Killing

[madurax86]

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/harris/wheel392.html
read this and shut up
its true buddhism and it explains where you went wrong read the conclution

"In a violent world, therefore, the duty of the Buddhist disciple is not inactive withdrawal or apathy but culture of the mind to root out personal defilements so that perception and judgment can be unbiased and objective; cultivation of positive qualities which will create harmony and peace; and, most important, a readiness to speak out and act against what is blameworthy and in praise of what is worthy of praise."

SLA f*cked up LTTE because they were violent at their need, if they tried to take the eelam in a peaceful way who knows govt might have given them a federal solution - violent goes down with violence if there isnt anyone to punish YES BUDDHISTS will punish them

 

[GihanFX]

If he decide to suicide he probably would not let govt. know that he did such a thing or he is dead, because govt. will definitely use it as a symbol of victory.. so instead he would rather ask them to cremate his body and throw it into the sea or something!!

, when some one loose everything he has thats the only option left

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

So as a Vipassana follower, what would you do if your wife and or kid was killed due to a terrorist attack?

I will do what ever I can do to bring them the judgment according to state law.

And also, now you're telling Vipassana people live in the society unlike dyaana people. So what should they do for their self defence if death is imminent?

It will depend on the situation..
Buddha does not give us readymade answers or techniques to face life.
He informs us enough about the way our actions will bear fruits and gives us Vipassana to keep our mind free of defilements so that the effect would be less.
(Mano pubbangama dhamma)
Say my father comes to kill me.. it is less harmful for me to get killed than killing him... for I will have to bear bad fruits for eons if I kill my father.
I don't think someone would kill me unless he is really mad. If he is mad there wouldn't be a choice.. but if one is temporarily mad with anger he requires food from me to keep that state of mind. I wouldn't provide that for I would maintain my Upeksha. I have faced some lighter situations and I know this by experience. Human beings are basically good. They make all these mistakes because of the defilments which over power them. If you know that by heart, you will never experience deep hatred from anyone.
In most of the cases it is a mutual increasing of defilements which lead to very unfortunate situations.

Political murders are different.. leaders killing competitors, terrorists killing civilians...
I think one will be a victim of a bomb if he has to pay for a past karma or unknowigly he would stand there. One who does will pay for it. I don't expect anyone to take revenge for that.

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/harris/wheel392.html
read this and shut up
its true buddhism and it explains where you went wrong read the conclution

"In a violent world, therefore, the duty of the Buddhist disciple is not inactive withdrawal or apathy but culture of the mind to root out personal defilements so that perception and judgment can be unbiased and objective; cultivation of positive qualities which will create harmony and peace; and, most important, a readiness to speak out and act against what is blameworthy and in praise of what is worthy of praise."

SLA f*cked up LTTE because they were violent at their need, if they tried to take the eelam in a peaceful way who knows govt might have given them a federal solution - violent goes down with violence if there isnt anyone to punish YES BUDDHISTS will punish them

"In a violent world, therefore, the duty of the Buddhist disciple is not inactive withdrawal or apathy but culture of the mind to root out personal defilements (through Vipassana)so that perception and judgment can be unbiased and objective; cultivation of positive qualities (Metta, Muditha, Karuna, Upekkha) which will create harmony and peace; and, most important, a readiness to speak out and act against what is blameworthy and in praise of what is worthy of praise."

Thats what I try to do.

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

Well buddy I have these few questions.

1. Do you really think that Praba will ever get caught alive?

Probably, he may become the deputy leader of SLFP or next Prime minister, compared to the high rise of Karuna and Pillayan.

2. Well if we destroy LTTE now, pro LTTEs around the world may hate us more. But the foundation of LTTE, local tamils from those liberated ares will never help LTTE if SL government treat them well. They are cursing LTTE now.
That's why I feel that Mahinda will take Prabha into the Govt getting both of them..

3. We have seen now who really wants the war. Only Praba and his closest fagots need war. Did you see how their families lived their lives and civilians lived theirs? Did you see the difference?
Their is no difference between them and our leaders. If there is any difference, that they are funded by foriegners and luxuries of our leaders are provided by us with what we pay for kilo of rice, or dhal..etc.

4. LTTE asked for this war. They always tortured people from Mavil aru to Mulathivu. Our forces perished the LTTE from this land. Others must understand that they never able to triumph over our forces. I believe that LTTE is so much advanced than SL forces in technology. But they couldn't win. They just perish...
As I see, the terribleness and the technical advances are just myths created just to get higher recognition for the victory.. It is good for the people who vote the Govt.

5. Even if Praba get caught I thinnk he should be killed at once. If he's alive there are many chances that other countries push Sri Lanka to release him. Besides the new Indian government is completely supporting LTTE and they'll not let us just to punish Praba...
That will be sole decision by Mahinda and he will do what is most advantageous to him.. That is what I can think of the way he uses everything to win even few votes.. You just wait and see.

