Overclocking Guide

[KZRO]

thanx 4 info....

 

[zCexVe]

Short simple answer im a musician you are a technicle mumbo jumbo.....2 different ppl......As some members said in this forum wut you do is basically copy/paste from the internet.....nothing to do with your knowledge or your taste.....Wait ill get to your other question....

You got served for this.

You expect me to believe some blog review???? Its as good as any C-net review....

Unfortunately its much more than a C-net review and I expect you to learn from that.

 

[zCexVe]

As you say Audigy and X-Fi sound the same is it?? Looking at only the specs the X-Fi blows the Audigy in to bits........Dont speak of things which you are not even sure of....Since you know the specs,ill talk about the practical side....

The biggest sole problem with onboard is noise introduced into the audio - not that it's specs are bad. A dedicated sound card helps isolate your audio processing from the rest of the system (by a minimal degree, though it makes a large difference). I'm sure many of you are probably familiar with "mouse noise" - moving the mouse causing the I/O system to make an annoying buzz/chirp in your sound.
The quality of the good X-Fi sound cards is quite apparent over other sound cards and especially integrated audio. You will hear things in games that you never noticed before, and the clarity and quality of the audio is much better. I went from the [once Creative Labs flagship] Audigy 2 ZS Platinum to the X-Fi Platinum , and noticed the difference right away.

Before bashing a product which you don't even have.....Hear and Believe as creative say
ill leave this as it is...There is a saying..."Never argue with an Idiot"

Yes of course.Specs may blow but not the sound.The noises/hitches were old age with AC97 audio.Mouse noise were too.Do you hear anybody now complain of mouse noise?? NO.OB sound is far greater than 6 years were.And almost beat sound quality of discreet audio.I heard those extra sounds after moving from AC 97.But then all are quite the same.Oh yeah?Hear and believe?I pay for that,bring it home,have the same sound,Can you give my money back,It has same sound?NO we only want to sell.NO returns
And you asked what the diff between OB and discreet.Thats the major difference

Umbata molayak kiyala namayak nadda? What is CA20k1 What is DAC?

CA20k1=It is a DSP....in other words a processor......
DAC=Digital to analog converter which is used for output.......There also is as a Wolfson WM8775 ADC for input........

Coz I have brain unlike you,I showed this up.DAC and APU are two diff things.You indirectly called them the same.And if you can see I have said in that post what is CA20k1.

On the X-Fi? I doubt it but don't know for sure. First, how hot would a DAC really get? Is it worth saving a few degrees to transport digital data to PCI bus, thought the PCI controller, to main memory, to CPU, convert to analogue, back to main memory, back to bus?

Did I say on any other?? I said the APU not the DAC.Understand that.Usually my OB audigy chip runs at 35~38C while on load.SO I have fitted an heatsink on it.DAC runs cooler.And please forward your question to Creative.I’m not the one designed it.But in my view it is worth it.You can switch off(literally) the sound card.But not the CPU.So less power consumption.

 

[zCexVe]

Good Sir...I post according to my experience.. please do not fall for those corporate reviews...please refrain yourself of stating numbers in tests....
this is audio... you cannot measure audio with numbers....

and if you do like to read reviews.... try looking for review that aren't from PC hardware site....
testing audio with PC g33ks is like taking your car to a carpenter for engine repair.

Finally you are not experiencing a true Audigy.......The sound card you have Audigy 2 SE is similar to a Audigy value/SE or Xtreme Audio.......which does not have a hardware DSP as part of the audio chip....It loads the processing on the Hosts CPU....So that kind of audio card is basically a onboard with reduced noise.......If you were talking about a real 2001 Audigy or 2002 Audigy 2 then you will see a significant improvement on sound.......Or you are more than welcome to come to my house and experience X-Fi with my cheapo M5300 speakers......

So please without saying X-Fi is not worth when you don't even own one and the fact that you don't have a proper sound card.......don't give our people the wrong information.......

Click My Siggy........(X-Fi related questions)

They are great reviews ,not just junk.I worked hard to find em.
Sound cards go into PCs.So geeks know what it is like.And we do have amps(Onkyo,Yamaha,Sony and Bose)So I know what sound is like.
And I do have a proper sound card. All the things are built into the mobo.If you check a review on MSI K8N Diamond Plus(remember the plus) you will see when playing an audio,its CPU usage is lower than others.You know the reason.

 

[zCexVe]

EDIT=At that time also i had a separate ESS audio card which sounded far better than the onboard........

Yes at that time.I’m talking about now.I also accept that in the age of AC97,any thing discreet was great.I also have used that thing.Then I switched into SB Live,two versions of em.Then to a C-media then to a C-media which has 6 way and MIDI in(8738 SX,8738 LX) .Then again to Creative an Audigy2.(Had it for like month.Got it coz of a bargain and sold it with 2k profit)Then OB.

