Let There Be NO Compulsion in Religion

[madurax86]

Nirvana:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sacca/sacca3/nibbana.html

Dhamma:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/narada/nutshell.html#ch2

 

[3.5G]

modern science is in buddhism its not that others are false buddhists have a different target - attaining nirvana and getting out of this mess others dont have a target
even Einstein commented on Buddhism(i saw it on wikipedia)

but others also have a target !!! [I am a Muslim I have a target I think Christians also have a target ]

Jazaakallah brother I am asking u again brother what are the proofs that u can give me ?

or

I will wait till sri lion responds !!

also I wanna say jazzaakallah for replying calmly !!!

 

[madurax86]

but others also have a target !!! [I am a Muslim I have a target I think Christians also have a target ]

Jazaakallah brother I am asking u again brother what are the proofs that u can give me ?

or

I will wait till sri lion responds !!

also I wanna say jazzaakallah for replying calmly !!!

google for "buddhism and modern science" there are loads heres an article from a university

http://www.uip.edu/uip/spip.php?article440&lang=en

use internet explorer to view the web page if FF doesnt display it correctly

 

[3.5G]

brother If buddism speaks this much about science then why bow before buddah's statues, place before them offerings of food and flowers, and expect help from them. This is a completely illogical practice, however, do you belive that stone or bronze statues can hear or help!!!

1. Are there any difference between bikku and a ordinary man ?
2. why do people bow to bikku's ?
3. Please explain me about Karma with scientific proofs ?
4. Yesterday u said me about the deviyo concept in Buddhism please
   provide some evidence from BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

   atheists say that there are no gods Buddhism doesnt say that. "deviyo" are just some other creatures like humans they are just not in our dimension and they have strengths and weaknesses when compared to human. Its not atheist or theist

and I am not hurting ur feelings I just ask these only to know about Buddhism !!!

 

[sri_lion]

brother If buddism speaks this much about science then why bow before buddah's statues, place before them offerings of food and flowers, and expect help from them. This is a completely illogical practice, however, do you belive that stone or bronze statues can hear or help!!!

You are right! it is illogical... Lord Buddha has never asked people to make statues of him of offer flowers!

Lord Buddha clearly said "Sabba Daanang Dhamma Daanang Jinathi" - Of all offerings the knowledge of Dhamma is the greatest

These practices are there only to symbolize Buddhism nothing more than that, Every religion today has some sort ritual associated with it... a Temple serves as a physical location for people to gather and learn Dhamma.. other rituals are probably the effects of Hinduism!!

Anyhow Lord Buddha has clearly commented the way of a Buddhist!

1. Are there any difference between bikku and a ordinary man ?
2. why do people bow to bikku's ?
3. Please explain me about Karma with scientific proofs ?
4. Yesterday u said me about the deviyo concept in Buddhism please
   provide some evidence from BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

and I am not hurting ur feelings I just ask these only to know about Buddhism !!!

Bukkus are no different than an ordinary man... only that he devoted his/her life to the path of teaching others Dhamma, therefore it is considered a great thing since he / she on full time social service if you like... and that deserves respect.. dont you think so?

Bowing is a culture nothing more to it...

Everything in every religion can be only tested while we live... every religion has thoery of what is happening there after... non of us know these are true or false... That is true in Buddhism too!!!

Have you ever done anything good and had a good result? Like you've study hard and passed an exam? or you never studied and failed.. now that is Karma right there.. you created a cause and there was an effect... Buddhism also says there are far reaching Karma beyond our life... and we might never know how... because like I've said everything can only be tested till death!

 

[madurax86]

brother If buddism speaks this much about science then why bow before buddah's statues, place before them offerings of food and flowers, and expect help from them. This is a completely illogical practice, however, do you belive that stone or bronze statues can hear or help!!!

its not that statues can help or hear it makes people's minds clearer and pure we just not utter "gatha" we think about the dhamma in those sermons when we say them thats wht reminds us to stay on the 5 precepts and to do things that will return good karma. But some trees including "bodhi" trees can be connecting places for other creatures that humans can see all these cant be proven thru science because science is a creation of man buddhism is finding out how its done - two different things....

1. Are there any difference between bikku and a ordinary man ?
2. why do people bow to bikku's ?
3. Please explain me about Karma with scientific proofs ?
4. Yesterday u said me about the deviyo concept in Buddhism please
   provide some evidence from BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

bikkus are devoted to spreading buddhism and helping people to do the right thing and most of all to attain nirvana...people bow to them to respect them as they are nearer to nirvana than ordinary people. Karma has been proven thru several scientific experiments one lankan professor did some research on about people who slaughter animals(pigs, chicken, cows etc) he says that ALL of those he researched about died tragic deaths and suffered exactly like the animals suffered when they slaughtered them...

http://people.cornell.edu/pages/jag8/karma.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_in_Buddhism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma#Buddhism - karma has touched by most of the religions on that era in India but wasnt as much discribed as in Buddhism and there are many myths about karma too(eg: only the action affects karma)
for further reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_science#Notable_Scientists_on_Buddhism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Buddhism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipitaka

 

[3.5G]

Have you ever done anything good and had a good result? Like you've study hard and passed an exam? or you never studied and failed.. now that is Karma right there.. you created a cause and there was an effect... Buddhism also says there are far reaching Karma beyond our life... and we might never know how... because like I've said everything can only be tested till death!

