Is wife beating and gender discrimination allowed in quran

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

ok...so wot did Lord buddha tell abt Big Bang Theory???

hey piece of shit dont talk about things you dont know ..big bang is not the only interpretation of "begining" . there is nothing about big bang in quran..those are bold lies.. proven wrong 1000 times

 

[Muzain]

Ow Baudda ayath gahanawa thama, methana wenasa machang umbata therenne nathi ekai prashne...

Api kiyanne Q'ran eke gahanna awasara deela thiyenawa, umba mata Buddagame ehema thiyena thanak isella penna pang... anna ethakota umba kiyana eka hari!

Umbata Therenne natthe Me Umbala Kiyanawa Wage Ambanak Gahala Dasa wada denda kiyala Na

Ehamanam dan bagayak muslim paul Divorce Minimarum Suicide case wala patalila Thiyenda epai

 

[casper_fms]

here is answer for Mr. Ex-Muslim Ahmed...

In the event of a family dispute, the Quran exhorts the husband to treat his wife kindly and not overlook her positive aspects [Quran 4:19]. If the problem relates to the wife's behavior, her husband may exhort her and appeal for reason. In most cases, this measure is likely to be sufficient.

In cases where the problem continues, the husband may express his displeasure in another peaceful manner, by sleeping in a separate bed from hers. There are cases however, in which a wife persists in deliberate mistreatment and expresses contempt of her husband and disregard for her marital obligations.

Instead of divorce, the husband may resort to another measure that may save the marriage, at least in some cases. Such a measure is more accurately described as a gentle tap on the body, but never on the face, making it more of a symbolic measure then a punitive one.

Following is the related Quranic text (which means):
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women. Because Allaah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allaah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) do not share their beds, (and last) beat (tap) them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): for Allaah is Most High, Great (above you all)." [Quran 4:34]

Even here, that maximum measure is limited by the following:

1. It must be seen as a rare exception to the repeated exhortation of mutual respect, kindness and good treatment, discussed earlier.

Based on the Quran and narration, this measure may be used in the cases of lewdness on the part of the wife or extreme refraction and rejection of the husband's reasonable requests on a consistent basis. Even then, other measures, such as exhortation, should be tried first.

2. As defined by narration, it is not permissible to strike anyone's face, cause any bodily harm, or even be harsh. What the narration qualified as light striking, was interpreted by early jurists as a (symbolic) use of Miswaak (a small natural toothbrush)! They further qualified permissible "striking" as that which leaves no mark on the body.

It is interesting that this latter fourteen-centuries-old qualifier is the criterion used in contemporary American law to separate a light and harmless tap or strike from "abuse" in the legal sense. This makes it clear that even this extreme, last resort, and "lesser of the two evils" measure that may save a marriage, does not meet the definitions of "physical abuse," "family violence, " or "wife battering" in the 20th century law in liberal democracies, where such extremes are so commonplace that they are seen as national concerns!

3. The permissibility of such symbolic expression of the seriousness of continued refraction does not imply its desirability. In several narrations, Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam (may Allaah exalt his mention) discouraged this measure. Among his sayings are the following: "Do not beat the female servants of Allaah;" "Some (women) visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These (husbands) are not the best of you;" and also, "[It is a shame that] one of you beats his wife like [an unscrupulous person] beats a slave and maybe he sleeps with her at the end of the day." [Riyadh Al-Saaliheen]

In another narration the Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam said :... "How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then he may embrace (sleep with) her?..." [Al-Bukhaari].

4. True following of the Sunnah is to follow the example of the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, who never resorted to that measure, regardless of the circumstances.

5. Islamic teachings are universal in nature. They respond to the needs and circumstances of diverse times, cultures and circumstances. Some measures may work in some cases and cultures or with certain persons but may not be effective in others. By definition, a "permissible" act is neither required, encouraged nor forbidden. In fact it may be better to spell out the extent of permissibility, such as in the issue at hand, rather than leaving it unrestricted and unqualified or ignoring it all together. In the absence of strict qualifiers, persons may interpret the matter in their own way, which can lead to excesses and real abuse.

6. Any excess, cruelty, family violence or abuse committed by any "Muslim" can never be traced, honestly, to any revelatory text (Quran or narration). Such excesses and violations are to be blamed on the person(s) himself, as it shows that they are paying lip service to Islamic teachings and injunctions and failing to follow the true Sunnah of the Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam

STILL NO REPLY FOR THIS

 

[KHz]

Hi you cant have a answer if you answer that means you are challenging quran? are you challenging quran??

do you challenge the quranic verse 4.34 ??

do you challenge quranic view women should be beaten ??
do you challenge the quranic view that women should be slave of men??
do you challenge the quranic view that women are less worthy than men??

