KFC.... is Haram!

[Wal Bada]

the actual reason why muslims dont eat pork is simple... "its prohabited in islam"

the reason for the prohabitaion is the issue going on arguing between belivers and non-belivers. There is a thing in islam, that if i dont know something correctly not to say about it to others. I dont hav a complete answer to solve the prohabitation reasoning problem, that would solve the questions in non-belivers mind. The reason i hav in my mind is enough for a muslim to stop eat pork. And that same reason wont satisfy you for sure. Because that reason contains some spiritual part mixed.

Yes, fine. That's Muslim persons choice (or Allah's choice for a Muslim). It's fine unless you are not interfering with others (non-musllims) right to eat pork, or discoraging them by posting disgusting pictures or facts (some of them made up). I am against people who are against other people's right of what to eat.

so if the animal was killed for someothers need and u get a chance to eat unexpectedly. is it allowed dude? but in islam if somthing is prohabited then its prohabited upto the exception which islam says.

Now the biggest diffenece between Islam and Buddhism is Buddhism does not prohibit any thing for a lay person (of course there are limitations for the clergy). Now meat in super market, is it killed for me? who knows? According to Buddhism there should be five things to complete the sin of killing.

1. Knowing the animal is live
2. Intention of killing the animal
3. Planning for a method to kill
4. Carrying out the deed of killing
5. Animal actually getting killed.

Now how does buying meat from the shop equate to the sin of killing according to above 5 things?

 

[Wal Bada]

Hi everyone,

Wal Bada quoted: "There is no boundries for food in Buddhism. Only thing is you should not crave or hate a particular food. Eat what you have, or eat what you can buy. Buddha said not to eat flesh if that animal was specifically killed for a certain person."

My answer : In other words you prefer eating dead animal meat(You must wait until the animal dies to eat it). You may know better than me that when most animals die, their meat is much less healthier to consume and most of the time dangerous for health (They present deseases in the flesh).

Islam has a practical solution to eat meat, that is to slaughter and eat fresh meat when you wish.

Answr is what ever method you use, the animal is dead when you eat it.

Then, Buddhism allows consuming animal products if the animal is not specifically killed for you. Ex. you go over to the shop and point at a fat turkey and tell "I'll have that one"

 

[rudayas]

KFC kiyanne mokakda oi ???????????????

 

[Wal Bada]

Hahahaa.. Dosthara katha hithata.. oh sorry waradunaa dosthara Honda Hithata maath Ekka mala paninna awashsha nahaney Mr...
Haram Kiyanney Swa-bawikawama Marune nathi, Islam wala kiyala Deela thiyena widiyata kapala nathi saththunge maswalataney.. (Namuth poduwe Haram kiyanney Thahanam karana Lada kiyana Ekatai..) samaharawita Dosthara mahaththaya meywa dannawa wennath puluwan mai hithey...

ok.. ara Rajawaru Hitan Kawe Halal A'wa bawa nam mama hithanawa boho durata hari Athi.. mokada Ara kawdo kattiyak set wela Raja waasaleyta Haram Mas Ekak Dunna Kiyalaney Adatath Rodiyo kiyala set Ekak namata hari inney...

mama aheney mama boru kiwwaiy kiyana eky theyruma MAKKADA kiyalai..
mama hithanney Dosthara mahaththata maath Ekka ara Parana tharaha thaama thiyenawada koheda... mama ahuwe ara theread eka kohomada kiyalaney.. mokada Dosthara unaa kiyala bus root kiyana Eke waraddak nahaney.. A'ka anith ayata help Ekataney kiyanney..

ara hawasa ahuwa wage Gigulihiniyo ukussu wagey unwa Api kanney naha unwa kana eka Islam Eke Haram (thahanam). a'kata elysiyenma bala ganna puluwan kramey thamai kakulen paagala erala kana paksheen kanna tahanam..

mama 4to Eken pennuwe Halal nowana Chicken Ekata example ekak thamai..
A'kiyanney swabavikawama marunu kukulmas kanna apita baha kiyana ekatai.. samaharu yami yami gaapu nisai.. EK halal perethayo athi wenna ho nathi wennaho o'ne naha mage reply ekakin.. A'ka bala ganna puluwan ada Ara girl kenekda koheda EK Eke daala thibunu Kawda EK eke vegitarian? kiyana ekata deela thibunu replys walinma ehemaneyda?

