REPLIES TO THE MOST COMMON QUESTIONS ASKED BY NON-MUSLIMS

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    saharaz said:
    hahaha :lol: :lol:
    you know what it is not in japan it is in SRI LANKA ..... check below

    Muslim Intestate Succession Ordinance 1931 - sri lanka
    Muslim Marriage and Divorce Act 1951 - sri lanka
    Muslim Mosques and Charitable Trusts and Waqfs Act 1956 - sri lanka

    Marriage Age
    : in general, the minimum marriage age is 18; for Muslims, the rule is that a girl must be 12 years of age or have a Quazi?s permission to marry before contracting into marriage.

    check the source - http://www.law.emory.edu/ifl/legal/srilanka.htm

    :shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:


    So at the end of the day... what you are trying to prove is that Childhood marriage is approved by the Quran ?

    shame :no:
     

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    Nash_Node said:
    So at the end of the day... what you are trying to prove is that Childhood marriage is approved by the Quran ?

    shame :no:

    i'm not talking about the Al Quran here i'm talking about the sri lankan Marriage and Divorce Act 1951 it was for mr.walbada check below ......

    Wal Bada said:

    Source

    The lowest age for consent is 13, and that is in Japan. Don't lie. The average age is 16


    the Al Quran doesn't give a particular marriagable age .......
     

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    firoz85 said:
    Hello again ! hope the link helped .

    How do you define adulthood ? Is there a definitive point in time where you are defined an adult ? Today in some 'modern' 'developed' ideal '21st century' countries the age of sexual consent is 12 and in others even 15 (18 usually being the oldest)- irrespective if your a grown woman or not . Islam gives us comprehensive guidlines in all aspects of life. If a man and woman are of biological age , then they are eligible for marriage (with consent of the bride/groom/and parents of course).

    Yes there is a definition, and I have quoted it in this very thread. Please refer back. Countries where the age of consent is 12, are few and far in between. A Majority of countries have it at 15 years or more. In the future you can expect those countries that have it at 12 to raise the bar as well.

    When you talk of the age of consent, know the reason behind it. The age of consent has been legalized so as to protect minors/chilren from being taken sexual advantage of.

    No matter what you say, Mohammed was a little over five times as old as Aisha; an experienced adult. He took a liking to her and made the move. No where is it documented that Aisha took a personal interest in Mohammed prior to the marriage. Her consent wasn't asked, and her parents obliged to his request and gave her away. If this isn't taking sexual advantage of a minor I don't know what is. This would be a punishable crime, where both Mohammed and her parents would be held accountable had it happened today in any non-islamic country. The laws of today contradict Mohammed's laws.



    firoz85 said:
    If your basis on attaining adulthood is the ability to judge right from wrong and bad from good , then you cant really set a numerical age to that can you ! I think it will be fair of me to say 9 yr olds of that time (or even from not so long ago) are much more of adults than many of todays 'teenagers' and adults !

    That is simply heresay on your part. What evidence do you have to prove that Aisha was mentally mature? My evidence against this, is the fact that she was still playing with dolls at the time. I think that tells us A LOT about her overall maturity at the time of marriage.



    firoz85 said:
    You say that none of the prophets wives revoked or divorced him because of 'fear of punishment'.Thats being a bit presumptious of you because many of them outlived the prophet and spoke of nothing but praise for him.If you are to presume they remained silent out of fear of punishment (no proof) then you should also presume that they were content and happy to be married to him(ample proof).Besides there have been no single incident where the prophet was even slightly harsh or abused women , let alone his wives !

    Praise?! What do you call Aisha's incessant ramblings about Mohammed's seimen stained clothes, tongue sucking, spit swapping and other such personal details ?
    Do you really believe that a wife who loves her husband would go on to divulge such intimate details to the public, after his death?


    firoz85 said:
    Paedophelia is defined as : sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object/.Sex or sexual activity with children who have not reached puberty.

    Marriage is defined as :the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law.

    I see that you have conveniently changed the definition of peadophilia to include, "children who have not reached puberty". I can't find a single definition that has that bit. Why change? Scared that Mohammed would otherwise nicely fit within the accepted definition?

    The the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines ‘children’ as persons up to the age of 18. (source: http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unyin/qanda.htm)


    firoz85 said:
    Pls dont confuse the two ! There is honor love and dignity in marriage .You make it sound like Aisha was an abused and traumatized woman ! Did she grow up to have the traits of an abused and disturbed child ? On the contrary she turned out to be one of the greatest Scholars of Islam ! She was a fountain of knowledge and was vibrant in spreading what she had learned from the prophet to the others. How is this a sign of an abused molested child !?

    The course of the marriage have been a source and basis of many aspects of family law and family rights in Islam. For example what the duties/rights of the spouses over each other.

    I am not confusing the two.

