford an LCD or those Audigy cards. If he can, they are the better choices of course. I was trying to stick with his budget, but it seems even my estimations were a little over his 65000 mark. 80000 should be a good price to aim at.

    Also, you should be lucky to find a place where they sell the case without the power supply. Most shops don't do that :( I had to buy the power supply and the case together, and hook up my old, better power supply on the new PC and move the newer power supply to the old PC (for dad).

    Yeah, you should not go cheap on the keyboard/mouse/monitor because those are the parts you interact with. No point having a super fast computer if you can't even type a letter without your hands/fingers starting to ache. I used to buy cheap, and had to replace my mouse three times. Then I spent some money and bought a viewsonic optical mouse and it's very nice. However, I'm still having trouble with mouse pads. None work for me. Only half sheet papers (pasted on the desk) have done the job. The problem there is that you have to constantly replace them as they get brown very quickly (think you know what I mean ;))
     

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    shanX said:
    "But for my personal experience I can feel noticeable system performance difference with onboard sound and separate sound"

    Yep I too agree with that (experience)

    This is not THAT true anymore. Sure there is a performance hit. But the integrated audio chips are catching up with Audigy. Besides, dual core CPUs would be able to cope with those tasks well. However, the newer integrated chips are better than SB Live! cards, or even the basic Audigy 1 cards.

    Still, having a super-duper sound card will bring the need of a ultra high-end speaker system. Otherwise, it's just like equipping a Core 2 Duo X6800 with only 256MB DDRII 400 Value RAM :D US$920 for the CPU, US$30 for RAM :lol:
     

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    Well machan they may sound better than normal SB live series but will use system resources. Anyway it'll be less noticeable when CPUs get more powerful. Anyway i think it’s still noticeable in this system too. But you can ignore it if you not going after lot of power. :yes:

    I am not asking to buy good sound card it’s not worthy for your money in this situation. But you don’t need high end speakers to feel the difference.
    As example my friend had satellite speakers which had only 1 driver. So it’s like all range driver mostly responding to high-mid range. But changing to X-Fi card i can hear clear sounds from single driver too. Its not like expansive speakers but really noticeable sound improvement. I am not saying its worthy to buy but it can show improvement in your crappy Rs 500/- speaker pair too.
     

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    Well machan they may sound better than normal SB live series but will use system resources. Anyway it'll be less noticeable when CPUs get more powerful. Anyway i think it’s still noticeable in this system too. But you can ignore it if you not going after lot of power. :yes:

    I am not asking to buy good sound card it’s not worthy for your money in this situation. But you don’t need high end speakers to feel the difference.
    As example my friend had satellite speakers which had only 1 driver. So it’s like all range driver mostly responding to high-mid range. But changing to X-Fi card i can hear clear sounds from single driver too. Its not like expansive speakers but really noticeable sound improvement. I am not saying its worthy to buy but it can show improvement in your crappy Rs 500/- speaker pair too.

    Still machan doesn't it depend on the persons ears... I have exceptional hearing (now I'm losing it a bit because of shooting :( ) so I have very high end equipment including a bose system for my PC. I love it and can tell the difference if a cable is picking up RF but I have friends who can't tell the difference between that and the PC speaker :angry: it pisses me off to no end but they can't really tell the difference much less justify the price difference.
    So I really beleive the best speakers and the sound card is what sounds good to the individual person.....
    OK that's my 2cents
     

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    ShanX all I can do is wish you the best because if i tell you the stuff that's available here and the low prices.... you'll want to move :lol: :lol: