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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sri_lion" data-source="post: 2925881" data-attributes="member: 4103">Well, even before Q'ran appeared people lived in this world and thrived didn't they? They did not refer to any divine text.. so what about them? So assuming that Allah is the creator of human.. why did not he create the first human and give the Q'ran to his hand and said "everything thing you need to know is here!". if you tell me this way.. then at least it makes sense!Al-Khwarizmi was born in 780AD and his main contributions in Mathematics, (from the source you've given me) but bro... even '0' was invented in 5th century BC, way before Q'ran has been found/revealed! So how can you give credit to Q'ran in accordance with Al-Khwarizmi services?   Well.. if all appears normal to me then we would not be having this discussion in the first place <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/lol.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="LOL    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /><img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/lol.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="LOL    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />   Dont jump into conclusions now!! <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/lol.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="LOL    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /><img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/wink.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" data-shortname=";)" />  Ok that's exactly what I'm asking here... see Einstien did perhaps the greatest service to mankind in the modern world.. so he did good deeds even though he wasn't a Muslim, so if Allah... like you say would consider his good deeds but then what would be his (Allah's) decision?Will he..Decides "Ok.. this person did a lot of good, even though he is not a Muslim I'm sending him to heaven"or"Ok.. this guy did lot of good deed but since he isn't a Muslim I'm sending him to Hell"in which case both seems odd to me.. because in 1st case then you don't necessarily have to be a Muslim to go to where Muslims go after death! in the second case, just because you are not a Muslim whatever good you do doesn't matter, you will still go to Hell!!So clear out for me.. which one? please!!  WHY NOT? <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/shocked.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":shocked:" title="Shocked    :shocked:" data-shortname=":shocked:" /> You believe he is out there somewhere right? So you mean you don't believe he can do this or what? If you dont believe a simple thing like this then how do you believe he created a Universe? or you just not ask help for these kind of small things <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/lol.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="LOL    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />But for a GOD who created a Universe this can be fixed in a jiffy right?I dunno.. your choice!! I'm just asking....  No matter how careful you are if someone else is not careful he can harm you that's also called an accident.. (most of the time)So always being perfect is impossible, unless a GOD of Allah's caliber makes human perfect.. (now I wonder why he didn't)  NO! I'm not saying you MUST see to believe! But it SURE does helps.. Are you denying that? that's human nature... or should I say.. the very nature that Allah created in human beings... so he should understand it better than us!   So does this means, all Christians will not be punished on the Judgment day?Because they followed a Prophet of Allah! If so... then again.. you don't have to be a Muslim to go to heaven?   Actually say if someone says you don't exist, what better way to convince that person other than you show him you sure does exist? If you send messengers and angels etc. etc. the more the people will dis believe you!! This is just common sense.. if you want people to believe you, stop beating around the bush... just present what they don't believe.. end of the story.. why go through all this criticism?  Maybe the day Allah stop sending someone behalf of him and appears himself and prove all this is his creation!! That is people's choice.. every person is different.. this question you should Allah.. not me!!  Because, if there's only ONE TRUE GOD, then I can't see any reason why.. for him not to present himself to the people (like you guys) whom pray for him day and night.. Here I'm talking as a Human to GOD not as a Buddhist...If human have this much of faith on you... what possible reason you have not to appear yourself and let them hear your words and wisdom from you!!??  Ok! so let me get this straight & simple...Allah creates human.. reveals Q'ran... and says "Ok I have given you the freedom to think as human"..Then human uses that freedom to follow or explore other avenues... and the moment he does that.... he enters Allah's punishment LOG or something? So what's the freedom really means in Allah's book?Does Allah means.. whatever you do you cannot be a non-Muslim? then what freedom is that?<img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/eek.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":eek:" title="eek    :eek:" data-shortname=":eek:" /><img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/default/confused.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:" data-shortname=":confused:" /></blockquote>

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