I am little confused with ur answer and According to Buddhism and I think karma wont give the result in this world correct me If I am wrong

for Example If a person does Good he/she will get Good ok

Have you ever done anything good and had a good result?

01. If a person does a crime and he/she gets a good result from his crime then this makes karma concept false isn't it ?

and also

02. Karma is based on the belief in reincarnation: the idea that people come back into the world with the same spirit but in a different body. This idea of a "wheel of rebirth" supposes that every life influences a subsequent one.

But this belief fails with one single question: how does this karma operate?

If Buddhism doesn't accept the existence of God, then who judges a person's former life and sends him back into the world in a new body?

03. Is Buddha a preacher or a GOD ?

google for "buddhism and modern science" there are loads heres an article from a university

http://www.uip.edu/uip/spip.php?article440&lang=en

use internet explorer to view the web page if FF doesnt display it correctly

04. brother If buddism speaks this much about science why doesn't Buddhism speak regarding the existence of the earth or Human Life?


NOTE : Brother please refer Buddhist scriptures when producing proofs about Buddhism

 

[3.5G]

please provide me proofs like this please don't redirect me into Articles !!!

Dhammapada, Sacred Books of East volume 10 pg., 67:

 

[madurax86]

I am little confused with ur answer and According to Buddhism karma wont give the result in this world correct me If I am wrong

for Example If a person does Good he/she will get Good ok

01. If a person does a crime and he/she gets a good result from his crime then this makes karma concept false isn't it ?

u wont get a bad result exactly after u did some thing bad...it takes time and needs sometime to get a exact point that hurts the bad person enough for everything this is true there have been several experiments about this too you can see it in real life too...but theres no rule that the result of every bad thing comes on this life ..it takes time and he/she isnt gonna attain nirvana soon so it'll get to him/her on another life

and also

02. Karma is based on the belief in reincarnation: the idea that people come back into the world with the same spirit but in a different body. This idea of a "wheel of rebirth" supposes that every life influences a subsequent one.

that idea is partly wrong buddhism says that theres no spirit that goes on and on its just a copy of information to another body when someone dies it goes a cache level "gandabba awasthawa" and from that the pack of information and energy shifts to a body thats waiting to be born - nothing hasnt proven wrong so far by modern science so its a simple method of induction that people use to have a faith on buddhism they see its effect and lives thru it and again see the effect of getting less trouble ..rebirth can be stopped thats whats called attaining nirvana - you can refer to the wikipedia for more information

But this belief fails with one single question: how does this karma operate?

If Buddhism doesn't accept the existence of God, then who judges a person's former life and sends him back into the world in a new body?

your mind judges its like guilty conscience but more advanced you dont feel it most of the time its all planned out by nature no one is on control but yourself but other things that go on the nature may affect you thats all

03. Is Buddha a preacher or a GOD ?

refer the the links i;ve given on the above post

04. brother If buddism speaks this much about science why doesn't Buddhism speak regarding the existence of the earth or Human Life?

check this out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_evolution

NOTE : Brother please refer Buddhist scriptures when producing proofs about Buddhism

 

[madurax86]

please provide me proofs like this please don't redirect me into Articles !!!

i'll try to include them but tiripitaka is a huge collection of books to search thru its not easy if you have any doubts about more advanced stuff - like not sure about the articles (mainly in wikipedia-they'd be flaged) asking a monk is the best thing to do they have to memorize all the key points of tiripitaka and would give you exact phrases from it.

 

[sri_lion]

If a person does a crime and he/she gets a good result from his crime then this makes karma concept false isn't it ?

First of all can you explain to me how can you expect a good result from a CRIME?

Karma is based on the belief in reincarnation: the idea that people come back into the world with the same spirit but in a different body. This idea of a "wheel of rebirth" supposes that every life influences a subsequent one.

But this belief fails with one single question: how does this karma operate?

If Buddhism doesn't accept the existence of God, then who judges a person's former life and sends him back into the world in a new body?

What makes you think it is GOD that sends us back to earth?
What makes you think it is GOD that judges a person's former life?

Is Buddha a preacher or a GOD ?

No

brother If buddism speaks this much about science why doesn't Buddhism speak regarding the existence of the earth or Human Life?

