Killing Animals and HALAL

wizkido

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x-pert said:
Why bother about the religions... ??????

All the religions tell us to do the correct thing....

Neither tell us to kill people, rob others, tell lies... etc.. aint it..??

So whats the point of talking about a concept called religions.

I never was a catholic by my knowledge, Nabil or Fazal isn't a Musalman by their knowledge, Rapa and my girl dint become buddhists by their knowledge...

We all got our religions by our parents... and they all tell us to do the correct thing...

After referring the bible I realised catholic is the best, but after I meet my girl friend I used to read buddhist stuff as well. The only I realised all are almost same... Islam is also another religion.. that's it..

No point talking about their rituals and stuff... its their choice.


Ever head of thing called "Don't take anything to the face value?":confused:

Following your faith just because you parents ask/ did so is just as same that you would jump into an Ice hole, because you FATHER DID SO ??:confused: :confused:

I beg to differ !

Faith is your choice ! not because your heredity asks you so !:eek:
 

wizkido

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I thought

Muslim and Christianity is a Religion which enforces people to follow what their bible or Quran tells them

but Buddhism is a Choice ! as if like., HERE'S THE WAY., TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT YOUR CHOICE ?
 

gazaly

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Muslims la kiyanne machan ee satha wada widinne nathuwa eka paratama maruwama Halal kiyala

ee para mama ahuwa fish wala ee wage problem ekak nadda kiyala

nahalu

mama ahuwa maalu daelakata hari nathnam bili piththakata hari ahu wunama un kochchara wada widalada marenne kiyala

ee para uu kiyanawa pothe kiyala thiyanne ohoma thamalu
O'kata Uththara denna puluwan Danmama.... Namuth mama kamathi naha nikan boruwata Methana Prashna Athikarannata.... Katha karanawanam O'na kenek gana Honda naraka Katha karanna puluwan... Api (Muslimla.Christiani Aya wagey..aya) aagam kaarayo hariney...ithin aagamak Devikenek Padanam karagena thiyena Deyak... Darshanayak Manussayek Padanam karagena thiyena deyak... Ithin Oya Dekeyma Adahas 1 haa samana wenna baha.. mokada... Manushshathwayai Deywathwayai kiyanney Ahasa Polawa wagey Duras Adahas walin... A'nisaa Aagam kaarayo atharey Thiyena adahas wenaskam wagey newei Darshna wadeen ,Aagam waadin Atharey thiyena Adahas wenaskam...
A'kata Hondama Wadey Api Oya Gana Katha Nokara Emu...

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chamithal

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hmmm........ well! I only do sm simple thinking... If you honestly believe tht wht u r doing is ok.. do it.. n vice versa :D
 

ifadh132

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dude this is total misunderstanding..it aint suppose to be like this...dude this will lead into serious probz...so becareful with wat u talk.....
 

Wal Bada

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    Wrong comment...

    Jesus Christ was a man who wore a red color or may be a redish color robe. Not Yellow.
    Two wrong comments. Robe of buddhist monks is also condiered to be reddish-orange (see the robe of monks in Madakada Aaranyaya, Ingiriya), which is colered using Jak roots. Jak root extracts are dark red brown in color
     

    uhox

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    he he gazaly buwa..

    wiriththuwata wedak nehe..

    Islam agame satthunta respect karanawada?

    oya sattu maramin ritual karanne ...athal gannada banz :lol: :lol:

    thawa liyanna puluwan unath liyanna yanne nehe me elakiriforum eke thenata respect karala. Kohoma unath yudew buwala ekka game eka clear karaganilla. Neth nam oyalata "ALLAH" gema pihitai :yes:

    methana baila dodawanne nethuwa ara palastine wala, Iraq wala oyage "muslim" brothers la marana eka gena public forum walata liyanna. Ai bayada Israel MOSSAD ekata..lolzzz

    :-)
     
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    uhox said:
    Islam agame satthunta respect karanawada?

