REPLIES TO THE MOST COMMON QUESTIONS ASKED BY NON-MUSLIMS

[firoz85]

What adults? Aisha was a child who was still playing with dolls when Mohammed decided he wanted her. Nobody asked for her consent. Her parents just gave her away.

And you are beating round and round the bush.

Please explain why the last prophet of Allah would not know/wasn't informed that marrying children would become unacceptable by the 21st century?

If you perceive 9 yr olds of that time to be of the same maturity level of the 9 year olds today(dolls and cartoons) then you are wrong . Even in todays world if you take a 9 year old (girl or boy) from a poor 3rd world corne who has to cope and meet with the very basic needs and compare her a child straight of manhattan new york who has grown up with all the luxuries in life , you expect the same level of maturity from both ? My point being your definition of adulthood/age needs to be reviewed in terms of maturity and not in years .

Further more even if you take age,she was already biologically a woman !
She had started her mensuration. This is a more significant coming of age !

You say she was married off without her consent ! You fail to prove any discontent on her part ! She lived on many years after the Prophet (PBUH) and there has not been a single statement of the slightest discontent . On the contrary she turned out to be the 4th most informative source of Hadith (Prophetic Practice) and spoke of nothing but praise for him. She remained unmarried for the rest of her life !

Lastly , who says everything is to be judged by the standards of the standards of the 21st century ? Clearly this is not the utopia it claims to be . We have been given a value system which does not change with societies perception of it !

 

[nadeeshaF]

If you perceive 9 yr olds of that time to be of the same maturity level of the 9 year olds today(dolls and cartoons) then you are wrong . Even in todays world if you take a 9 year old (girl or boy) from a poor 3rd world corne who has to cope and meet with the very basic needs and compare her a child straight of manhattan new york who has grown up with all the luxuries in life , you expect the same level of maturity from both ? My point being your definition of adulthood/age needs to be reviewed in terms of maturity and not in years .

Further more even if you take age,she was already biologically a woman !
She had started her mensuration. This is a more significant coming of age !

You say she was married off without her consent ! You fail to prove any discontent on her part ! She lived on many years after the Prophet (PBUH) and there has not been a single statement of the slightest discontent . On the contrary she turned out to be the 4th most informative source of Hadith (Prophetic Practice) and spoke of nothing but praise for him. She remained unmarried for the rest of her life !

Lastly , who says everything is to be judged by the standards of the standards of the 21st century ? Clearly this is not the utopia it claims to be . We have been given a value system which does not change with societies perception of it !

Biologically she may have been ready, but mentally? It's clear she wasn't as she stated she was "playing" with dolls. How can a child still playing with her toys possibly be ready to have sex with a 50 year old man the next minute?

Your argument is baseless because puberty doesn't equal you to an adult overnight. And Aisha was not an adult.

I am also not accusing Mohammed of ill-treating Aisha, because she was his favourite wife. Also, I can't imagine any of his wives contemplating divorce from him. Divorce from a man of his power would cause dire consequences, so they all probably suck it up.
You can see a rebellious streak in Aisha however, just by the personal things she aired out such as mohammed's semen drenched clothes.
Why would a wife who loved her husband sincererly, mention such things after his death?

I didn't say "everything" has to be judged by today's standards! But please don't use that as an argument to try and moralise child brides and peadophilia in order to defend mohammed.

It is wrong on so many levels, and it's sick of you to try an justify that. Our society today is far from perfect for sure, but things like recognising and discouraging peadophilia are a step forward in the right direction. I can let go people back then doing it, but when it comes to the supposed "prophet of all-knowing allah", it is unacceptable to me. He should not have done it since he's words and actions are supposed to be 'timeless'. In this instance, they clearly aren't.

 

[Wal Bada]

1. The timeline of things was not his major argument . You ignored the fact that this was a marriage ! and in itself completely lawful.Further more they were both adults , as in She was a woman !

