LTTE or SL - WIN ?

Nash_Node

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    A question I was pondering over the whole of last week.

    I am reading "Nelson Mandela - Long walk to freedom" these days and a statement which he made in this book took me by surprise yet ironically a situation which we face on a daily basis yet ignorant.

    In his book, under the chapter "Black Pimpernel" he was describing the Armed struggle(Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK) ) which was to be launched under his command through the ANC.

    At one point, he extend his views on Guerrilla warfare ; "A guerrilla warfare is acted on the sole point of an armed force 'in hiding" act on an agenda to Hinder the Suppressors Financial and Economical aspects of well-being and to win our demands."

    On that point, I pondered a great deal during the weekend... How does this statement is TRUE to Sri Lanka and ARE we looking at the correct picture of thing all along during this 2.5 decades ?

    LTTE is a guerrilla war machinery and at most Ruthless the world has ever witnessed. Yet, here we are in SL, fighting them on an open platform to rid them off the face of this country.

    In part of Economical and Social hinderence, LTTE has been over exceedingly triumphant. They have dragged as back in the development and made damn sure that we are at all time Financially "DEAD"

    In such part .. hasn't the LTTE already "won" their perspective target ? :confused: and are we FIGHTING THE WRONG WAR ?:confused:

    Going back to history, we can take example from,

    1 Somalia Vs. French (where Somalia was a guerrilla force)
    2 SA Africaners Vs Imperial British (where the Africaners were the guerrilla force)
    3 Lenin Vs Imperial Saar (where Lenin was the communist Guerrilla )
    4 Che Guera and Fidel Casthro Vs Cuban Batista (sounds like a WWE tag team match :lol: )
    5 Africaners Vs MK (as above, spear headed by Nelson Mandela)
    6 Osama vs USA - We all know that
    and of same
    7 LTTE Vs SL ???

    as you may see, THEY all fought a loosing battle on an open platform with Guerrilla's and failed miserably.

    1. French were massacred by the Zulu Warriors
    2. British had to give Africaners a self ruling government body (note that Africaners mean present day "WHITE" South Africans - not the Blacks)
    3. Lenin overthrew Saar and killed them all in a rampage
    4. Fidel Casthro became the ruler of Cuba
    5. Africaners gave the Black's equal rights
    6. USA is shitting over this :lol:
    7 ?????
    On taking these examples


    I am sure some of these 15K active people are deep in thought and rich in sense enough to "think what I am thinking"

    because I do not have a definite question to put through at the end, but a vague excuse of such in form of

    Are we fighting the right war , right time in the right way ?

    Hopefully, this thread won't get abandoned :rolleyes:



    Ps. Please read the book i mentioned above if you have time :yes:, it's an autobiography of an astounding leader who sacrificed his entire life for the freedom of his people and a story of the triumph of dignity and hope over despair and hatred, of self-discipline and love over persecution and evil. Long Walk to Freedom embodies that spirit in a book for all time.
     
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    I'm at work cannot spend much time, but wonder anyone here will come that close to your point to have a good dialoug :oo:

    but word of caution: thread might get attached by Guerrilla spammer whose fedup of spam threads and looking something else or highjacked by puppet patriosts who think this supports ltte and get you a label..:baffled::baffled:

    but if it sparks will make my day, maybe i might reply if got time later..:dull:
     

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    just said:
    I'm at work cannot spend much time, but wonder anyone here will come that close to your point to have a good dialoug :oo:

    but word of caution: thread might get attached by Guerrilla spammer whose fedup of spam threads and looking something else or highjacked by puppet patriosts who think this supports ltte and get you a label..:baffled::baffled:

    but if it sparks will make my day, maybe i might reply if got time later..:dull:

    Well, be that is it may,

    I am GLAD that atleast NON of the "over 20 Views" which thread registered didn't leave a comment like "hmmmm", "true", "thanX 4 Da Info" :lol:

    Even if this dies off, I just expressed my opinion over something. However, in case of it DOEs die, it tells me that I am in the wrong place :rolleyes:
     

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    Well... yeah some of ur points make me agree with the point,

    In such part .. hasn't the LTTE already "won" their perspective target ? :confused: and are we FIGHTING THE WRONG WAR ?:confused:

    Anyway LTTE is saying that they r fighting for the tamil people...but its not true... just to confort thier selves and earn thru money i guess.... nyway ..

    fighting each other is not the solution for these problems.......

    anyway hoping 4 peace soon... coz heck.. im sick of thse bombs nd stuff...
     