    Can you tell me why Mohammed was attracted to a child of 6 years in the first place?

    It surely cannot be her intellect, since I don't recall any documented evidence of Mohammed mentioning such a thing or holding conversations with her in order to be impressed in that manner. The only reason I see is a pure sexual attraction, and I find that very disturbing.




    firoz85 said:
    About the narration you quoted . You see Islam gives a comprehensive guidline of how to live all aspects of our life . For this purpose almost everything of the Prophets life has been recorded. This narration was used to to rectify the dilemna of whether muslim men are allowed to offer their prayers some time after being intimate with their wives.So based on this narration it was concluded that if it is semen on cloth , it can be washed off with water (but not if its sperm-then a bath). I dont see how narrating this is an insult to the Prophet !

    Alright. Then what of her quote regarding him sucking her tongue? LOL, was that to tell Muslim men that they are allowed to suck their wives tongues too? :confused: If that were the case, it would be a very weak argument. I think the messenger of God should have more important things to teach mankind than sucking their partners' tongues. :rolleyes:

    I would also like to know why is that only Aisha spoke of their intimate times. If every aspect of his life was recorded as you say, how come his other wives didn't talk of what he was up to when he spent the night with them?


    firoz85 said:
    I still stand by statement saying his words and actions are timeless ! All you have to do is look around and see the problems that this promiscuos sex driven culture has brought to society ! The number of unpubercised children engaging in sexual activities,the number of single mothers,diseases,and all the stress and trauma of girlfrien/boyfriend breakup,confused teenagers, homosexuality and other negatives brought into to society ! Dont you think that reinstilling the value and honor that lies within the institution of marriage to budding youth would set things straight ?

    You can stand by your beliefs, but the facts tell us that what Mohammed did then is "illegal" by today's standards. Your beliefs are not going to change that.

    firoz85 said:
    Some narrations have been twisted and turned(like some of your other quotations) and some even fabricated and when eventually presented in bad light , obviously paints a bad image of Islam.

    Other muslim members have said that too with regard to certain hadith quotes, but have failed to provide evidence that suggest so when requested. Do you have any evidence disproving those quotes?
     

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    nadeeshaF said:
    Yes there is a definition, and I have quoted it in this very thread. Please refer back. Countries where the age of consent is 12, are few and far in between. A Majority of countries have it at 15 years or more. In the future you can expect those countries that have it at 12 to raise the bar as well.

    When you talk of the age of consent, know the reason behind it. The age of consent has been legalized so as to protect minors/chilren from being taken sexual advantage of.

    No matter what you say, Mohammed was a little over five times as old as Aisha; an experienced adult. He took a liking to her and made the move. No where is it documented that Aisha took a personal interest in Mohammed prior to the marriage. Her consent wasn't asked, and her parents obliged to his request and gave her away. If this isn't taking sexual advantage of a minor I don't know what is. This would be a punishable crime, where both Mohammed and her parents would be held accountable had it happened today in any non-islamic country. The laws of today contradict Mohammed's laws.





    That is simply heresay on your part. What evidence do you have to prove that Aisha was mentally mature? My evidence against this, is the fact that she was still playing with dolls at the time. I think that tells us A LOT about her overall maturity at the time of marriage.





    Praise?! What do you call Aisha's incessant ramblings about Mohammed's seimen stained clothes, tongue sucking, spit swapping and other such personal details ?
    Do you really believe that a wife who loves her husband would go on to divulge such intimate details to the public, after his death?




    I see that you have conveniently changed the definition of peadophilia to include, "children who have not reached puberty". I can't find a single definition that has that bit. Why change? Scared that Mohammed would otherwise nicely fit within the accepted definition?

    The the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines ‘children’ as persons up to the age of 18. (source: http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unyin/qanda.htm)




    I am not confusing the two.

    Can you tell me why Mohammed was attracted to a child of 6 years in the first place?

    It surely cannot be her intellect, since I don't recall any documented evidence of Mohammed mentioning such a thing or holding conversations with her in order to be impressed in that manner. The only reason I see is a pure sexual attraction, and I find that very disturbing.






    Alright. Then what of her quote regarding him sucking her tongue? LOL, was that to tell Muslim men that they are allowed to suck their wives tongues too? :confused: If that were the case, it would be a very weak argument. I think the messenger of God should have more important things to teach mankind than sucking their partners' tongues. :rolleyes:

    I would also like to know why is that only Aisha spoke of their intimate times. If every aspect of his life was recorded as you say, how come his other wives didn't talk of what he was up to when he spent the night with them?




    You can stand by your beliefs, but the facts tell us that what Mohammed did then is "illegal" by today's standards. Your beliefs are not going to change that.



    Other muslim members have said that too with regard to certain hadith quotes, but have failed to provide evidence that suggest so when requested. Do you have any evidence disproving those quotes?

