Killing? (mama meka baluwe na...oona kattiya balanna)

Mononoke

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I think people need to understand the difference between a murder, a Muslim who murders and a Muslim who murders in the name of Islam.
 

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I think people need to understand the difference between a murder, a Muslim who murders and a Muslim who murders in the name of Islam.
it is not allowed in islam to kill some one in the name of religion.becoz some people do that how can any1 blame the religion for that.
media is just highlighting only muslims.
 

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if any1 murederd another in the name of religion they defenietly pay for it in the next world.but how can u highlight it as its allowed in religion or as its doing by all muslims. and the video of zakir naik in this post shows how u misguide people. if any1 watch the original video can get to know what he is actually telling.
some kill in the name of love, some for money , some for post(politician), some for religion and u should condemn all.
 

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it is not allowed in islam to kill some one in the name of religion.becoz some people do that how can any1 blame the religion for that.
media is just highlighting only muslims.

Firstly, what ever you say matters very little to the people who kill in the name of Islam. Secondly, how can you claim that the kuran doesn't ask muslims to kill when there is stuff like this
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YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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YUSUFALI: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
PICKTHAL: Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.
SHAKIR: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
 
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then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

read well what u post.u can have the answer .
this verses revealed when they are in the battle field where non muslims came to fight.
also no any muslim went to kill those who reject prophet but all came to kill muhammed SAW because of his preching.
prophet lived in madina and all the nonmuslim army came to madina to kill him and they defend their self.if u take a map of battles happened during the time of prophet u can see that all the battles had happen around madina.
 

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    Mononoke can u please state from where did u referred these verses ?
    please states the website !!!:nerd:

    ~ no offense ok ~
     
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    I don't want to watch these videos; I've read articles and books on how they kill in the name of the religion. I wonder if this is a problem in all religions with the myth of a creator god. Christianity destroyed other cultures and civilizations as they expanded, killing those who didn't accept their religions. Muslims kill those who have a different faith AND those who have accepted their faith-usually poor, helpless females. Can you remember some time back there were several incidents of murdering women for having a baby out of wedlock? (In one case, the contestants withdrew from the miss universe pageant in protest but that didn't help.) Men go unpunished and the woman is killed, even when she has been raped. :no:
     

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    Mononoke can u please state from where did u referred these verses ?
    please states the website !!!:nerd:

    ~ no offense ok ~

    Sure, it is from the University of Southern California Middle eastern studies center. Here is the link. There three are version of the same verse to reflect the three major translations of the Ku'ran to English.
     
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    Mononoke

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    then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    read well what u post.u can have the answer .
    this verses revealed when they are in the battle field where non muslims came to fight.
    also no any muslim went to kill those who reject prophet but all came to kill muhammed SAW because of his preching.
    prophet lived in madina and all the nonmuslim army came to madina to kill him and they defend their self.if u take a map of battles happened during the time of prophet u can see that all the battles had happen around madina.

    It is fairly clear that they, the Muslims, were planning some type of assault. And that they are to kill everyone who does not repent. So its either their way or the highway. I don't see any ambiguities here.

    The second excerpt is even more dangerous. It clearly sets up a president for martyrdom. It is because of verses like these thousand of Muslims are willing to blow themselves up.
     

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    The Most misunderstood Verse of The Quran which is used to accuse Islam of terrorism!

    Sure, It is from the University of Southern California Middle eastern studies center. Here is the link. There three are version of the same verse to reflect the three major translations of the Ku'ran to English.

    jazzakallah kayran

    The Most misunderstood Verse of The Quran which is used to accuse Islam of terrorism! Please Read! This'll clarify it!
    http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=184658170013

    After reading this note, you will realize this misunderstanding!
    It is from Surah Tauba Verse 5

    But when the forbidden months Are past, then fight and slay
    The Pagans wherever ye find them,And seize them, beleaguer them,
    And lie in wait for themIn every stratagem (of war);
    But if they repent,And establish regular prayers.
    And pay ZakatThen open the way for them:
    For Allah is Oft-forgiving,Most Merciful.Quran (9:5)

    1 - The Verse above says when you find a Pagan (disbelievers in Makkah) then slay them!

    2 - This Verse is taken out of context. The Western Media uses this verse to show that Islam is a barbaric religion!

    3 - You may think Islam is barbaric but read the full context and you will realize that it is the opposite!

    4 - I'll give the full context below and the explanation and you will know the truth!



    READ 9-1 to 9-6 !!! Insha allah u will understand


    English Yusuf Ali:


    [ 9:1 ]
    بَرَاءةٌ مِّنَ اللّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ إِلَى الَّذِينَ عَاهَدتُّم مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ

    A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-


    [ 9:2 ]
    فَسِيحُواْ فِي الأَرْضِ أَرْبَعَةَ أَشْهُرٍ وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّكُمْ غَيْرُ مُعْجِزِي اللّهِ وَأَنَّ اللّهَ مُخْزِي الْكَافِرِينَ

    Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.


