Is wife beating and gender discrimination allowed in quran

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ex-muslim Ahmed said:
http://www.ishwar.com/islam/holy_quran_(pickthall)/sura004.html

http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSora=4&nAya=34&nSeg=1&l=eng&t=eng

4.34

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.


I would like to know the explanantion for this verse in quran? I think it degrades women and promote sexism and promote gender discrimination. I also see quran support beating women. I think all these verses do not agree with modern civilised way of life. any comments???



here is answer for Mr. Ex-Muslim Ahmed...

In the event of a family dispute, the Quran exhorts the husband to treat his wife kindly and not overlook her positive aspects [Quran 4:19]. If the problem relates to the wife's behavior, her husband may exhort her and appeal for reason. In most cases, this measure is likely to be sufficient.

In cases where the problem continues, the husband may express his displeasure in another peaceful manner, by sleeping in a separate bed from hers. There are cases however, in which a wife persists in deliberate mistreatment and expresses contempt of her husband and disregard for her marital obligations.

Instead of divorce, the husband may resort to another measure that may save the marriage, at least in some cases. Such a measure is more accurately described as a gentle tap on the body, but never on the face, making it more of a symbolic measure then a punitive one.

Following is the related Quranic text (which means):
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women. Because Allaah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allaah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) do not share their beds, (and last) beat (tap) them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): for Allaah is Most High, Great (above you all)." [Quran 4:34]

Even here, that maximum measure is limited by the following:

1. It must be seen as a rare exception to the repeated exhortation of mutual respect, kindness and good treatment, discussed earlier.

Based on the Quran and narration, this measure may be used in the cases of lewdness on the part of the wife or extreme refraction and rejection of the husband's reasonable requests on a consistent basis. Even then, other measures, such as exhortation, should be tried first.

2. As defined by narration, it is not permissible to strike anyone's face, cause any bodily harm, or even be harsh. What the narration qualified as light striking, was interpreted by early jurists as a (symbolic) use of Miswaak (a small natural toothbrush)! They further qualified permissible "striking" as that which leaves no mark on the body.

It is interesting that this latter fourteen-centuries-old qualifier is the criterion used in contemporary American law to separate a light and harmless tap or strike from "abuse" in the legal sense. This makes it clear that even this extreme, last resort, and "lesser of the two evils" measure that may save a marriage, does not meet the definitions of "physical abuse," "family violence, " or "wife battering" in the 20th century law in liberal democracies, where such extremes are so commonplace that they are seen as national concerns!

3. The permissibility of such symbolic expression of the seriousness of continued refraction does not imply its desirability. In several narrations, Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention) discouraged this measure. Among his sayings are the following: "Do not beat the female servants of Allaah;" "Some (women) visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These (husbands) are not the best of you;" and also, "[It is a shame that] one of you beats his wife like [an unscrupulous person] beats a slave and maybe he sleeps with her at the end of the day." [Riyadh Al-Saaliheen]

In another narration the Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam said :... "How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then he may embrace (sleep with) her?..." [Al-Bukhaari].

4. True following of the Sunnah is to follow the example of the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, who never resorted to that measure, regardless of the circumstances.

5. Islamic teachings are universal in nature. They respond to the needs and circumstances of diverse times, cultures and circumstances. Some measures may work in some cases and cultures or with certain persons but may not be effective in others. By definition, a "permissible" act is neither required, encouraged nor forbidden. In fact it may be better to spell out the extent of permissibility, such as in the issue at hand, rather than leaving it unrestricted and unqualified or ignoring it all together. In the absence of strict qualifiers, persons may interpret the matter in their own way, which can lead to excesses and real abuse.

6. Any excess, cruelty, family violence or abuse committed by any "Muslim" can never be traced, honestly, to any revelatory text (Quran or narration). Such excesses and violations are to be blamed on the person(s) himself, as it shows that they are paying lip service to Islamic teachings and injunctions and failing to follow the true Sunnah of the Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam
 

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    coolgayathra said:
    PALA CANNIBAL AMIN
    IN BUDDHISM PEOPLE BECOME THERAS BY THEIR OWN COICE.
    GIHI WOMEN ARE NOT TREATED LIKE YOU GUYS DO.
    BUT EVERY RELIGION IS GOOD.
    ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS LIVE AS A GOOD MAN.
    lord buddha once told
    "i dont want every human to become a buddhist,nor i persuade them to.
    all i want to see is people leading a good life
    hey bro ape agame hari little beat weradi kara nam oyalage agame beela gahanne genunta satekta wada anta widhiatane:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     

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    sri_lion said:
    Mehenin wahanse enters that life by her own will, there's no such bondage.. so your arguments are totally baseless,

    And yes my genius! Wife beating, Islam is 1000 times better :lol:

    if somebody wants to commit suicide by there own will will u buddhists let him do that too....:rofl:
     

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    Please read all the conditions clearly.... Dont shout without Reading these...