    oya sattu maramin ritual karanne ...athal gannada banz :lol: :lol:
    :-)
    Respect karanawa :)

    Saththu marala aathal ganta puluwanda?? :rolleyes: :lol: :lol:

    Saththu maranne kanta oiy :D

    uhox said:
    thawa liyanna puluwan unath liyanna yanne nehe me elakiriforum eke thenata respect karala. Kohoma unath yudew buwala ekka game eka clear karaganilla. Neth nam oyalata "ALLAH" gema pihitai :yes:
    Oya liyapu tikama hondatoama athi :D

    Thawa tika dawaseng yudew buwalama clear wey :lol: :lol:

    Kohomath muslimsta "ALLAH" gema pihita thama hema daama :yes: :D

    uhox said:
    methana baila dodawanne nethuwa ara palastine wala, Iraq wala oyage "muslim" brothers la marana eka gena public forum walata liyanna. Ai bayada Israel MOSSAD ekata..lolzzz

    :-)

    Public forum wala liyawwa kiyala Mozart ekeng allanne nae, ae nisaa baya wenta deyak nae :P :lol: :lol:
     

    gazaly

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    uhox said:
    methana baila dodawanne nethuwa ara palastine wala, Iraq wala oyage "muslim" brothers la marana eka gena public forum walata liyanna. Ai bayada Israel MOSSAD ekata..lolzzz

    Kawda ban Unta baya Bayanam Mama Iraq wala War Ekata yanawada.. Ado 2 years Ehe Indalai Dan Mehe Inney...

    Ado Balapan Api Baya naha Mokekutawath Umba Aluth Ekek A'kai Umba Adakala Naththey Api Open Ekema Unta Banala Dana Post.. Onna Tikak thiyenawaa balaganin Dammey kawadada kiyalaa Date 1th Ekkama...

    Crime of US Soldiers

    Lies, lies, lies 9-11 (Final cut!)
    Now in Iraq
    Israeli digging under Al-Aqsa Mosque in occupied Jerusalem

    Onna thiyenawa samaharak A'wa.... Api Ponnayo newei Apye Jathiyata Gahanakota Balagena Innai.. Guti kakaa Unta P*ka Dennai...!!!
    Umba Oya Bayawena Hena wada kaarayo kiyala Hithan Inna CIA/FBI ekath mama Face karala thiyenawaa.. :yes: :yes: Unlanga magey Vistharath Athi...!!! Api Baya naha ban...!!:yes: :yes: :yes:

    uhox said:
    Neth nam oyalata "ALLAH" gema pihitai
    Anith Eka Machan Umba Kiyanna O'ney naha Apita Api Dannawa Apita ALLAH Deviyangey Pihita thamai... Nathuwa galaka, gahaka pihitak nahaney...:D :D


    shanX said:
    Saththu maranne kanta oiy :D
    A'kaney Machan Saththu maranney Kanna ney.... :yes: :lol: :lol: Nathuwa Balan Inna Neweiney :yes: :yes: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
     

    emes

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    Dear Friend ,The story you are telling me about how muslims kill animals is very much alien to muslims. you have got some wrong info.

    The Islamic method of slaughtering animals, known as Zabiha has been the object of much criticism from a large number of people.

    Before I reply to the question, let me relate an incidence about a discussion between a Sikh and a Muslim regarding animal slaughter.

    Once a Sikh asked a Muslim, "Why do you slaughter the animal painfully by cutting the throat instead of the way we do with one stroke i.e. jhatka?" The Muslim replied "We are brave and courageous and attack from the front. We are marad ka baccha (macho men), you are cowards and attack from behind".

