KFC.... is Haram!

[Dr.zaji]

cool man

 

[freon]

If you do know that person you having sex with is a married person then ofcourse it is not right!

Lord Buddha mentions this as sexual mis-conduct in Dhammapada (Nirayavagga Chapter) he mentions the reason's why..

Four misfortunes befall a heedless man who commits adultery:

1. Acquisition of demerit,
2. Disturbed state of mind
3. Blame
4. State of woe

Also leads it to Lies (which is also a sin), Dishonesty and ultimately effecting the balanced structure of the whole family.. so having a relationship with already married person has dire consequences, thus considered a sin!

Lets see

1. Acquisition of demerit - NOT A SIN
2. Disturbed state of mind - NOT A SIN
3. Blame - NOT A SIN
4. State of woe - NOT A SIN

ALL THESE JUST GUILT INSIDE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED COS ITS AGAINST COMMON MORAL CONDUCTS, GUILT CANNOT BE SIN COS IF SO THE PERSON EATING CHICKEN CAN FEEL GUILTY AS WELL BUT IF HE DOESNT KILL IT YOU CLEARLY SAID ITS NOT A SIN

SO ITS ONLY LIEING HERE BECOMES A SIN, SIMPLY IF THEY BOTH KEEP QUIET THATS FINE, AND THEY BOTH ARE STILL INSIDE THE LINE IS IT?

i'm not sure if the man is actually headless, cos he, as long as he doesnt lie he has not sinned and got what he wants as well. just like buying a dead chicken.

also when in sexual misconduct the decision is based on the effect (ie:ffecting the balanced structure of the whole family, has dire consequences..etc) but in case of killing its not (ie:no consideration about demand will make a market thus will contribute to more killing)

why?

 

[sri_lion]

Lets see

1. Acquisition of demerit - NOT A SIN
2. Disturbed state of mind - NOT A SIN
3. Blame - NOT A SIN
4. State of woe - NOT A SIN

ALL THESE JUST GUILT INSIDE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED COS ITS AGAINST COMMON MORAL CONDUCTS, GUILT CANNOT BE SIN COS IF SO THE PERSON EATING CHICKEN CAN FEEL GUILTY AS WELL BUT IF HE DOESNT KILL IT YOU CLEARLY SAID ITS NOT A SIN

SO ITS ONLY LIEING HERE BECOMES A SIN, SIMPLY IF THEY BOTH KEEP QUIET THATS FINE, AND THEY BOTH ARE STILL INSIDE THE LINE IS IT?

i'm not sure if the man is actually headless, cos he, as long as he doesnt lie he has not sinned and got what he wants as well. just like buying a dead chicken.

also when in sexual misconduct the decision is based on the effect (ie:ffecting the balanced structure of the whole family, has dire consequences..etc) but in case of killing its not (ie:no consideration about demand will make a market thus will contribute to more killing)

why?

Because its a matter of life and death that we are comparing to sexual misconduct, which is totally not comparable!! Sexual misconduct always based on common moral conduct, it could go either way... if you are cheating on your partner then you might or might not getaway with it.. but same principals cannot be applied to a certain one way action like taking a living beings life, can you give back the life after death?

 

[Wal Bada]

as i said before... the beef stall or the super market that u r buying beef (or some meat) is selling them as you are producing a demand for it. and wht evr said.. just think like this..

you go to a relations place. they giv you chicken for lunch. and if you eat that means your consumption made them decrease the qty of chicken they hav in their house.. so they gona buy new chicken sooner than if you havnt eat them. The demand is produced on the shop keeper for the chicken. so he kills a chicken.. doesnt this cycle includes you..

and sri-singhaya.. im expectng a comment on this...

Once again going around circles. Either you have intention of killing or either not have it. No indirect way of intention of killing. Demand blah . . blah . . is not a part of intention. You can throw a brick out of your window in to you garden because usually there are no people in the garden. But if that brick hits a cockroach and it gets killed, no sin, because intention of killing is not there.

 

[freon]

Because its a matter of life and death that we are comparing to sexual misconduct, which is totally not comparable!! Sexual misconduct always based on common moral conduct, it could go either way... if you are cheating on your partner then you might or might not getaway with it.. but same principals cannot be applied to a certain one way action like taking a living beings life, can you give back the life after death?

life and death?
still you can eat, tell me one way of getting chicken in your table without killing one? unless the chicken comes forward and slits off its throat to sacrifies itself for our food , its ok to eat meat after it animal dies naturally in buddism?
you need to kill a animal to eat its meat - common sense

so if all accept its ok to have sex outside marriage, buddism will be ok with it? common moral conduct is based on majorit opinion right.i cant imagine how such and act that does so much of damage to community just boils down to "ONLY LIEING"

BTW you din answer this

also when in sexual misconduct the decision is based on the effect (ie:ffecting the balanced structure of the whole family, has dire consequences..etc) but in case of killing its not (ie:no consideration about demand will make a market thus will contribute to more killing)

why?

 

[sudheera]

ade lanakwata naha...