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    Nash_Node said:
    Well, be that is it may,

    I am GLAD that atleast NON of the "over 20 Views" which thread registered didn't leave a comment like "hmmmm", "true", "thanX 4 Da Info" :lol:

    Even if this dies off, I just expressed my opinion over something. However, in case of it DOEs die, it tells me that I am in the wrong place :rolleyes:

    Well, I'm one of those "20 or so over" views & did not bother to leave a comment, simply, couldnt get on par with your point as Just guy said, it (what you said) certainly deserves some respect. However, in my eye, just because some one achieves something somewhere, he doesnot become an expert on some other thing somewhere else. Putting this in plain English, it doesnt make Mandela an expert on anything else but struggle against aparthied. Mind you, I am a great admirer of Mandela too. Also, history does not necessarily need to be repeated, or so we hope. SL Gov cant win this war against LTTE, due to various issues, none of that goes anywhere closer to what you have mentioned there. Also, you have, may be inadvertently, may be in support of your arguement, taken very selective scenarios.........look deep in to recent past, you would find many failed uprisings, rebellions & revolts. Also, dont put LTTE & the Tamil Cause or even Eelam on the same scale, they all are different phenomenons. Can SL defeat LTTE.............may be YES................but definitely not Tamil Cause, hence Ealam.

    Now, dont shout at me if I'm talking bullshit, because I may have missed your point by miles & I said that at the start.

    Good luck with rest of the posts too bro........
     

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    Hey Nash Bro,

    Good subject.......In a more professional and intellectual way....

    First and foremost....I learned a new thing, .i.e the precise meaning of a "guerrilla warfare".....I sense that our politicians or the rulers do not or did not understand the meaning of a guerrilla warfare....This is very true at the current juncture.......
    We have been dragged down when it comes to economical development.....All though the Govt has been successful in window dressing or manipulating the numbers to portray an economic growth around 7 % or 8 %.....But in real terms we have not developed after the war or peace took a different turn in the past few years.....The Terrorists have been very successful in achieving their objective where as this perspective is concerned........I am not admiring the LTTE, but the truth is they have been strategically handling things over the years.....They suffered great setback in loosing their intellectuals and Big brains over the past two years....An area the present Govt has succeeded........

    As you know when we talk about benefits it also has its own Cost...........The War has been costly and no doubt has halted development in the country.........
    We have lost so many young brothers fighting in the battle front.........
    So many citizens who could have made a difference in the countrys development etc........The Govt might have achieved territory in North and East.....The truth is they have lost territory in all other areas of the country, what i meant by this is we people who live in Sri Lanka have to live in fear of bombs and other means of destruction....This is a real pathetic situation..........where the Cost benefit analysis is concerned these things shift the balance in the favor of LTTE again......

    So i believe the Govt takes some serious measures to put an end to this.......
    Rather than appointing Bull shit committees........I hope the Govt cuts the crap and make sure that the terrorists don't achieve its objective in this manner......
    Indeed the LTTE has won in this aspect.........

    But overall on an economic perspective we have been dragged down to the precipice......

    AS SRI LANKANS LETS HOPE AND PRAY THAT WE SEE AN END TO ALL THESE PROBLEMS AND ACHIEVING LASTING PEACE..........

    :yes: :yes:

    SrI LaNkANs rOck aLwAyS !!
     

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    In such part .. hasn't the LTTE already "won" their perspective target ? :confused: and are we FIGHTING THE WRONG WAR ?:confused:


    This "A guerrilla warfare is acted on the sole point of an armed force 'in hiding" act on an agenda to Hinder the Suppressors Financial and Economical aspects of well-being and to win our demands."


    Then to this In part of Economical and Social hinderence, LTTE has been over exceedingly triumphant. They have dragged as back in the development and made damn sure that we are at all time Financially "DEAD"

    I guess that answers your question :rolleyes:
     

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    mimi1983 said:
    Hey Nash Bro,

    what i meant by this is we people who live in Sri Lanka have to live in fear of bombs and other means of destruction....This is a real pathetic situation..........where the Cost benefit analysis is concerned these things shift the balance in the favor of LTTE again......

    Just on this bit you said bro................Sri Lankans always lived in fear of bombs as farback as I can remember, that is one of the main reasons for many (Especially Sinhalese) people to migrate to safe heavans, therefore, I cannot agree with that bit............
     