Thanks for that info on Vultures. Bohoma kamathiyi Quaran eke e gana kiyala thiyena kotasata link ekak damma nam.

Now you should realize that I am not against Muslims eating Halal meat. I am against that you try to prove that Halal chicken is better than non-Halal ones to non Muslims, which is a moronic exercise. And one who started this thread is one of the bigger fools because he has posted about KFC in Finland or somewhere, not in SL.

Moda katha kiyanne nathuwa post ekak awabida karaganna baluwoth hondayi.

 

[gazaly]

Thanks for that info on Vultures. Bohoma kamathiyi Quaran eke e gana kiyala thiyena kotasata link ekak damma nam.

ur welcome... mata oyata dennata thiyenney uththarey mehemai.. "sura mere Majjapamadhattanaa weramee Sikkhapadan Samaadiyaamee" meyke surawe kisima Brand Ekak gana kiyala nahaney.. poduwe kiyana wachanyak namuth A'ka oya theyrum gannawaney brand eka monawa unath surawa kiyana dey adanguinam A'kath meykata adaalai kiyalaa.. so A'wageymai Al Kuran Eketh Poduwema kiyala thiyenney Hala Ekai Haram Ekai Api Pahadile karala thiyenney Kiyala so Ethakota api Prhophet Muhammed ge word Eken balanney A'kata monawada wiwaranaya kiyalaa.. A'ka katha karanna giyama loku subject Ekak.. oyata puluwan Danagannama O'nemanam langama thanakin (maulawi)kenekugen fullma wisthare dana gannata.. mama hithanawa samaharawita kamathinam oya yannath puluwan A'ka dana gannata..

menna Haram Halal gana Al kur aan Eke Ena wachan tikak....

“O ye who believe! Eat of the good things wherewith We have provided you,    and render thanks to Allah if it is (indeed) He whom ye worship” (2:172).
  
  “He hath forbidden you only carrion, and blood, and swineflesh, and that    which hath been immolated to (the name of) any other than Allah. But he who    is driven by necessity, neither craving nor transgressing, it is no sin for    him. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful” (2:173).
  
  “O ye who believe! Fulfill your undertakings.The beast of cattle is made    lawful unto you (for food) except that which is announced unto you (herein),    game being unlawful when ye are on pilgrimage. Lo! Allah ordaineth that which    pleaseth Him” (5:1)
  
  “Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swine-flesh, and    that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled,    and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and    that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild    beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death-stroke), and that which    hath been immolated unto idols.
  
  And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination.    This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion;    so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and    completed My favour unto you and have chosen for you as religion Al-Islam. Whoso    is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving,    Merciful” (5:3)
  
  “They ask thee (O Muhammad) what is made lawful for them. Say: (all) good    things are made lawful for you. And those beasts and birds of prey which ye    have trained as hounds are trained, ye teach them that which Allah taught you;    so eat of that which they catch for you and mention Allah's name upon it, and    observe your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is swift to take account” (5:4)
  
  “This day are (all) good things made lawful for you. The food of those    who have received the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for    them. And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women    of those who received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when ye give    them their marriage portions and liven with them in honour, not in fornication,    nor taking them as secret concubines. Whoso denieth the faith, his work is vain    and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter” (5:5).
  
  “And eat not of that whereon Allah's name hath not been mentioned, for    lo! it is abomination. Lo! the devils do inspire their minions to dispute with    you. But if ye obey them, ye will be in truth idolaters” (6:121).
  
  [B]From the Hadith [/B]
  
  -On the authority of Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him), who said:    The Messenger of Allah said: “Allah the Almighty is good and accepts only    that which is good. Allah has commanded the Faithful to do that which He commanded    the Messengers, and the Almighty has said: “O ye Messengers! Eat of the    good things, and do right..” (Quran 23:51). And Allah the Almighty has    said: “O ye who believe! Eat of the good things wherewith We have provided    you..” (2:172). Then he mentioned [the case of] a man who, having journeyed    far, is disheveled and dusty and who spreads out his hands to the sky [saying]:    O Lord! O Lord!-while his food is unlawful, his drink is unlawful, his clothing    unlawful, and he is nourished unlawfully, so how can he be answered!” (Muslim).
  