Who says Buddhism does not speak of existence of the earth or Human Life, Lord Buddha was probably the first person ever to talk about the composition of "matter", in his teachings he mentions that earth and everything in it is a composition / combination of these substances

1. Apo (The element of Cohesion)
2. Thejo (The element of Heat or Cold)
3. Vayu (Air Element)
4. Patavi (The element of Hardness and Softness)

Now we know that DNA, which scientist only recently have explored and concluded being the building blocks of human biology is actually combination of these!

Brother please refer Buddhist scriptures when producing proofs about Buddhism

Brother I'm talking from what I have learnt from Temples and reading Buddhist books... I dont spend my whole life reading sutras So I can't really pin point which sutra contains this... because there are huge amount of Dhamma knowledge, sutras etc.

There's a holiday season coming soon... If you insist I try to find for you during that time!

 

[3.5G]

The Buddha typically retained a pointed silence in regard to these sorts of questions, so much so that at one point he was directly asked how the universe and life came to be and simply refused to answer. This refusal to answer should not be interpreted to imply ignorance-- there were competing theories at the time which the Buddha had undoubtedly heard of. Rather, this non-response is usually understood to mean that the question is irrelevant to Buddhist theory.

then buddism isn't a religion its phenomenology

srilion and madura r u

Hinayana or Mahayaana ?

 

[sri_lion]

then buddism isn't a religion its phenomenology

Buddhism isn't a religion... its a way of life... and if you say it is a phenomenon then the rest of the theories are mere fantasies!!

srilion and madura r u

Hinayana or Mahayaana ?

To be honest I dont care which "yana" I am because, I only see what's logical to me and adopt it... yet I still believe Hinyana practices more logical than Mahayana practices, because I have first hand experience on Hinayana practices among Chinese here in Malaysia.. and I can't accept what they follow as Buddhism!

 

[3.5G]

01. Is this true ?

Historical criticism has proved that the original teachings of Buddha can never be known. It seems that Gautama Buddha’s teachings were memorized by his disciples. After Buddha’s death a council was held at Rajagaha so that the words of Buddha could be recited and agreed upon. There were differences of opinion and conflicting memories in the council. Opinion of Kayshapa and Ananda who were prominent disciples of Buddha were given preference. A hundred years later, a second council at Vesali was held. Only after 400 years, after the death of Buddha were his teachings and doctrines written down. Little attention was paid regarding its authenticity, genuineness and purity.

02. Is this true ?

The Hinayana sect could not hold out any promise of external help to the people. The Mahayana sect taught that Buddha’s watchful and compassionate eyes are on all miserable beings

03. Which one is correct Hinayana or Mahayana?

04. whats the meaning of 'Siddharth' ?

05. whats the meaning of 'Gautama' ?

06. whats the meaning of 'Buddha' ?

Chakkavatti Sinhnad Suttanta D. III, 76:
"There will arise in the world a Buddha named Maitreya (the benevolent one) a holy one, a supreme one, an enlightened one, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious, knowing the universe:
"What he has realized by his own supernatural knowledge he will publish to this universe. He will preach his religion, glorious in its origin, glorious at its climax, glorious at the goal, in the spirit and the letter. He will proclaim a religious life, wholly perfect and thoroughly pure; even as I now preach my religion and a like life do proclaim. He will keep up the society of monks numbering many thousands, even as now I keep up a society of monks numbering many hundreds".
08. What 's the meaning of the above context? refer :Chakkavatti Sinhnad Suttanta D. III, 76:

Buddhism isn't a religion... its a way of life... and if you say it is a phenomenon then the rest of the theories are mere fantasies!!

To be honest I dont care which "yana" I am because, I only see what's logical to me and adopt it... yet I still believe Hinyana practices more logical than Mahayana practices, because I have first hand experience on Hinayana practices among Chinese here in Malaysia.. and I can't accept what they follow as Buddhism!

08. Does Buddha tell people to do like this ? or does any Buddhist scholar tell like this ? or else its ur own opinion?

 

[sri_lion]

01. Is this true ?

How the hell would I know its true or not? Can you suggest me a way to prove this?

Anyway.. does it really matters? Because Lord Buddha him self said that after his death it is the Dhamma that will be everybody's master!

Moral of the story as long what we believe stays logical and true, what's the point of searching who said it? We respect Lord Buddha because he is the one who showed the way, and given guidance... the guide is already there and you analyze it.. if it seem logical then follow.. that's it!

04. whats the meaning of 'Siddharth' ?

05. whats the meaning of 'Gautama' ?

06. whats the meaning of 'Buddha' ?