    Jokes apart, one may consider the following points, which prove that the Zabiha method is not only humane but also scientifically the best:


    1. Islamic method of slaughtering animal


    Zakkaytum is a verb derived from the root word Zakah (to purify). Its infinitive is Tazkiyah which means purification. The Islamic mode of slaughtering an animal requires the following conditions to be met:

    a. Animal should be slaughtered with sharp object (knife)

    The animal has to be slaughtered with a sharp object (knife) and in a fast way so that the pain of slaughter is minimised.

    b. Cut wind pipe, throat and vessels of neck

    Zabiha is an Arabic word which means ‘slaughtered’. The ‘slaughtering’ is to be done by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord.

    c. Blood should be drained

    The blood has to be drained completely before the head is removed. The purpose is to drain out most of the blood which would serve as a good culture medium for micro organisms. The spinal cord must not be cut because the nerve fibres to the heart could be damaged during the process causing cardiac arrest, stagnating the blood in the blood vessels.




    2. Blood is a good medium for germs and bacteria


    Blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. Therefore the Muslim way of slaughtering is more hygienic as most of the blood containing germs, bacteria, toxins, etc. that are the cause of several diseases are eliminated.

    3. Meat remains fresh for a longer time


    Meat slaughtered by Islamic way remains fresh for a longer time due to deficiency of blood in the meat as compared to other methods of slaughtering.

    4. Animal does not feel pain


    The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerve of the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. While dying, the animal struggles, writhers, shakes and kicks, not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles defecient in blood and due to the flow of blood out of the body.
     

    emes

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    ‘Vegetarianism’ is now a movement the world over. Many even associate it with animal rights. Indeed, a large number of people consider the consumption of meat and other non-vegetarian products to be a violation of animal rights.

    Islam enjoins mercy and compassion for all living creatures. At the same time Islam maintains that Allah has created the earth and its wondrous flora and fauna for the benefit of mankind. It is upto mankind to use every resource in this world judiciously, as a niyamat (Divine blessing) and amanat (trust) from Allah.

    Let us look at various other aspects of this argument.


    1. A Muslim can be a pure vegetarian


    A Muslim can be a very good Muslim despite being a pure vegetarian. It is not compulsory for a Muslim to have non-vegetarian food.


    2. Qur’an permits Muslims to have non-vegetarian food


    The Qur’an, however permits a Muslim to have non-vegetarian food. The following Qur’anic verses are proof of this fact:

    "O ye who believe! Fulfil (all) obligations. Lawful unto you (for food) are all four-footed animals with the exceptions named."
    [Al-Qur’an 5:1]

    "And cattle He has created for you (men): from them Ye derive warmth, and numerous benefits, And of their (meat) ye eat."
    [Al-Qur’an 16:5]

    "And in cattle (too) ye have an instructive example: From within their bodies We produce (milk) for you to drink; there are, in them, (besides), numerous (other) benefits for you; and of their (meat) ye eat."
    [Al-Qur’an 23:21]


    3. Meat is nutritious and rich in complete protein


    Non-vegetarian food is a good source of excellent protein. It contains biologically complete protein i.e. all the 8 essential amino acid that are not synthesized by the body and should be supplied in the diet. Meat also contains iron, vitamin B1 and niacin.


    4. Humans have Omnivorous set of teeth


    If you observe the teeth of herbivorous animals like the cow, goat and sheep, you will find something strikingly similar in all of them. All these animals have a set of flat teeth i.e. suited for herbivorous diet. If you observe the set of teeth of the carnivorous animals like the lion, tiger, or leopard, they all have a set of pointed teeth i.e. suited for a carnivorous diet. If you analyze the set of teeth of humans, you find that they have flat teeth as well as pointed teeth. Thus they have teeth suited for both herbivorous as well as carnivorous food i.e. they are omnivorous. One may ask, if Almighty God wanted humans to have only vegetables, why did He provide us also with pointed teeth? It is logical that He expected us to need and to have both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food.


    5. Human beings can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food


    The digestive system of herbivorous animals can digest only vegetables. The digestive system of carnivorous animals can digest only meat. But the digestive system of humans can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food. If Almighty God wanted us to have only vegetables then why did He give us a digestive system that can digest both vegetarian as well as non-vegetarian food?


    6. Hindu scriptures give permission to have non-vegetarian food


    There are many Hindus who are strictly vegetarian. They think it is against their religion to consume non-vegetarian food. But the true fact is that the Hindu scriptures permit a person to have meat. The scriptures mention Hindu sages and saints consuming non-vegetarian food.