Thisis news to me. 9 year old an adult? ROFLMAO

2. You have to understand that you are viewing this relationships by todays standards and norms of society(which by noway is perfect).The norms of society change from time to time and from place to place . In Islam we have guidelines to apply irrespective of time or place -eternal . In this particular case (marriage) , as long as the bride and groom are adults they are eligible for marriage.
In society , whats good today would not or could not be good tomorrow . The standards or definition of good and evil change ! In Islam we beleive whats good and bad has been revealed to us by God and this we adhere to irrespective of time and place! If a ruler measures 5cms today it should measure 5cms tomorrow as well !

So this means that Islam is based on 7th century society and is unacceptable for todays norms?

 

[shaunpollock200]

All NadeeshaF talks is dirty, so I do not want to read her posts or reply, its improper.

Anyway, I hope she would find a female to seek advice on this.

I do not want decent men to read what this shameful woman writes,
after all, men and women interaction has to be on strict barrier levels outside of marriage.

So ignore and skip posts of shame.

I have to STOP on this thread, more it continues, more dirty words it gets added, which in turn corrupts good minds.

I have to stop...

PEACE to ALL..

 

[firoz85]

Biologically she may have been ready, but mentally? It's clear she wasn't as she stated she was "playing" with dolls. How can a child still playing with her toys possibly be ready to have sex with a 50 year old man the next minute?

Your argument is baseless because puberty doesn't equal you to an adult overnight. And Aisha was not an adult.

I am also not accusing Mohammed of ill-treating Aisha, because she was his favourite wife. Also, I can't imagine any of his wives contemplating divorce from him. Divorce from a man of his power would cause dire consequences, so they all probably suck it up.
You can see a rebellious streak in Aisha however, just by the personal things she aired out such as mohammed's semen drenched clothes.
Why would a wife who loved her husband sincererly, mention such things after his death?

I didn't say "everything" has to be judged by today's standards! But please don't use that as an argument to try and moralise child brides and peadophilia in order to defend mohammed.

It is wrong on so many levels, and it's sick of you to try an justify that. Our society today is far from perfect for sure, but things like recognising and discouraging peadophilia are a step forward in the right direction. I can let go people back then doing it, but when it comes to the supposed "prophet of all-knowing allah", it is unacceptable to me. He should not have done it since he's words and actions are supposed to be 'timeless'. In this instance, they clearly aren't.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZdLd5e_rE

Let me tell you about your quotations for tom,as of now is my shutdown time! past optimum
toodles

 

[Wal Bada]

My point being your definition of adulthood/age needs to be reviewed in terms of maturity and not in years .

It is very well defined. Maturity is defined as he age of consent which is 16. Ev en at 16, a girl is not a fully grwn woman. You are talking plain bullshit.

 

[Wal Bada]

I do not want decent men to read what this shameful woman writes,
after all, men and women interaction has to be on strict barrier levels outside of marriage.

So live in that desert bandits 7th century dream. You are like a invalid coin,or n outdated calendar. Open your eyes, this is 21st century!

 

[nadeeshaF]

All NadeeshaF talks is dirty, so I do not want to read her posts or reply, its improper.

Anyway, I hope she would find a female to seek advice on this.

I do not want decent men to read what this shameful woman writes,
after all, men and women interaction has to be on strict barrier levels outside of marriage.

So ignore and skip posts of shame.

I have to STOP on this thread, more it continues, more dirty words it gets added, which in turn corrupts good minds.

I have to stop...

PEACE to ALL..

Your accusations make me laugh! I think you are scared that what I'm saying may start to make some sense to a few or result in confusing them at least. I'm happy that my posts are scaring you this much


What words are you specifically referring to?


I have not used profanity in my last few posts and have only quoted what mohammed's wife has said. LOL! If that displeases you lay the blame on Aisha, those are her words -not mine!

Since you have nothing constructive to add to this discussion you are just trying to humiliate me through baseless accusations, with the hope that I will leave. That won't happen, however.

 

[Nash_Node]

Lastly , who says everything is to be judged by the standards of the standards of the 21st century ? Clearly this is not the utopia it claims to be . We have been given a value system which does not change with societies perception of it !

So..... that means your ALL-KNOW- GOD- DA-MAN preached something which is not eternal ?

Yet you are here ready to die for his outdated preachings ?...

Pitty !