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    jayanthah said:
    Just on this bit you said bro................Sri Lankans always lived in fear of bombs as farback as I can remember, that is one of the main reasons for many (Especially Sinhalese) people to migrate to safe heavans, therefore, I cannot agree with that bit............

    Indeed the fear of bombs were there, but prior to this regime it was far better............I think it was around two years..........We were living quite peacefully..........Yeah a lot of people have migrated, the rate of migratin has again increased during the past few years, thats why now we see agencies advertising openly on TV.....I saw this australian migration consultants promoting it .....

    This gives an indication that the Sri Lankans are feeling the pinch of economic set back and indeed fear for life.......

    Honestly i do not want to migrate to any country, but would go to do some earning.....I Love my country very much its the greatest place in th e world for me.......Btwi do not mean to say the people who has migrated has done it because they do not love the country........All have their own reasons to do so....

    Where ever You May be sRi LaNkAns RoCk

    Just saw that u live in Melbourne.......
     

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    I may have missed your point by miles & I said that at the start.
    By almost a mile :lol:

    ok, in more seriouse sence, I agree party with your reply, but also dis-agree on length about your view point on Mandela.

    As you may can read again, I was merely pointing out one factor which raised my "question over my own self" in retrospect for his comment.

    as per the general outline of your reply, NO I was not selective of the examples I have put downforth. I was merely taking out more wellknown facts and situations where the guerrilla actually WON.

    If I were to go through recent past, I can call 89 JVP coup was an absolute failed crap of a guerrilla atempt and Wijeweera was nothing but an exterlmly far fetched and a FAILED leader. (that is of cource is my own sentiments and let's not go there :lol: - because my "own" sentiments generally contradicts with the "majority" sentiments)

    however, extending my first post,

    What I am really pondering is on the question whethere we are fighting the wrong war ? on the wrong way ? regardless of the TIME we fight it in.

    Fighting the wrong war

    In my opinion (again) I believe we as a nation, we made a tactical blunter in trying out manouver LTTE :yes:. But histroy is history.

    So the question remains is that... since we have started it AND NOW that we have realized that after 2.5 decades of WAR and NO PEACE, are we as a NATION ready to alter our tactics to counter this Guerrilla force....who runs on the sole ideology of ONE man.

    Is this is a fight of a bullet against bullet ?? RPG against RPG ? land mine against land mine or in more respected terms ' EYE OF AN EYE" ???

    OR

    Do we as a nation and one true self understand that THIS is a WAR against Suppressor and Suppressed ?

    As for me, I would stick with the Latter and always look at this WAR in a different view point. (then again, it's just my opinion)


    Are we figting the RIGHT way ?

    NOP, NO darn way ! (again, that's my sole opinion) I believe in great length that a guerrilla war cannot be suppressed and diminished IF WE DO NOT answer the undlerlying grass root of problems which CAUSED the unrest at first place.

    So, NO, a guerrilla war cannot be suppressed by an open platform war such we ravage today and for the last damn 2.5 decades.

    Are we as a nation ready to accept that ? I presume NO is the answer.

    In searching for it, I did not go far, I just asked my Mother if she's ready to accept such a claim and she thoroughly and disrespectfully degected my question. :lol:

    The "eye for an eye" method... although supported to the full extent by uneducated stupid brats along with the Brothers of communists (JVP) and the Puthra's of the Budhdha (JHU) is (as I feel) throws US ALL into a league no far from baberics.

    In "my opinion" the real battel should be in a hidden platform and most certainly in the International Platform.

    Sometimes an opinion of the Internatiol platform is far more powerful than a fleet of MIGS - Let us agree to that simple fact without resorting to call ourself NGO $$ pricks without a reason :lol:

    In such context - I fully supported what Ranil stated to do. Restraning from WAR, Declare peace and tight the noose internationally and politically.

    Though many have / would /will be against my opinion, that is something I believe was RIGHT and would stand to the brink of my existance to stand for it. :yes: Please Know that I am not supporting Ranil, but His method was something I always agreed upone.

    So.. are we fighting the WAR.. right way ?
     