Combination of names... Although Siddarth means "person who does something useful"

In ancient India, these names were given for people from specific location.. thus the name differs.. you can still see Indian names carry this "Gauthama" name "Gautham Ghambir" for example

Chakkavatti Sinhnad Suttanta D. III, 76:
"There will arise in the world a Buddha named Maitreya (the benevolent one) a holy one, a supreme one, an enlightened one, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious, knowing the universe:
"What he has realized by his own supernatural knowledge he will publish to this universe. He will preach his religion, glorious in its origin, glorious at its climax, glorious at the goal, in the spirit and the letter. He will proclaim a religious life, wholly perfect and thoroughly pure; even as I now preach my religion and a like life do proclaim. He will keep up the society of monks numbering many thousands, even as now I keep up a society of monks numbering many hundreds".
08. What 's the meaning of the above context? refer :Chakkavatti Sinhnad Suttanta D. III, 76:

Just a prophesy / a prediction!

02. Is this true ?
03. Which one is correct Hinayana or Mahayana?

All this Hinyana, Mahayana came after the death of Lord Buddha.. in this time non of this existed, to tell whether it is true or not.. you need to refer back to Dhamma and check Hinayana and Mahayana against it.. then you will know which one is right.. which one is wrong..

As it seems, Mahayana is more towards the worshiping physical nature of things like you mentioned earlier than realizing the true meaning of what it is... thus it seems less logical than Theravada

08. Does Buddha tell people to do like this ? or does any Buddhist scholar tell like this ? or else its ur own opinion?

All three!!!

 

[madurax86]

Chakkavatti Sinhnad Suttanta D. III, 76:
"There will arise in the world a Buddha named Maitreya (the benevolent one) a holy one, a supreme one, an enlightened one, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious, knowing the universe:
"What he has realized by his own supernatural knowledge he will publish to this universe. He will preach his religion, glorious in its origin, glorious at its climax, glorious at the goal, in the spirit and the letter. He will proclaim a religious life, wholly perfect and thoroughly pure; even as I now preach my religion and a like life do proclaim. He will keep up the society of monks numbering many thousands, even as now I keep up a society of monks numbering many hundreds".

Mitriya is the name of Buddha after Gautama Buddha as Gautama Buddha was too an ordinary man before attaining nirvana anyone with the right guts and need could be one attaining nirvana has several modes too only the ones who attain it on the highest levels can explain others how he did it

 

[3.5G]

r u a Buddhist sri_lion ?

what are the ‘Four Noble Truths’ Madura ?

I studied that
First – There is suffering and misery in life .
Second – The cause of this suffering and misery is desire.
Third – Suffering and misery can be removed by removing desire.
Fourth – Desire can be removed by following the Eight Fold Path.

Is this correct Mr.Madura ?

Are there any relationships between karma and reincarnation Madura?

 

[madurax86]

r u a Buddhist sri_lion ?

what are the ‘Four Noble Truths’ Madura ?

Is this correct Mr.Madura ?

Are there any relationships between karma and reincarnation Madura?

correct, those listed are the four noble truths. If someone follows eight fold path that will end his/her journey in time. It'll bring end to rebirth thats it no suffering no happiness no greed no anything, but empty space. karma makes u closer to nirvana for example if we make people aware of dhamma the truth and lead someone to a better life that gud karma will give us a chance to listen to more dhamma in our next lives so karma can be gained from previous karma its same for bad karma too reincarnation happens in order to get the results of our karma good or bad - the one who is born will have to live a life that will carved by what he/she in the past

 

[3.5G]

correct, those listed are the four noble truths. If someone follows eight fold path that will end his/her journey in time. It'll bring end to rebirth thats it no suffering no happiness no greed no anything, but empty space.

karma makes u closer to nirvana for example if we make people aware of dhamma the truth and lead someone to a better life that gud karma will give us a chance to listen to more dhamma in our next lives so karma can be gained from previous karma its same for bad karma too reincarnation happens in order to get the results of our karma good or bad - the one who is born will have to live a life that will carved by what he/she in the past

01. "but empty space. " empty space means ?

02. However, karma does not provide a powerful enough motivation for someone who has not made a sincere decision to be virtuous, because people who accept the idea of karma believe that the wheel of birth and death is endless and that they will inevitably be reborn after every death. They might think they will have an infinite number of chances. So when they do evil, they may think: "Even if I have a worse life next time, I can make up for it in the life after that". Thus we see that a philosophy based on such unsound foundations is incapable of keeping people from doing evil. Attachment to the life of this world is a weakness most people have. This attachment is the main reason why they come to accept a belief such as reincarnation - they absolutely refuse to give up their attachment to the earthly life.

 

[3.5G]

Personally I don't think so.

But that is the beautiful nature of Buddhist philosophy.

It says that you can reject any idea if you cannot accept it by your own knowledge. So basically the humans have the right to agree or disagree with the teachings and that depends on the knowledge capacity of the follower.

So someone can see an error depending on their level of knowledge which others can view as correct. And no harm whatsoever.

Does Buddhism depends on our own knowledge ?