 

[Nash_Node]

All NadeeshaF talks is dirty, so I do not want to read her posts or reply, its improper.

Anyway, I hope she would find a female to seek advice on this.

I do not want decent men to read what this shameful woman writes,
after all, men and women interaction has to be on strict barrier levels outside of marriage.

So ignore and skip posts of shame.

I have to STOP on this thread, more it continues, more dirty words it gets added, which in turn corrupts good minds.

I have to stop...

PEACE to ALL..

:::scratches my head:::

eerr.. dude. ! .... may god have mercy on your poor parents for giving birth to a child with mutilated DNA !

 

[sri_lion]

I do not want decent men to read what this shameful woman writes, after all, men and women interaction has to be on strict barrier levels outside of marriage.

So ignore and skip posts of shame.

I have to STOP on this thread, more it continues, more dirty words it gets added, which in turn corrupts good minds.

Typical Islamic mindset..

Hide the truth and show fantasy to the world!

Ignorant minds are ideal to follow Islam.. not others!!

 

[priyadarshaka]

Thx

 

[firoz85]

Biologically she may have been ready, but mentally? It's clear she wasn't as she stated she was "playing" with dolls. How can a child still playing with her toys possibly be ready to have sex with a 50 year old man the next minute?

Your argument is baseless because puberty doesn't equal you to an adult overnight. And Aisha was not an adult.

I am also not accusing Mohammed of ill-treating Aisha, because she was his favourite wife. Also, I can't imagine any of his wives contemplating divorce from him. Divorce from a man of his power would cause dire consequences, so they all probably suck it up.
You can see a rebellious streak in Aisha however, just by the personal things she aired out such as mohammed's semen drenched clothes.
Why would a wife who loved her husband sincererly, mention such things after his death?

I didn't say "everything" has to be judged by today's standards! But please don't use that as an argument to try and moralise child brides and peadophilia in order to defend mohammed.

It is wrong on so many levels, and it's sick of you to try an justify that. Our society today is far from perfect for sure, but things like recognising and discouraging peadophilia are a step forward in the right direction. I can let go people back then doing it, but when it comes to the supposed "prophet of all-knowing allah", it is unacceptable to me. He should not have done it since he's words and actions are supposed to be 'timeless'. In this instance, they clearly aren't.

Hello again ! hope the link helped .

How do you define adulthood ? Is there a definitive point in time where you are defined an adult ? Today in some 'modern' 'developed' ideal '21st century' countries the age of sexual consent is 12 and in others even 15 (18 usually being the oldest)- irrespective if your a grown woman or not . Islam gives us comprehensive guidlines in all aspects of life. If a man and woman are of biological age , then they are eligible for marriage (with consent of the bride/groom/and parents of course).
If your basis on attaining adulthood is the ability to judge right from wrong and bad from good , then you cant really set a numerical age to that can you ! I think it will be fair of me to say 9 yr olds of that time (or even from not so long ago) are much more of adults than many of todays 'teenagers' and adults !


You say that none of the prophets wives revoked or divorced him because of 'fear of punishment'.Thats being a bit presumptious of you because many of them outlived the prophet and spoke of nothing but praise for him.If you are to presume they remained silent out of fear of punishment (no proof) then you should also presume that they were content and happy to be married to him(ample proof).Besides there have been no single incident where the prophet was even slightly harsh or abused women , let alone his wives !

Paedophelia is defined as : sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object/.Sex or sexual activity with children who have not reached puberty.

Marriage is defined as :the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law.

Pls dont confuse the two ! There is honor love and dignity in marriage .You make it sound like Aisha was an abused and traumatized woman ! Did she grow up to have the traits of an abused and disturbed child ? On the contrary she turned out to be one of the greatest Scholars of Islam ! She was a fountain of knowledge and was vibrant in spreading what she had learned from the prophet to the others. How is this a sign of an abused molested child !?

The course of the marriage have been a source and basis of many aspects of family law and family rights in Islam. For example what the duties/rights of the spouses over each other.