    It is mentioned in Manu Smruti, the law book of Hindus, in chapter 5 verse 30

    "The eater who eats the flesh of those to be eaten does nothing bad, even if he does it day after day, for God himself created some to be eaten and some to be eater."


    Again next verse of Manu Smruti, that is, chapter 5 verse 31 says

    "Eating meat is right for the sacrifice, this is traditionally known as a rule of the gods."


    Further in Manu Smruti chapter 5 verse 39 and 40 says

    "God himself created sacrificial animals for sacrifice, ...., therefore killing in a sacrifice is not killing."


    Mahabharata Anushashan Parva chapter 88 narrates the discussion between Dharmaraj Yudhishthira and Pitamah Bhishma about what food one should offer to Pitris (ancestors) during the Shraddha (ceremony of dead) to keep them satisfied. Paragraph reads as follows:

    "Yudhishthira said, "O thou of great puissance, tell me what that object is which, if dedicated to the Pitiris (dead ancestors), become inexhaustible! What Havi, again, (if offered) lasts for all time? What, indeed, is that which (if presented) becomes eternal?"

    "Bhishma said, "Listen to me, O Yudhishthira, what those Havis are which persons conversant with the rituals of the Shraddha (the ceremony of dead) regard as suitable in view of Shraddha and what the fruits are that attach to each. With sesame seeds and rice and barely and Masha and water and roots and fruits, if given at Shraddhas, the pitris, O king, remain gratified for the period of a month. With fishes offered at Shraddhas, the pitris remain gratified for a period of two months. With the mutton they remain gratified for three months and with the hare for four months, with the flesh of the goat for five months, with the bacon (meat of pig) for six months, and with the flesh of birds for seven. With venison obtained from those deer that are called Prishata, they remaingratified for eight months, and with that obtained from the Ruru for nine months, and with the meat of Gavaya for ten months, With the meat of the bufffalo their gratification lasts for eleven months. With beef presented at the Shraddha, their gratification, it is said , lasts for a full year. Payasa mixed with ghee is as much acceptable to the pitris as beef. With the meat of Vadhrinasa (a large bull) the gratification of pitris lasts for twelve years. The flesh of rhinoceros, offered to the pitris on anniversaries of the lunar days on which they died, becomes inexhaustible. The potherb called Kalaska, the petals of kanchana flower, and meat of (red) goat also, thus offered, prove inexhaustible.

    So but natural if you want to keep your ancestors satisfied forever, you should serve them the meat of red goat.


    7. Hinduism was influenced by other religions


    Though Hindu Scriptures permit its followers to have non-vegetarian food, many Hindus adopted the vegetarian system because they were influenced by other religions like Jainism.


    8. Even plants have life


    Certain religions have adopted pure vegetarianism as a dietary law because they are totally against the killing of living creatures. If a person can survive without killing any living creature, I would be the first person to adopt such a way of life. In the past people thought plants were lifeless. Today it is a universal fact that even plants have life. Thus their logic of not killing living creatures is not fulfilled even by being a pure vegetarian.


    9. Even plants can feel pain


    They further argue that plants cannot feel pain, therefore killing a plant is a lesser crime as compared to killing an animal. Today science tells us that even plants can feel pain. But the cry of the plant cannot be heard by the human being. This is due to the inability of the human ear to hear sounds that are not in the audible range i.e. 20 Hertz to 20,000 Hertz. Anything below and above this range cannot be heard by a human being. A dog can hear up to 40,000 Hertz. Thus there are silent dog whistles that have a frequency of more than 20,000 Hertz and less than 40,000 Hertz. These whistles are only heard by dogs and not by human beings. The dog recognizes the masters whistle and comes to the master. There was research done by a farmer in U.S.A. who invented an instrument which converted the cry of the plant so that it could be heard by human beings. He was able to realize immediately when the plant itself cried for water. Latest researches show that the plants can even feel happy and sad. It can also cry.