6. He killed people. There are more than 23 friends of mine who were killed by him during the bomb blasts and at war. He must pay by his life for what he did for those thousands of people
That is what you decide and what power you or your decisions have with his life.. He is in the political arena and laws which governs them are beyond our comprehension.. The deputy leader of LTTE is now considered of making the deputy leader of SLFP. If Prabha is brought into Govt, How would you feel then. Hatred only defile your mind and you will have to face the results of your thoughts.
So be open minded and watch what happens...

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[AtulaSiriwardane]

personally, I dont want praba to die either.
Killing him or letting him die is making it easy for him. He must be made to live and see a united SL in the north and east and make him see his dream come crumbling down.

If he follows the path which Karuna and Pillayan tread,
together they might achieve their goal, unofficially, some say.

 

[nuwanoo7]

"In a violent world, therefore, the duty of the Buddhist disciple is not inactive withdrawal or apathy but culture of the mind to root out personal defilements (through Vipassana)so that perception and judgment can be unbiased and objective; cultivation of positive qualities (Metta, Muditha, Karuna, Upekkha) which will create harmony and peace; and, most important, a readiness to speak out and act against what is blameworthy and in praise of what is worthy of praise."

Thats what I try to do.

aththatama... oya gana sahena anukampawak matanam thiyenne........ oya danne tharka karanna witharai eth budu dahame tharkaya anumatha karanne ne............... tharakayedi sama karunakma sathya wenneth ne........ e kiyanne athula siriwadana mahathayo oya karanne kalaya ka damimak...... plzz don't take it hard......​

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

He certainly wont. Since the death sentence is active again, he'll have to be hanged for the crimes in SL alone.

Karuna and Pillayan skipped the step.. and why not him...
Only nature will make him pay.

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

All tremble at violence,
Life is dear to all.
Comparing others with oneself
One should neither kill nor cause others to kill.
-Lord Buddha-
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[AtulaSiriwardane]

That's exactly he wanted it to be!

He is giving people a square and a circle to relate

And people are trying their level best!

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[AtulaSiriwardane]

King Pasenadi is also seen in conflict with Ajatasattu, meeting force with force. At first, Ajatasattu is the aggressor and the victor. The reported response of the Buddha is significant:

Monks, the King of Magadha, Ajatasattu, son of the Vedehi Princess, is a friend to, an intimate of, mixed up with, whatever is evil. The Kosalan King Pasenadi is a friend to, an intimate of, mixed up with, whatever is good.42​

Thus Pasenadi's role as defender of the nation against aggression is accepted as necessary and praiseworthy. In the next battle, Pasenadi is the victor. Ajatasattu's army is confiscated but Pasenadi is merciful enough to grant Ajatasattu his life. It is still Ajatasattu who is condemned. His fate is seen in kammic terms:

A man may spoil another just so far
As it may serve his ends, but when he's spoiled
By others he, despoiled, spoils yet again.
So long as evil's fruit is not matured
The fool does fancy: "Now's the hour, the chance!"
But when the deed bears fruit, he fareth ill.
The slayer gets a slayer in his turn,
The conqueror gets one who conquers him,
The abuser wins abuse, the annoyer frets:
Thus by the evolution of the deed
A man who spoils is spoiled in his turn.43​

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

To Pasenadi, burdened by responsibility, the Buddha says:

Noble and brahman, commoner and serf,
None can evade and play the truant here:
The impending doom overwhelms one and all.
Here is no place for strife with elephants
Or chariots of war or infantry,
Nay, nor for war or woven spell or curse
Nor may finance avail to win the day.44​

War is not presented as worthy of praise in itself. It is recognized that battle cannot take place without hatred and the wish to kill, in both the mind of aggressor and victim. A Samyutta Nikaya passage illustrates this. A fighting man comes to the Buddha and explains his belief that the warrior who is killed whilst fighting energetically in battle is reborn in the company of the Devas of Passionate Delight. The Buddha's answer condemns this idea as perverted. A warrior is always led by the idea, "Let those beings be exterminated so that they may be never thought to have existed."45 Such a view can only lead downwards rather than to any heavenly world. The Buddha thus rejects any glorification of war, since there can be no glory when the mind is dominated by hate.

 

[GayanX]

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Originally Posted by madurax86
උඹට දාන්න දැන් අලුත් දේවල් නැද්ද? යුද්දේත් ඉවරයි නේ
මීට කලින් උත් මං දැක්කා උඹ පරණ thread එකක් ආයි වෙන නමකින් දාලා තියෙනවා ලොල්


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This is what He (Koti Athula) needs get as many as response for his threads. Are we need to keep doing the same thing what he needs???

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

hmm yeap you are absolutely correct!
he is following these indian meditators - meditation teachers, bigtime he hasnt understood buddhism just knows whats in the book

Knowledge has no maning without practice.. like Upasthayaka Ananda thero.