KFC.... is Haram!

[freon]

Dont get mixed up here.. Buddhism clearly states how you can get SINNED for killing an Animal like Wal Bada posted in this thread before... you need to fulfill 5 criteria in order for you to be SINNED.

Here it is:

1. Knowing the animal is live
2. Intention of killing the animal
3. Planning for a method to kill
4. Carrying out the deed of killing
5. Animal actually getting killed.

You can apply all situations here... lets take yours.. I'm going to the butcher asking for meat so...

1. I know the Animal is alive and he is going to kill it for me
2. And I intend to get the meat by killing it
3. My plan is to use the Butcher to kill the Animal
4. Butcher successfully execute his action / plan of killing the animal which also fulfills my plan
5. Animal getting killed by that plan

So in this situation Butcher and me both are SINNED!!!

Now lets take a look at day to day scenario!

I'm walking into a Supermarket I buy grocery and go to the MEAT SHELF and just get myself a whole chicken

But then how can I be sinned the very 1st rule has not been broken.. the animal is already dead!

So please understand that what you and I talking about is completely 2 different scenarios!

yeah i understand, two senarios one gives a buddist to enjoy a good chicken dish without any problem while other one makes his a sinner.and in this market based economy he dosnt need to point to anything, it'll be already in the shelf.

so what about the other issues? can a buddist always find a way to get what he wants still being inside the line? like in the example of guy sleeping with a married women

 

[sri_lion]

yeah i understand, two senarios one gives a buddist to enjoy a good chicken dish without any problem while other one makes his a sinner.and in this market based economy he dosnt need to point to anything, it'll be already in the shelf.

so what about the other issues? can a buddist always find a way to get what he wants still being inside the line? like in the example of guy sleeping with a married women

Dude if you know someone is already married then ofcourse it is wrong, if you does not know then how can you be sinned for something you have no control over, with whomever I have sex with how can I be sure that person is married or not, are you saying that before having sex I should torture the person till that person spit out the truth? (wow that will lead to some wild sex afterwards!! )

 

[freon]

Dude if you know someone is already married then ofcourse it is wrong, if you does not know then how can you be sinned for something you have no control over, with whomever I have sex with how can I be sure that person is married or not, are you saying that before having sex I should torture the person till that person spit out the truth? (wow that will lead to some wild sex afterwards!! )

k thats if you do not know..

what if you knew? i mean the guy has sinned according to buddism?

if so why? cos buddism says having sex before marriage is a sin?
or sleeping with a married women is a sin according to buddism?
or you saying its wrong cos everyone will agree and thats common sense?

if possible break down your answer like you did for the killing.

 

[RajNOX]

Aren't we the ones who should be asking that question from you?

hikz.. who are the ones who is against to eat beef... lolz

anyhow, the one who ask the question frm me.. is the one who said...

Originally Posted by Wal Bada
Yes, fine. That's Muslim persons choice (or Allah's choice for a Muslim). It's fine unless you are not interfering with others (non-musllims) right to eat pork, or discoraging them by posting disgusting pictures or facts (some of them made up). I am against people who are against other people's right of what to eat.

wht i cant understand is why do you people hav more than one religious aspect toward a problem even though both are in same religion.

YES! That's exactly what he says!

doesnt it seems foolish can eat meat but cant kill them to eat..

 

[RajNOX]

sorry sri lion i coudn't continue the reply sessions in past threads, as im having ma semester finals..

deffa i will.. when these exams gets over...

 

[sri_lion]

k thats if you do not know..

what if you knew? i mean the guy has sinned according to buddism?

if so why? cos buddism says having sex before marriage is a sin?
or sleeping with a married women is a sin according to buddism?
or you saying its wrong cos everyone will agree and thats common sense?

if possible break down your answer like you did for the killing.

If you do know that person you having sex with is a married person then ofcourse it is not right!

Lord Buddha mentions this as sexual mis-conduct in Dhammapada (Nirayavagga Chapter) he mentions the reason's why..

Four misfortunes befall a heedless man who commits adultery:

1. Acquisition of demerit,
2. Disturbed state of mind
3. Blame
4. State of woe

Also leads it to Lies (which is also a sin), Dishonesty and ultimately effecting the balanced structure of the whole family.. so having a relationship with already married person has dire consequences, thus considered a sin!

 

[.:Debian:.]

ammata siri

 

[sri_lion]

hikz.. who are the ones who is against to eat beef... lolz

anyhow, the one who ask the question frm me.. is the one who said...

Buddhist can eat anything, as long as they dont kill.. you gotta come out of the BOX (or should I say the BOOK ) and understand that a human EATING meat and killing is totally 2 different aspects!

doesnt it seems foolish can eat meat but cant kill them to eat..

Already answered to freon, go read them!

Ofcourse it might sound stupid if you are used live your life as told by some BOOK!

 

[Wal Bada]

buddy ppl have their own idea's, individually and collectively.muslims consider hala and haram and its info for them..why should you bother if you think its not for you??
there are lot of ppl here from UK and ireland

Don't step on your tail mate. This is not related religous posts

 

[Wal Bada]

doesn't make sense. you telling buying meat from stall doesn't make a sin, but killing by our self does?.

Yes. Intention of killing is not there.

 

[Wal Bada]

so that mean buddists are just as others, only what they dont do is kill and if others do it for them they will have no problem with it?

If they kill an animal just for me I have a problem. If it is killed for a annonymous person I don't have a problem.

 

[x-pert]

Halal or Haram I really don't have a problem with swallowing any meat which is tasty

The problem is with the religions. Yes, religionS.