No one to answer

 

[sri_lion]

STILL NO REPLY FOR THIS

Erm.. you missed this my lord!!

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4167125&postcount=113

 

[casper_fms]

Hi you cant have a answer if you answer that means you are challenging quran? are you challenging quran??

do you challenge the quranic verse 4.34 ??

do you challenge quranic view women should be beaten ??
do you challenge the quranic view that women should be slave of men??
do you challenge the quranic view that women are less worthy than men??

Ohh Man... This is truly amazing... Even we give so many explanation... U wont satisfied with any of those for sure... coz ur a.................................

 

[Idi Amin]

Through the evolution of physical matter!

then wot abt the "karma" theory....the first animals of the planet were denied their desired lifes according to Karma theory..... isnt that unfair

 

[Idi Amin]

hey piece of shit dont talk about things you dont know ..big bang is not the only interpretation of "begining" . there is nothing about big bang in quran..those are bold lies.. proven wrong 1000 times

f off u addressless aithist bastard.....we are talking to the buddhist now...shut ur stinky mouth for a while

 

[sri_lion]

then wot abt the "karma" theory....the first animals of the planet were denied their desired lifes according to Karma theory..... isnt that unfair

Karma is based on action (cause and effect), you gotta have an action to trigger Karma.. if there are NO beings where the HELL the actions come from? HAHAHA

 

[KHz]

Ohh Man... This is truly amazing... Even we give so many explanation... U wont satisfied with any of those for sure... coz ur a.................................

Dude can you kindly give me one explanatin...Please??????My innocent intention is to learn whats in Quaran.........Not to insult any Religion and please Do not post any Copy n paste stuff...I need a direct answer

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

then wot abt the "karma" theory....the first animals of the planet were denied their desired lifes according to Karma theory..... isnt that unfair

what a fu**ing nut case is this. this guy doesnt know either
1. evolution
2. Karma
3. he is showing the whole world he is a retard

unbelievably stupid these crackpots.!!!

 

[srilankanpeople]

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[gayancc]

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you banned one

 

[sri_lion]

MATA THOPILATA KIYANNA THIYENNE 1 DEYAI....YAKO ELAKIRI EKA ATHULE AAGAM GANA DAANNA EPA..THOPILATA OWWA DAANNAMA ONENAN PAARE POSTERS GAHAPAN..KALAKANNI..ELAKIRI EKATH KANAWA

Aiya ada Join unata Elakiri eka gana godak dewal dannawa wage

 

[ex-muslim Ahmed]

Ohh Man... This is truly amazing... Even we give so many explanation... U wont satisfied with any of those for sure... coz ur a.................................

Dude take deep breath and think clearly. you cant change whats in quran, so you pathetically try to be apologetic and try to fight it with other verses of quran, hadith and your interpretations..it doesnt work. the more you try to whitewash quran it is a acceptance of there is a something wrong in quran

 

[KHz]

MATA THOPILATA KIYANNA THIYENNE 1 DEYAI....YAKO ELAKIRI EKA ATHULE AAGAM GANA DAANNA EPA..THOPILATA OWWA DAANNAMA ONENAN PAARE POSTERS GAHAPAN..KALAKANNI..ELAKIRI EKATH KANAWA

Why is it wrong to have a discussion?????No insults ....Jst a few questions...Thats all no Hard feelings

 

[KHz]

f off u addressless aithist bastard.....we are talking to the buddhist now...shut ur stinky mouth for a while

 

[Idi Amin]

Karma is based on action (cause and effect), you gotta have an action to trigger Karma.. if there are NO beings where the HELL the actions come from? HAHAHA

you mean the karma wasnt prevelent before the big bang according to ur own argument????? then the first beings on the planet were denied a fair grounds to live on....lol and how can you expect them to know abt karma...according to ur guru darwin the first beings on earth are single cells....no body taught these cells abt karma...wot a pity the cells had to pay a hefty price

 

[casper_fms]

Dude can you kindly give me one explanatin...Please??????My innocent intention is to learn whats in Quaran.........Not to insult any Religion and please Do not post any Copy n paste stuff...I need a direct answer

Copy / paste..????? u need direct answer??? go to hell

 

[Idi Amin]

what a fu**ing nut case is this. this guy doesnt know either
1. evolution
2. Karma
3. he is showing the whole world he is a retard

unbelievably stupid these crackpots.!!!

so ur a big Scientist come kiss the both sides of my A**