 

[hishan1983]

we know it bro. some SriLankan KFC branches also don't use Halal Chicken.

 

[sri_lion]

life and death?
still you can eat, tell me one way of getting chicken in your table without killing one? unless the chicken comes forward and slits off its throat to sacrifies itself for our food , its ok to eat meat after it animal dies naturally in buddism?
you need to kill a animal to eat its meat - common sense

Bang! you hit the nail on the head there dude... here's common sense for you.. this is why we are saying Islam is wrong because no matter where, an animal will not willingly take its own life for you to provide with its meat.. yet Q'ran has excused from you eating Animals, even though you know now they have the same fear as human do, who are you to decide a life of another living being?

You need to kill to EAT. True! but the killer will SIN! is it so hard to understand? we've been through this discussion already, I guess answers already given in the previous threads

so if all accept its ok to have sex outside marriage, buddism will be ok with it? common moral conduct is based on majorit opinion right.i cant imagine how such and act that does so much of damage to community just boils down to "ONLY LIEING"

BTW you din answer this

Now! Who accepted having sex outside marriage is OK?

BTW can I ask you 1 question? does Islam condone lieing and dishonesty? Why?

 

[freon]

this is why we are saying Islam is wrong

Why cos it accepts naturally human beings are meat eaters?doesnt go against the nature?
not hiding behind the bush and saying ok you can eat but no..cant kill?

Now! Who accepted having sex outside marriage is OK?

according to you, if they are not lieing its fine in buddism
remember wat you post will be in EK servers here if you want to check again.

BTW can I ask you 1 question? does Islam condone lieing and dishonesty? Why?

yes it does, why? if i can tell you the exact reason i should be god,i'm not.
but muslims follow it wihtout a problem cos they see all it does is good, helps makes the society a better one

 

[nadeeshaF]

yes it does, why? if i can tell you the exact reason i should be god,i'm not.
but muslims follow it wihtout a problem cos they see all it does is good, helps makes the society a better one

What about Taqqiya (sp?)?

 

[sri_lion]

Why cos it accepts naturally human beings are meat eaters?doesnt go against the nature?
not hiding behind the bush and saying ok you can eat but no..cant kill?

Ofcourse not, the nature of human is as such that human is smarter than other beings, the nature of human understands situations and has the ability to gauge good and bad in a far better manner than animals.. this is the difference!

That is the HUMAN nature, if you want to ignore your HUMAN nature and be a animal and start killing other's then it is not human nature.. is that what Islam says?

Besides not all meat eating look-a-like animals actually eats meat, so that theory from Q'ran or where ever you get it from, is totally flawed!

according to you, if they are not lieing its fine in buddism
remember wat you post will be in EK servers here if you want to check again.

Suppose you meet someone, you are not married.. and the other person says he/she not married either.. and you have no way of knowing if that is really true or not... so how exactly having sex with such person can be wrong?

Unless ofcourse you have sex without that person's consent!! So that is what I was talking about.. I dont know what you talking about!

yes it does, why? if i can tell you the exact reason i should be god,i'm not.

I'll tell you why! because you are scared of GOD, you are scared that on judgment day he will punish you.. this is why you refrain from all SINS!! Isn't it?

but muslims follow it wihtout a problem cos they see all it does is good, helps makes the society a better one

So how can that differ from Buddhists / Buddhism ?

 

[gazaly]

What about Taqqiya (sp?)?

inju inju.. menna meya aayeth awilla... Taqqiya gana dana gannama o'neda

 

[freon]

What about Taqqiya (sp?)?

Taqqiya, is in short "sthanochita prangyawa"
specially in a situation where your life is in danger.

 

[nadeeshaF]

inju inju.. menna meya aayeth awilla... Taqqiya gana dana gannama o'neda

Har har. Getting a little stale aren't we?

No, I don't want to know about Taqiya from YOU. Especially when that means copy pasting a wall of text from some Islamic site, which nobody in their right mind would want to read.

Taqiya allows muslims to lie, cover the truth. That's all that matters, and it contradicts what he said, so. Eat that.

 

[gazaly]

Har har. Getting a little stale aren't we?

No, I don't want to know about Taqiya from YOU. Especially when that means copy pasting a wall of text from some Islamic site, which nobody in their right mind would want to read.

Taqiya allows muslims to lie, cover the truth. That's all that matters, and it contradicts what he said, so. Eat that.

indaa... inju inju....


kawda copy paste karanney mama da oyada?
Ehema mama karana hama thanama mama A'ka mention karanawa mama mey deygaththey Islamic site ekakin kiyalaa... o'ne nam balanna gihilla mage parana replys...

kohomath mama oyata taqiya gana kiyanney naha mata oyata kiyanna o'ne kiyala hithuneth naha.. oyatath mona thakiyyekda.. inju inju..
anika mage aagamata dahamata oya indan katha katha kiyaddi mama uda balagena inna tharam Niwatawenney naha.. oyata hari oyage prathipathhi walata anuwa thamange aagama dahama unath pawala dena wada..9meyka mama kiyanney kalin oya oyage aagama gana kiyapu deyak sambandawai-link eka hoyala A'ka pennam inna ) api muslims..api bandila inney apey aagama jaathiya winasha karanna ena mona balaweygetath muhuna dennai.. (namuth oya ehenma kara kiyala mamakiyanney naha-inju inju.. oya echchara loku kenekuth newei apey aagama winasa karannata )