 

[zCexVe]

well well look whos talking, the facts are:
* Core 2 CPUs are not made to go beyond 3.2 GHZ (over this limit it will reduce the life span of the CPU by electron leaking in transister levels)

* 160 bucks is a lot u can buy a Radeon 3850 with that kinda money (the best card for that money range) and it will make ur games run faster

* i was not wrong here : "E 6600 mul 9 OC on a 800MHz = 9x400 = 3.6 GHz (almost the limit of a air cooled Core 2 with a G2 revision G0 go a bit higher)
E 6420 mul 8 OC on a 800MHz = 8x400 (corrected from 333) = ~3.0GHz"

u simply confused the 800MHz (what i meant was the speed of the RAM not the FSB) as the FSB, yes i know its quad pumped, thats why i said 9*400(1600/4 = 400

1:1 ratio with the DDR2 ram as u know DDR2 is double pumped means its base freq is 400MHz) and in case u dont know how to multiply 9*400 = 3600 Mathematicaly prooven

400
9 *0 = 0
9*0 = 0
9*4 = 36
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3600
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"And just for the record
E6600 stock is 9*266=2400MHz
E6420 stock is 8*266=2130MHz"

and ur point would be what ???

i was not talking about the stock speeds of these CPU's

anyway sorry for the late reply

Then there is no point Intel makes the Extreme edition if they cant go beyond 3.2 GHz.Pity
Even with the price cuts b4 the day you posted,HD 3850 came to 169 USD officially.So the cards would be higher than that.
Usually everyone tell the FSB or the Base clock after mentioning the multiplier.You mentioned the RAM clock and blame it on me.Thats wrong dear.The appropriate there is the base clock,so I went according to it.
And I am good at multiplying and if it gets hard I have a calculator.
Last part is English.Just for the record means just mentioning.
I hope now you know why I mentioned DDR1 in the first place.Coz this is an Athlon guide.Usually I am capable of identifying a guide where it goes by having a glance at it.
Adios.

 

[zCexVe]

and for the whole sound card thing..yes X-fi has about 15% quality increase over the Audigy and has higher SNR (actualy it is as good as a studio quality recording device) and has about 24 times more processing power than the Audigy (meaning it can process a hell of a lot more audio paths simultaniousely) and it DOES increase gaming performace quite a bit than using a onboard Sound card...and yes you will need a very good audio system hear the difference... i got a Altec Lansing Mx5021 THX and it make a huge difference when i plug the x-fi in (MX5021 is a superb product if u have one u will agree with me)..my recommendation is if u have 100 bucks to spare buy a x-fi (dont buy the x-fi extream Audio it does not have the EMU20K1 core it has the CA0106-WBTLF from Audigy) its worth it...(that is if u already have a great CPU and a Video Card if u dont, spend ur money on them before going for a x-fi)

Well if you say there is a 15% increase in sound quality, nothing more to talk about it sir. How do you measure the quality of a sound in percentage??You can say better but not measure it. Doesn’t increase quite a bit. Just a bit of performance. And even though the CA20K1 is not present in the X-fi Extreme audio,It does the mentioned X-Fi things as X-Fi is a standard not a technology thus not requiring the presence of a CA20K1 to do them.And audigy have EMU 10K2/2.5 isnt it? (Cant remember those codes.Hell lot of em.)AL MX-5021 is one of the best in my list.GTRZ have one too.

 

[zCexVe]

I felt a good difference(well I dont know if its my ears are bad)going from AC97 audio to Creative SB audigy SE ,both are onboard.(The creative one is same as SB 2 ZS external)It felt great with EAX,bass boost and lots of things.But Unfortunately I feel like all the SBs are same in quality like.

This was posted by our dear friend zCexVe on TPU forums...So zCexVe why do you post something like this just to prove me wrong?
EDIT=If your OB Audigy was so great think of a separate Audigy with real Audigy chip........

You can see the post time and date if you are not blind of course. It was before we started this.You act like a baby. Almost all at TPU have proved you wrong too as I see. And I don’t havr to prove you are wrong as you are already.
Why? I listened to music from SB Audigy 2 ZS.With the same Audigy chip.Both fel the same.Don’t own them don’t mean I haven’t listened from them.

 

[zCexVe]

Go to THIS ull find the original guide.......but some links are not working.......

Ahhhh,now comes out the hidden things .Remember silent people are not always dumb or deaf.

 

[chanster]

Yes of course.Specs may blow but not the sound.The noises/hitches were old age with AC97 audio.Mouse noise were too.Do you hear anybody now complain of mouse noise?? NO.OB sound is far greater than 6 years were.And almost beat sound quality of discreet audio.I heard those extra sounds after moving from AC 97.But then all are quite the same.Oh yeah?Hear and believe?I pay for that,bring it home,have the same sound,Can you give my money back,It has same sound?NO we only want to sell.NO returns
And you asked what the diff between OB and discreet.Thats the major difference

Dont think everyones ears are the same.....Then my ears must be more sensitive than yours......If you look at the "make your music listening experience better" thread ull find that people like Sri Lion couldn't notice a difference.....But people like Anusha could notice the difference.......

Just because you don't hear a difference it doesn't meant that OB and After market are the same.....For some people both OB and addon are the same but for some Addon is much better than OB!.......

 

[cruthrones]

thnx 4 da dose infooo.........

 

[tharuksha123]

ela...

 

[Anusha]

Dont think everyones ears are the same.....Then my ears must be more sensitive than yours......If you look at the "make your music listening experience better" thread ull find that people like Sri Lion couldn't notice a difference.....But people like Anusha could notice the difference.......

Just because you don't hear a difference it doesn't meant that OB and After market are the same.....For some people both OB and addon are the same but for some Addon is much better than OB!.......

Oops. I was wrong. I now can't find a difference. Read my recent post there and you will understand.

 

[chanster]

Ok but there were ppl who could see a difference........

 

[Anusha]

Ok but there were ppl who could see a difference........

I'm just glad I didn't, because it would have made things too complex for me

 

[Sasika@Elakiri]

bumpy bump