  -On the authority of Abu Ya'la Shahddad ibn Aus, the Messenger of Allah said:    “Verily Allah has prescribed proficiency in all things. Thus, if you kill,    kill well; and if you slaughter, slaughter well. Let each one of you sharpen    his blade and let him spare suffering to the animal he slaughters” (Muslim).
  
  -In an incident narrated by Rafi' bin Khadij, the Prophet told Muslims who wanted    to slaughter some animals using reeds, “Use whatever causes blood to flow,    and eat the animals if the Name of Allah has been mentioned on slaughtering    them...” (Bukhari).
  
  -Narrated Abu Thalaba: Allah's Messenger forbade the eating of the meat of beasts    having fangs (Bukhari).
  
  -Narrated Ibn Umar: The Prophet cursed the one who did Muthla to an animal (i.e.    cut its limbs or some other part of its body while it is still alive (Bukhari).

Now you should realize that I am not against Muslims eating Halal meat. I am against that you try to prove that Halal chicken is better than non-Halal ones to non Muslims, which is a moronic exercise. And one who started this thread is one of the bigger fools because he has posted about KFC in Finland or somewhere, not in SL.

oya muslimlata against da nadda kiyana eka newei mama nam kiyanney...Halal nowana Eka Kanna eppa kiyala kiyanney Muslimlatai nathuwa Hala Haram balanney nathi Muslim nowana ayata newei..

KFC chicken Haram wenney Iirland wala UK walanam.. A'ka Ehe Muslimlata dena News Ekak.. Mokada EK eketh Innawaney A' kiyana ratawalwalin EK ena Muslimla.. so Eyalata A'ka watinawa.. A'ka oya Hithanna eppa oyata kiwwa deyak A'ken Thread Eka patan gaththu Kena balanney Mulu EK Ekatama Halal kama Kawanna Kiyala Hithanawanam A'ka waradi...

Moda katha kiyanne nathuwa post ekak awabida karaganna baluwoth hondayi.

moda katha kiyala oya koi ekatada kiyanney...

 

[RajNOX]

Yes, fine. That's Muslim persons choice (or Allah's choice for a Muslim). It's fine unless you are not interfering with others (non-musllims) right to eat pork, or discoraging them by posting disgusting pictures or facts (some of them made up). I am against people who are against other people's right of what to eat.

so y u people(im not telling about you.) are against of what we eat?

Now the biggest diffenece between Islam and Buddhism is Buddhism does not prohibit any thing for a lay person (of course there are limitations for the clergy).

Now meat in super market, is it killed for me? who knows? According to Buddhism there should be five things to complete the sin of killing.

1. Knowing the animal is live
2. Intention of killing the animal
3. Planning for a method to kill
4. Carrying out the deed of killing
5. Animal actually getting killed.

Now how does buying meat from the shop equate to the sin of killing according to above 5 things?

doesn't make sense. you telling buying meat from stall doesn't make a sin, but killing by our self does?.

 

[Kalegana]

only in UK and Irerland!!

 

[gazaly]

only in UK and Irerland!!

ow ow machan.. A'ratawal wala Inna Muslimlata A'ka honda News Ekaney...

 

[freon]

Thanks for that info on Vultures. Bohoma kamathiyi Quaran eke e gana kiyala thiyena kotasata link ekak damma nam.

Now you should realize that I am not against Muslims eating Halal meat. I am against that you try to prove that Halal chicken is better than non-Halal ones to non Muslims, which is a moronic exercise. And one who started this thread is one of the bigger fools because he has posted about KFC in Finland or somewhere, not in SL.

Moda katha kiyanne nathuwa post ekak awabida karaganna baluwoth hondayi.

buddy ppl have their own idea's, individually and collectively.muslims consider hala and haram and its info for them..why should you bother if you think its not for you??
there are lot of ppl here from UK and ireland

 

[sri_lion]

so y u people(im not telling about you.) are against of what we eat?

Aren't we the ones who should be asking that question from you?

doesn't make sense. you telling buying meat from stall doesn't make a sin, but killing by our self does?.

YES! That's exactly what he says!

 

[freon]

Aren't we the ones who should be asking that question from you?
YES! That's exactly what he says!

so that mean buddists are just as others, only what they dont do is kill and if others do it for them they will have no problem with it?

 

[sri_lion]

so that mean buddists are just as others, only what they dont do is kill and if others do it for them they will have no problem with it?

Ofcourse not! It is very simple... if you kill then you SIN!