    [ 9:3 ]
    وَأَذَانٌ مِّنَ اللّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ إِلَى النَّاسِ يَوْمَ الْحَجِّ الأَكْبَرِ أَنَّ اللّهَ بَرِيءٌ مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ وَرَسُولُهُ فَإِن تُبْتُمْ فَهُوَ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ وَإِن تَوَلَّيْتُمْ فَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّكُمْ غَيْرُ مُعْجِزِي اللّهِ وَبَشِّرِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ بِعَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ

    And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.


    [ 9:4 ]
    إِلاَّ الَّذِينَ عَاهَدتُّم مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ ثُمَّ لَمْ يَنقُصُوكُمْ شَيْئًا وَلَمْ يُظَاهِرُواْ عَلَيْكُمْ أَحَدًا فَأَتِمُّواْ إِلَيْهِمْ عَهْدَهُمْ إِلَى مُدَّتِهِمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُتَّقِينَ

    (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.


    the verse Mononoke quoted
    [ 9:5 ]
    فَإِذَا انسَلَخَ الأَشْهُرُ الْحُرُمُ فَاقْتُلُواْ الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدتُّمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُواْ لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ فَإِن تَابُواْ وَأَقَامُواْ الصَّلاَةَ وَآتَوُاْ الزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّواْ سَبِيلَهُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

    But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.


    [ 9:6 ]
    [COLOR="DarkRed"وَإِنْ أَحَدٌ مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ اسْتَجَارَكَ فَأَجِرْهُ حَتَّى يَسْمَعَ كَلاَمَ اللّهِ ثُمَّ أَبْلِغْهُ مَأْمَنَهُ ذَلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لاَّ يَعْلَمُونَ[/COLOR]

    If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
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    EXPLANATION

    1- Muslims and the Pagans (unbelievers) of Makkah had a peace treaty. The Pagans unilaterally broke the peace treaty.

    2- So in the verses which Allah revealed, Allah is giving the Pagans an ultimatum. Allah is giving them 4 months to put things straight or face a declaration of war. It was the Pagans who broke the peace treaty, not the Muslims.

    3- So Allah is telling the Muslims to fight if the Pagans want war.

    4- So Allah is saying kill the Pagans in the Battlefield. Allah is not telling them to break into the Pagans houses and kill them.

    5- This is what anyone would do. What do you expect Allah to say, go and get killed?

    It is a normal command in the battlefield!




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    BUT READ THE 6TH VERSE AND IT SHOWS ALLAH'S GENEROSITY!

    [ 9:6 ]
    وَإِنْ أَحَدٌ مِّنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ اسْتَجَارَكَ فَأَجِرْهُ حَتَّى يَسْمَعَ كَلاَمَ اللّهِ ثُمَّ أَبْلِغْهُ مَأْمَنَهُ ذَلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لاَّ يَعْلَمُونَ

    If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.


    Allah says if the Pagans want safety, then escort them to a place where they will be secure and give them protection.

    So Allah is telling the Muslim to provide security to the dsbelievers if they ask for it!

    This show Allah's generosity!

    Islam is a religion of peace
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    ALLAHU AALAM !!!

     

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    JAZAK ALLAH KHAIR BROTHER 3.5G

    A COMPLETE EXPLAINATION...

    MAY ALLAH REWARD YOU FOR THIS GREAT WORK THAT WILL REMOVE THE MIUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF JIHAD IN ISLAM, OF THOSE WHO WANT TO KNOW REALTIY NOT THOSE WHOSE AIM IS ONLY TO ABUSE ISLAM.

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    EXPLANATION

    1- Muslims and the Pagans (unbelievers) of Makkah had a peace treaty. The Pagans unilaterally broke the peace treaty.

    2- So in the verses which Allah revealed, Allah is giving the Pagans an ultimatum. Allah is giving them 4 months to put things straight or face a declaration of war. It was the Pagans who broke the peace treaty, not the Muslims.

    3- So Allah is telling the Muslims to fight if the Pagans want war.

    4- So Allah is saying kill the Pagans in the Battlefield. Allah is not telling them to break into the Pagans houses and kill them.

    5- This is what anyone would do. What do you expect Allah to say, go and get killed?

    It is a normal command in the battlefield!



    "So allah said...." allah deviyo kohomada dan mewa kiwwwe? mona basawenda? katinda? allah dewiyanwa kaatawath penne nathi eke eyata katak thiyenna puluwanda?