About the narration you quoted . You see Islam gives a comprehensive guidline of how to live all aspects of our life . For this purpose almost everything of the Prophets life has been recorded. This narration was used to to rectify the dilemna of whether muslim men are allowed to offer their prayers some time after being intimate with their wives.So based on this narration it was concluded that if it is semen on cloth , it can be washed off with water (but not if its sperm-then a bath). I dont see how narrating this is an insult to the Prophet !

I still stand by statement saying his words and actions are timeless ! All you have to do is look around and see the problems that this promiscuos sex driven culture has brought to society ! The number of unpubercised children engaging in sexual activities,the number of single mothers,diseases,and all the stress and trauma of girlfrien/boyfriend breakup,confused teenagers, homosexuality and other negatives brought into to society ! Dont you think that reinstilling the value and honor that lies within the institution of marriage to budding youth would set things straight ?

Some narrations have been twisted and turned(like some of your other quotations) and some even fabricated and when eventually presented in bad light , obviously paints a bad image of Islam.

Anyways the bigger picture here is not a matter of me being right or you being right.Its what you beleive and what i beleive.To you your religion and to me mine!

For me personally the aunthencity of a religion lies in it core values.In Islam

1.Beleif in One Almighty God whom there is no one like.
2.Angels
2.His book of Guidance The Quran revealed to us through Muhammed (S.A.W) - to show us how to implement it.
3.The prophets , revelations to them.
4.Judgement day and the hereafter - without which i personally beleive there cannot be true justice !

So once you submit to that , whatever is authentic and allowed is permissible , and whatever is prohibited we abstain ! like it or not !
We have bee given a comprehensive guide to life.The Creator knows better than the creation ! So in that reqard there have been a set of laws and guidlines prescribed to us in all spheres . Family Society State Spiritual !

Id like to take note here and mention to all those who start such threads (be it any religion) or those who debate (not argue) to construct informative construct conversations of 'conveying' and not 'convincing' ! There have been many 'Im right your soo wrong' sort of threads goin on around which is not cool . Respect!

cherio

 

[Wal Bada]

How do you define adulthood ? Is there a definitive point in time where you are defined an adult ? Today in some 'modern' 'developed' ideal '21st century' countries the age of sexual consent is 12 and in others even 15 (18 usually being the oldest)

Source

The lowest age for consent is 13, and that is in Japan. Don't lie. The average age is 16

 

[Wal Bada]

If your basis on attaining adulthood is the ability to judge right from wrong and bad from good , then you cant really set a numerical age to that can you ! I think it will be fair of me to say 9 yr olds of that time (or even from not so long ago) are much more of adults than many of todays 'teenagers' and adults !

Typical Islamic mind set. Yes, we cannot tell whether a particular person is mature enough to ive consent. But we know that there are a greater proportion of such people in a population at age of 16 rather than at 9. And at 16 that proportion is such a large one, and increasing the age will not cause large increase of thr population.

 

[Wal Bada]

You say that none of the prophets wives revoked or divorced him because of 'fear of punishment'.Thats being a bit presumptious of you because many of them outlived the prophet and spoke of nothing but praise for him

According to Quran but no other sources? LMAO

 

[saharaz]

According to Quran? LMAO

give us the above mention chapter and verse number of the Al Quran as you say so we can also clarrify and discuss about that tooo ???

give us the chapter and verse number ...............

 

[Wal Bada]

spoke of nothing but praise for him

Show me this is true with refrence to any other texts than Quran and Hadiths.

 

[Keshantha]

ane manda aagam vade adaganna epa muslim aagama honda nam ai me Sunni muslin shiya muslim kiyala deviayan kotas dekak mavala ,,,,,, ane ane

 

[saharaz]

Source

The lowest age for consent is 13, and that is in Japan. Don't lie. The average age is 16

hahaha
you know what it is not in japan it is in SRI LANKA ..... check below

Muslim Intestate Succession Ordinance 1931 - sri lanka
Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act 1951 - sri lanka
Muslim Mosques and Charitable Trusts and Waqfs Act 1956 - sri lanka

Marriage Age: in general, the minimum marriage age is 18; for Muslims, the rule is that a girl must be 12 years of age or have a Quazi?s permission to marry before contracting into marriage.

check the source - http://www.law.emory.edu/ifl/legal/srilanka.htm