    10. Killing a living creature with two senses less is not a lesser crime


    Once a vegetarian argued his case by saying that plants only have two or three senses while the animals have five senses.

    Therefore killing a plant is a lesser crime than killing an animal. Suppose your brother is born deaf and dumb and has two senses less as compared to other human beings. He becomes mature and someone murders him. Would you ask the judge to give the murderer a lesser punishment because your brother has two senses less? In fact you would say that he has killed a masoom, an innocent person, and the judge should give the murderer a greater punishment.

    In fact the Qur’an says:

    "O ye people! Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good"
    [Al-Qur’an 2:168]


    11. Over population of cattle


    If every human being was a vegetarian, it would lead to overpopulation of cattle in the world, since their reproduction and multiplication is very swift. Allah (swt) in His Divine Wisdom knows how to maintain the balance of His creation appropriately. No wonder He has permitted us to have the meat of the cattle.


    12. Cost of meat is reasonable since all aren’t non-vegetarians


    I do not mind if some people are pure vegetarians. However they should not condemn non-vegetarians as ruthless. In fact if all Indians become non-vegetarians then the present non-vegetarians would be losers since the prices of meat would rise.
     

    emes

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    1. Only eating of herbivorous animals allowed


    I agree that, what a person eats has an effect on his behaviour. This is one of the reasons why Islam prohibits the eating of carnivorous animals like lion, tiger, leopard, etc. who are violent and ferocious. The consumption of the meat of such animals would probably make a person violent and ferocious. Islam only allows the eating of herbivorous animals like cow, goat, sheep, etc. that are peaceful and docile. We Muslims eat peaceful and docile animals because we are peace loving and non-violent people.


    2. The Qur’an says Prophet prohibits what is bad


    The Qur’an says:

    "The Prophet commands them what is just and prohibits what is evil". "He allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them what is bad (and impure),"
    [Al-Qur’an 7: 157]

    "So take what the Messenger assigns to you and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you."
    [Al-Qur’an 59: 7]

    For a Muslim, the Prophet’s statement is sufficient to convince him that Allah does not wish humans to eat some kinds of meat while allowing some other kinds.


    3. Hadith of Mohammad (pbuh) prohibiting eating of carnivorous animals

    According to various authentic Ahadith narrated in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim including hadith narrated by Ibn Abbas in Sahih Muslim, Book of hunting and slaughter, Hadith No. 4752 and Sunan Ibn-I-Majah chapter 13 Hadith no. 3232 to 3234, the Holy Prophet (pbuh) prohibited the eating of:

    Wild animals with canine teeth, i.e. meat eating carnivorous animals. These are animals belonging to the cat families such as lion, tiger, cats, dogs, wolfs, hyenas, etc.

    Certain rodents like mice, rats, rabbits with claws, etc.

    Certain reptiles like snakes, alligators, etc.

    Birds of prey with talons or claws, like vultures, eagle, crows, owl, etc.
     

    emes

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    The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well known. The following points explain various aspects of this prohibition:


    1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an



    The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.

    "Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah." [Al-Qur’an 5:3]

    The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why pork is forbidden.


    2. Pork prohibited in the Bible



    The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus

    "And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

    "Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."
    [Leviticus 11:7-8]

    Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy

    "And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass."
    [Deuteronomy 14:8]

    A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.


    3. Consumption of pork causes several diseases



    The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most dangerous is Taenia Solium, which is in lay man’s terminology called tapeworm. It harbours in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e. eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage. It can damage almost all the organs of the body.

    Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.


    4. Pork has fat building material

    Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans suffer from hypertension.


    5. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth


    The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared by pigs.

    Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy their own as well as their neighbour’s excreta.


    6. Pig is the most shameless animal


    The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife." If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs. We Indians look upon America to be very advanced and sophisticated. Whatever they do, we follow after a few years. According to an article in Island magazine, this practice of swapping wives has become common in the affluent circles of Bombay.