You cannot be sinned for eating dead meat!!

 

[freon]

Ofcourse not! It is very simple... if you kill then you SIN!

You cannot be sinned for eating dead meat!!

Say if u see someone else killing, or hear the noise of killing? is that ok to eat then?

 

[sri_lion]

Say if u see someone else killing, or hear the noise of killing? is that ok to eat then?

Well.. it depends... According to Buddhism, if you request the kill then you are guilty! If not the person who's killing will be sinned!

 

[Aragorn]

yummy i lovee KFC

 

[freon]

Well.. it depends... According to Buddhism, if you request the kill then you are guilty! If not the person who's killing will be sinned!

yeah thats what i wanted to know, about the guilt.

According to what i learnt there should be a demand for a business to survive.now if a person goes to a shop and buys a product its a request for more production. thus encouragement to kill..so doesnt the consumer's guilt makes him sinned?

how can you seperate this from: if you kill you sin, if the butcher does you dont?

if a buddist want to consume chicken all he needs to think is "i din kill this" and thats perfectly fine?

 

[sri_lion]

yeah thats what i wanted to know, about the guilt.

According to what i learnt there should be a demand for a business to survive.now if a person goes to a shop and buys a product its a request for more production. thus encouragement to kill..so doesnt the consumer's guilt makes him sinned?

how can you seperate this from: if you kill you sin, if the butcher does you dont?

if a buddist want to consume chicken all he needs to think is "i din kill this" and thats perfectly fine?

There's no such thing as indirect SIN either you SIN or you dont!

If I'm the killer of the animal I'm doing it for the money.. that is greed, is it fair for you to be labeled as a sinner for my greed? When I kill an animal I have a choice of not to kill that animal but I do it anyway because I want the money!

Consumer buy the product just as they would buy any other product, if meat is not there anymore they'll buy something else!

 

[Heshanck93]

wats halal?????
btw read diz http://www.kfc.co.uk/faqs/#15

 

[freon]

There's no such thing as indirect SIN either you SIN or you dont!

If I'm the killer of the animal I'm doing it for the money.. that is greed, is it fair for you to be labeled as a sinner for my greed? When I kill an animal I have a choice of not to kill that animal but I do it anyway because I want the money!

Consumer buy the product just as they would buy any other product, if meat is not there anymore they'll buy something else!

ok so if a buddist thinks:

i like to eat chicken but i cant kill, butcher needs money i got it. so if i give him he'll do the killing and give me chicken.

great plan both satisfied.thats fine as you say? wont this make the society deviate from buddisms core teachings? ie "Do not kill. This is sometimes translated as "not harming" or an absence of violence"

can a buddist apply this to everything?

IE: a guy wants to have sex, a married lady wants it from someone else than her husband. if this guy sleeps with her it want be a problem to him but she will be sinning?

 

[sri_lion]

ok so if a buddist thinks:

i like to eat chicken but i cant kill, butcher needs money i got it. so if i give him he'll do the killing and give me chicken.

great plan both satisfied.thats fine as you say? wont this make the society deviate from buddisms core teachings? ie "Do not kill. This is sometimes translated as "not harming" or an absence of violence"

can a buddist apply this to everything?

IE: a guy wants to have sex, a married lady wants it from someone else than her husband. if this guy sleeps with her it want be a problem to him but she will be sinning?

Dont get mixed up here.. Buddhism clearly states how you can get SINNED for killing an Animal like Wal Bada posted in this thread before... you need to fulfill 5 criteria in order for you to be SINNED.

Here it is:

1. Knowing the animal is live
2. Intention of killing the animal
3. Planning for a method to kill
4. Carrying out the deed of killing
5. Animal actually getting killed.

You can apply all situations here... lets take yours.. I'm going to the butcher asking for meat so...

1. I know the Animal is alive and he is going to kill it for me
2. And I intend to get the meat by killing it
3. My plan is to use the Butcher to kill the Animal
4. Butcher successfully execute his action / plan of killing the animal which also fulfills my plan
5. Animal getting killed by that plan

So in this situation Butcher and me both are SINNED!!!

Now lets take a look at day to day scenario!

I'm walking into a Supermarket I buy grocery and go to the MEAT SHELF and just get myself a whole chicken

But then how can I be sinned the very 1st rule has not been broken.. the animal is already dead!

So please understand that what you and I talking about is completely 2 different scenarios!