 

[freon]

you are all over the place buddy..
now you have denied grede 8 science - remember food chain?
again you itself say buddism says can eat meat (accepts science?)
you talk about "smart human being", but cannot figure how the one chicken in the market shelve will be replaced by a live chicken in the farm

and the best part is you had to invent a new kind of animal - meat eating look-a-like animals to support your points (can i have some examples of these pls?)

Suppose you meet someone, you are not married.. and the other person says he/she not married either.. and you have no way of knowing if that is really true or not... so how exactly having sex with such person can be wrong?

Unless ofcourse you have sex without that person's consent!! So that is what I was talking about.. I dont know what you talking about!

please read what i asked here

what if you knew? i mean the guy has sinned according to buddism?

you said

If you do know that person you having sex with is a married person then ofcourse it is not right!

you din say its a sin according to buddism unless they lie aboout it, and you knew wat i was talking about.

I'll tell you why! because you are scared of GOD, you are scared that on judgment day he will punish you.. this is why you refrain from all SINS!! Isn't it?

Quote:
Originally Posted by freon
but muslims follow it wihtout a problem cos they see all it does is good, helps makes the society a better one


So how can that differ from Buddhists / Buddhism ?

its part of the belief, judgment day just like "nivana" is part of buddists belief

 

[nadeeshaF]

indaa... inju inju....


kawda copy paste karanney mama da oyada?
Ehema mama karana hama thanama mama A'ka mention karanawa mama mey deygaththey Islamic site ekakin kiyalaa... o'ne nam balanna gihilla mage parana replys...

You. With or without a source, it's still copying *ding ding*. You just admitted it yourself. Pathetic

kohomath mama oyata taqiya gana kiyanney naha mata oyata kiyanna o'ne kiyala hithuneth naha.. oyatath mona thakiyyekda.. inju inju..
...

Good, spare me.

anika mage aagamata dahamata oya indan katha katha kiyaddi mama uda balagena inna tharam Niwatawenney naha.. oyata hari oyage prathipathhi walata anuwa thamange aagama dahama unath pawala dena wada..9meyka mama kiyanney kalin oya oyage aagama gana kiyapu deyak sambandawai-link eka hoyala A'ka pennam inna ) api muslims..api bandila inney apey aagama jaathiya winasha karanna ena mona balaweygetath muhuna dennai.. (namuth oya ehenma kara kiyala mamakiyanney naha-inju inju.. oya echchara loku kenekuth newei apey aagama winasa karannata )

Good grief. I can't even ask a question or state my opinion, without being accused of insulting your religion.

 

[Wal Bada]

api bandila inney apey aagama jaathiya winasha karanna ena mona balaweygetath muhuna dennai..

Oyage jaathiya mokakda?

 

[Wal Bada]

IE: a guy wants to have sex, a married lady wants it from someone else than her husband. if this guy sleeps with her it want be a problem to him but she will be sinning?

For the sin of sexual misconduct to happen following should happen.

1. Realize that the person married
2. Plan out a method to carry out the act (or intention)
3. Carrying out the act
4. Feeling happly / gratified after the act.

Assuming that this guy is unmarried and of legal age, if he knowns that the lady is married, he completes all four parts. If he does not know that she is married, or if she had lied to him that she is not married, sin of misconduct will not happen, ebcause the 1st part is not fulfilled. Whatever way, that particular women will complete the sin of misconduct.

Hope that I have answered your question.

 

[sri_lion]

you are all over the place buddy..
now you have denied grede 8 science - remember food chain?
again you itself say buddism says can eat meat (accepts science?)
you talk about "smart human being", but cannot figure how the one chicken in the market shelve will be replaced by a live chicken in the farm

and the best part is you had to invent a new kind of animal - meat eating look-a-like animals to support your points (can i have some examples of these pls?)

Ok Lets see how your science stack up against mine!

First I need to know how Islam recognizes animals which are only meat eaters, what are their characteristics? Then I will give you an example of the kind of animal that is... like I said.. meat eating look-a-like (no kidding) there are such animals.. so let me know how Islam would distinguish carnivores / herbivores or omnivores.. so we'll continue this discussion after that ok!

please read what i asked here
you said
you din say its a sin according to buddism unless they lie aboout it, and you knew wat i was talking about.

Wal Bada also has provided an answer in the above post, I'm not going to waste my time saying the same thing!

its part of the belief, judgment day just like "nivana" is part of buddists belief

So this whole sexual misconduct issue shouldn't really be an issue for you!

Its clear what Lord Buddha has mentioned, if you are married stay away as simple as that.. because odds are that you will almost certainly screw things up for you and for your family and for all your loved ones!