    Over to you : Mr Ex-Muslim Ahmed, Mr. Sri Lion & Others
     

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    sirajstc said:
    wat the man ottara terum karalath ape agame kiyala tiyanne waife ema free dom ekakma denna kiyala gahhanth kiyala ne issalam 1.hodin kiyala balanna kiyala kiyala tiyanwa ekath hari giye nettam
    2.bed eken eyawa wena room ekata daana kiyala tiyanwa

    3.ekath hari giye nettam normallly beat :yes: :yes: den terunada
    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
    Forget the occasion
    Still I can't see any Humanity Bro!!!!!!!
    According To my opinion Islamic Hubands are experiencing every comfort they can get(7 WIVES as an Eg) while their wives are treated like slaves
    They cannot Even Enter to mosques like their Husbands
    Is it fair to be treated like this?????
     
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    sri_lion said:
    Its not what I think? :lol: No need anymore explanations... you know its wrong, yet pathetic losers trying to cook up some excuses to beat women! :rolleyes:

    Prashanyak ahuwama jaathi bedaya adala gannawa shape wenna :lol: OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK MATE!!

    Anika methana Jaathi bedayak na, methana katha karanne agam gana... oyage Agamai jaathiyai ekata mix una kiyala mama mona karannada? :lol::lol:


    I said Not Like You think....... And Wat is The Old Book Method??//:confused: :confused:

    Jathi beda Karayo kawadawath Kiyanne nane mama Jathibeda Karayek Kiyala:P :P :P

    Shape wenna kisima Uwamanawak Na Api waliyak methana Dagatthe nane

    ur telling my religion is fake and m saying its not....and ur hardly trying too prove that islam is not right but m not trying to proof ur religion is not ......

    coz i respect other religions as well Not Like you ......

    in my religion it has said Respect other religions. so i......

    Thats what happen here any way i have to go now

    Hope to meet you in a new Racist thread which ANTI-ISLAM Person Post :P :P :P
     

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    Idi Amin said:
    if somebody wants to commit suicide by there own will will u buddhists let him do that too....:rofl:

    First thing you must realize is... there's no such bonding of followers in Buddhism, most important aspect is you understand what you do... and if you believe you need help doing that.. the Dhamma is there to guide you!

    So if someone commits suicide its still considered a SIN!

    This is why Dhamma is there for you... if you have doubt you can always refer to it!
     

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    sirajstc said:
    hey bro ape agame hari little beat weradi kara nam oyalage agame beela gahanne genunta satekta wada anta widhiatane:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


    ape argama genunta beela gahanne ne:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: ee gahanne namata argamak dagena inna narumayoo witharai lord buddha kawadawath genunta gehuweth ne ee gollonwa samajaye pahath aya kiyala salakanna kiwweth ne
     

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    casper_fms said:
    here is answer for Mr. Ex-Muslim Ahmed...

    Blah blah blah

    Hi you cant have a answer if you answer that means you are challenging quran? are you challenging quran??

    do you challenge the quranic verse 4.34 ??

    do you challenge quranic view women should be beaten ??
    do you challenge the quranic view that women should be slave of men??
    do you challenge the quranic view that women are less worthy than men??

    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


     

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    sri_lion said:
    First thing you must realize is... there's no such bonding of followers in Buddhism, most important aspect is you understand what you do... and if you believe you need help doing that.. the Dhamma is there to guide you!

    So if someone commits suicide its still considered a SIN!

    This is why Dhamma is there for you... if you have doubt you can always refer to it!

    I like this reply of urs...lets get point to point talking....

    according to damma where did the human race begin....?????:P
     

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    casper_fms said:
    Instead of divorce, the husband may resort to another measure that may save the marriage, at least in some cases. Such a measure is more accurately described as a gentle tap on the body, but never on the face, making it more of a symbolic measure then a punitive one.


    Gentle Tap? :lol: Can you show me where in Q'ran it ask you to Gentle Tap on the body?

    HAHAHA Gentle Tap!! :lol::lol: LMAO!!
     

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    Idi Amin said:
    arnt thera's normal human beings dont they have the right to have babies???? oh shit ....Buddhism is a premitive religion
    Don't show your Ignorance...If she wants to have a baby She can any minute quit from it....And have it happily Without any problem..But buddhist theros aren't that stupid
     

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    coolgayathra said:
    in buddhism "we dont beleve in theary of creation"
    infact LORD BUDDHA ONCE HAS TOLD ABOUT THE BIG BANG THEARY

    ok...so wot did Lord buddha tell abt Big Bang Theory???
     

    ex-muslim Ahmed

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    Idi Amin said:
    I like this reply of urs...lets get point to point talking....

    according to damma where did the human race begin....?????:P

    hey Moron get lost ! only thing yo have done right/worthy in the thread is choosing a avatar and signature wisely! it suits you and your beleifs! get lost uncivilised donkey!
     

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    coolgayathra said:
    comiting siucide is against all aspects of our religion,also in every religion no body says commiting suicide is good,infact in biddhism commiting suicide is like killing another living being
    Well Said Bro!!!!!!!!!!!