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    MY MONEY IS ON A SL ARMY WIN :yes:

    i have so far not seen 'LTTE POWER' that LTTE supporters are talking about

    BTW: SOME LTTE supprters are saying:

    'LTTE is waiting for the right time'

    my question is:

    When is the 'right time' ?? :rolleyes:


     

    Wal Bada

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  • 1 Somalia Vs. French (where Somalia was a guerrilla force)
    2 SA Africaners Vs Imperial British (where the Africaners were the guerrilla force)
    3 Lenin Vs Imperial Saar (where Lenin was the communist Guerrilla )
    4 Che Guera and Fidel Casthro Vs Cuban Batista (sounds like a WWE tag team match )
    5 Africaners Vs MK (as above, spear headed by Nelson Mandela)
    6 Osama vs USA - We all know that
    and of same
    7 LTTE Vs SL ???
    Now most of these are natives against invaders. Lenin and Che had the backing of whole country. Not a single race. Osama is fighting a losing war. He'll be squashed in next 5 years to come, as with Muslim extremism.

    So the analogies are incorrect or far from reality of SL situation. In SL it's Minority vs Majority and it's not invaders vs natives. So the examples are wrong.
     

    Wal Bada

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  • In part of Economical and Social hinderence, LTTE has been over exceedingly triumphant. They have dragged as back in the development and made damn sure that we are at all time Financially "DEAD"
    LTTE is saying it's representing Tamil Let's assume it's correct.

    Now in an economically DEAD country who took the brunt of it? Tamils, are. In 1970s tamils were so rich with their chillie and onion trade. Now onion and chillie farming shifted to Mahaweli. Tamils are desolated by the war. Even if GOSL disarm LTTE, Tamils will find it gruelling to get back of feet. So who did LTTE defeat? Tamils it is.
     

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    lkdood said:
    MY MONEY IS ON A SL ARMY WIN :yes:

    i have so far not seen 'LTTE POWER' that LTTE supporters are talking about

    BTW: SOME LTTE supprters are saying:

    'LTTE is waiting for the right time'

    my question is:

    When is the 'right time' ?? :rolleyes:



    No one was betting on any side.

    I suggest that you should read the whole thread again
     

    Nash_Node

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    Wal Bada said:
    Now most of these are natives against invaders. Lenin and Che had the backing of whole country. Not a single race. Osama is fighting a losing war. He'll be squashed in next 5 years to come, as with Muslim extremism.

    So the analogies are incorrect or far from reality of SL situation. In SL it's Minority vs Majority and it's not invaders vs natives. So the examples are wrong.

    1 Somalia Vs. French (where Somalia was a guerrilla force)

    Yes, that's a case of Invader vs Native

    2 SA Africaners Vs Imperial British (where the Africaners were the guerrilla force)

    No, this is a case of the same community fighting with each other. I suggest you may read some materials on this clash.

    3 Lenin Vs Imperial Saar (where Lenin was the communist Guerrilla )

    Same nation vs nation against different political beieves

    4 Che Guera and Fidel Casthro Vs Cuban Batista (sounds like a WWE tag team match )

    Same nation vs nation against different political beieves

    5 Africaners Vs MK (as above, spear headed by Nelson Mandela)

    Majority vs Minority (ironically the Minority was the ruler)

    6 Osama vs USA - We all know that


    Majority Vs Minority

    7 LTTE Vs SL ???

    Majority vs. Minority

    The example I have brought forward was NOT to compare the situation of Sri Lanka, but merely to outline the outcome of a "WAR" where "Guerrilla Vs Open Platform fighting" has failed.

    I suggest you READ again on what I am/was trying to say:yes:
     
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    Wal Bada said:
    LTTE is saying it's representing Tamil Let's assume it's correct.

    Now in an economically DEAD country who took the brunt of it? Tamils, are. In 1970s tamils were so rich with their chillie and onion trade. Now onion and chillie farming shifted to Mahaweli. Tamils are desolated by the war. Even if GOSL disarm LTTE, Tamils will find it gruelling to get back of feet. So who did LTTE defeat? Tamils it is.

    you are contradicting your own self.

    above you said this is a fight of Majority Vs Minority.

    But now, here you claim that "they" had faced the Brunt of the disaster?

    Inevidabley,. isn't it the "MAJORITY" who suffers ?

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    however, that's off topic, becase I was not talking about what you are trying plaster me with.

    Hence, I re-suggest you read and understand what I am/was trying to say
     
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    Wal Bada said:
    Yes. No terrorist war jhas been won without disarming. After knocking the opponet out, we should call them for talks, or otherwise more punches. It should work.

    I really have to question your jugdment of things right now.

    Because, the VERY thing I am ASKING was that whether OR not we are playing the cards correct to acheive this ?

    Because 2.5 decades of open platform / full frontal WAR has shown that our judgment is WRONG somewhere.