Every religion do have a clause to justify things.
Personally I believe every religion is being added, modified throughout the years to meet the needs of people - the need of tasting meat in this case.

Buddhism: Allows eating meat if you don't fulfil the 5 requirements of doing a sin.
Islam: Allows eating meat, if Halal.
Christianity: Says nothing at all.

Personally I believe killing an animal is bad.
Intentionally or unintentionally.
Intentionally means you kill the animal to eat. Unintentionally means you just buy meat and eat. In any way you eat meat and to do that at least somebody has to kill an animal.

Edit: So the conclusion is: No matter how you call it, you do a bad thing by eating someone else's meat. Hunted or bought and cooked.
Again I personally enjoy any meat. Because I'm just good as you

 

[shivantha17]

WTF

 

[Thanu]

only uk and Ireland

 

[Juziers]

That's not the point, the point is why Allah made a straight remark with regard to PORK being HARAM which is a far lesser devil than Tobacco? What's the logic in it?

Firstly, consuming pork is not forcibly rendered Haram(proscribed) because it's devil. Moreover, it's a matter of worship(for muslims) to avoid what's proscribed and to consume what's allowed(halal). Having said that, you may find certain rational inconveniences in consuming pork which the modernday scientists have discovered( this doesn't mean that you'll die when eating pork). But, the major reason of our(muslims) abstention remains the order of Allah.(Now you may take it however you want)



Why not? He is the creator of every element that effects every other element (including all living beings) in this world... so how can he just back away from responsibility???

If his creation is weak then its the weakness of the creator too, that's simple logic for you!

When we(muslims) say the word CREATOR, that means EVERYTHING the humans know(Earth and it's inner nature and all the natural mechanism of it that has been created, the universe with it's vastness that man has discovered only a dip of it etc), the things that we still don't know(things we'll discover in the future), and the things we'll never know( how to create and give life to a fly, create soul etc).

When you observe the perfect harmony of your body (the eyes, the mouth, the nose, the arms, the legs at their best possible place ; Exact quatity of homoglobines and other components of the inner body etc), the perfect harmony of nature (Amount of oxygen, the oceans, the lands, the raining process, wildlife etc), any person can only observe the perfectness of the CREATOR behind them.

 

[gazaly]

Don't step on your tail mate. This is not related religous posts

hehe A'kaney kiyanney dosthata mahaththayoo.. meykai wenasa..oya hithan inney aagama kiyanney maseta sarayak... hmmm naha mehema kiyamuko sathiyata sarayak ehemath naththan dawasata kihipa welawak ehemath naththanm aagamika siddasthanayakata giyoth or a'wai inna loku aya(aagamika naayakayin) dakkamak eyala kiyana deywal ahan innakotai witharai Islam kiyala.. haha ehenam oyatai dosthara mahaththayo waradune... Islam kiyanney kenek epaduna eke inadala Eya marena kan Inna life eke hama awasthawakama hama deyma kiyala dena Jeewana kramayak.. so A'kai A'kta neethi hadala kiyalathiyenney.. mehema gamuko.. udeyta oyath dath madinawa mamath dath madinawa.. a'ke wenasak naha a'lowkika awashsha thawayedi.. namuth islam kiyala deela thiyenawa dath madina kramaye inadlama.. (ara normally doctersla kiyaladenawa wage) a'wage balanakota hamadeyma wage kiyalathiyenney kanna o'ne monawada, naththey nonawada, yanney enney,a'wageyma deyshapalaney, meywage hamadeyma so oyata a'ka samanya deyak waradinaha.. a'kai oya a'ka Riligeuos deyak widiyata dakinney naththey but muslimlata kiyala thiyenney haram halal gana hoyaloa balala kanna kiyala so Ireland wala UK wala ayata(muslimlata)a'ka honda news ekak ..echcharai.. ithin a'ke oaya maaalokuwta wicharaya karanna deyak naha.. api apey aagama paththeyn a'dey gana hithanawa oya ta nikan wadak nathi news ekak wenawa.. echcharai...

 

[RajNOX]

Buddhist can eat anything, as long as they dont kill.. you gotta come out of the BOX (or should I say the BOOK ) and understand that a human EATING meat and killing is totally 2 different aspects!

marannathuwa kanawanam marichcha ewa thama kanna oni... naththam marannathuwa amuwen kanna oni..
there are no two aspect.. if you wana eat meat then you should kill. it.. just a simple logic... why doest your words fit the logic..

Already answered to freon, go read them!

he he.. wht ever.. if u eat meat ---> you produce a demand ---> more product of meat...

ai meka therenne naththe.. wht a simple plan ekakda...

Ofcourse it might sound stupid if you are used live your life as told by some BOOK!

living the life according to a book of rules and regulations.
not according to some thoughts.. which may be followed or not..

 

[RajNOX]

Yes. Intention of killing is not there.

as i said before... the beef stall or the super market that u r buying beef (or some meat) is selling them as you are producing a demand for it. and wht evr said.. just think like this..

you go to a relations place. they giv you chicken for lunch. and if you eat that means your consumption made them decrease the qty of chicken they hav in their house.. so they gona buy new chicken sooner than if you havnt eat them. The demand is produced on the shop keeper for the chicken. so he kills a chicken.. doesnt this cycle includes you..

and sri-singhaya.. im expectng a comment on this...

 

[Dr.zaji]

yahh raj i agree with u, most KFC things are haram

 

[RajNOX]

WTF

wot u wana f*** abt this??