    That reply was....eeerr....
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    ... Jaw dropping


    Remind me NEVER to get on your bad side

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    sri_lion said:
    There's enough threads about this already I don't intend to start new thread for such issues.. unlike groups of Muslims in this forum already on a mission to post as much Islamic threads as possible to prove the so called false theories.. probably this is because of the same reason that Muslims value Quantity over Quality!!

    Anyway... If you have any issue lets discuss here.. lets start!!

    same islamophobia ......

    GROUPS OF MUSLIMS (terrorized ??) MISSION (jihad) TO POST ISLAMIC THREADS ....

    THIS IS CALLED ANTIISLAMISM THE SAME METHOD OF SAME ANTI ISLAMIC PROPAGANDA CARRIED OUT BY ZIONIST WESTENERS
     

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    saharaz said:
    same islamophobia ......

    GROUPS OF MUSLIMS (terrorized ??) MISSION (jihad) TO POST ISLAMIC THREADS ....

    THIS IS CALLED ANTIISLAMISM THE SAME METHOD OF SAME ANTI ISLAMIC PROPAGANDA CARRIED OUT BY ZIONIST WESTENERS

    I said Group of Muslims because there are ones that do not do this! :lol: If it is not true then suit yourself! :lol::lol:

    Why if it is Jihad then is it against Q'ran? :lol::lol::lol:

    The biggest Jihad to be carried out by Allah... you know when! :lol::lol:
     

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    madurax86 said:
    please go here and see the truth its been told by a muslim

    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Prasadh60104.htm

    ha ha ha ha :lol: :lol: :lol:

    the same old story (crap) of ali sina ....... dear brother please check below very very very very few websits which are refuting your big Big BIG ali zina's faithfrreedom.com

    http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_faithfreedom_orghttp://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_faithfreedom_org
    http://www.examinethetruth.com/ahmed_response1.htm
    http://muslim-responses.com/Apostacy...and_Terrorism_
    http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19076
    http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/alisina_intro.htm
    http://answering-ff.blogspot.com/2008/12/refutation-of-christian-polemics.html
    http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org/archive/index.php/t-4544.html
    http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/faithfreedom-wikiislam/refuting-ali-sina-aisha-child-wife-muhammad-307.html

    there are many scholars of Islam and many websites / forums refute him i'm also waiting till he fullfill his promises a prize of $50,000 and removing the website ....... hmm not yet happen after all this refutation let's wait see what is his new jestification :P
     

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    saharaz said:
    ha ha ha ha :lol: :lol: :lol:

    the same old story (crap) of ali sina ....... dear brother please check below very very very very few websits which are refuting your big Big BIG ali zina's faithfrreedom.com

    http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_faithfreedom_org
    http://www.examinethetruth.com/ahmed_response1.htm
    http://muslim-responses.com/Apostacy...and_Terrorism_
    http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19076
    http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/alisina_intro.htm
    http://answering-ff.blogspot.com/2008/12/refutation-of-christian-polemics.html
    http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org/archive/index.php/t-4544.html
    http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/faithfreedom-wikiislam/refuting-ali-sina-aisha-child-wife-muhammad-307.html

    there are many scholars of Islam and many websites / forums refute him i'm also waiting till he fullfill his promises a prize of $50,000 and removing the website ....... hmm not yet happen after all this refutation let's wait see what is his new jestification :P

    I went through some of their refutations, and they failed to convince me.

    Ali Sina by the way is ONLY giving a reward of $50,000 to anyone who refutes his following claims of mohammmed:
    a narcissist a misogynista rapista pedophile a lechera torturer a mass murderer a cult leaderan assassin a terrorist a mad mana looter
    source:
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/

    Saharaz, none of those links you provided had any sort of refutation against these claims. So it is fair to say that Ali Sina stands correct to date, until proven wrong on the above claims.
     
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    saharaz said:
    ha ha ha ha :lol: :lol: :lol:

    the same old story (crap) of ali sina ....... dear brother please check below very very very very few websits which are refuting your big Big BIG ali zina's faithfrreedom.com

    http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/refuting_faithfreedom_org
    http://www.examinethetruth.com/ahmed_response1.htm
    http://muslim-responses.com/Apostacy...and_Terrorism_
    http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19076
    http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/alisina_intro.htm
    http://answering-ff.blogspot.com/2008/12/refutation-of-christian-polemics.html
    http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org/archive/index.php/t-4544.html
    http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/faithfreedom-wikiislam/refuting-ali-sina-aisha-child-wife-muhammad-307.html

    there are many scholars of Islam and many websites / forums refute him i'm also waiting till he fullfill his promises a prize of $50,000 and removing the website ....... hmm not yet happen after all this refutation let's wait see what is his new jestification :P


    That's a whole lot of websites full of crap !

    Mix them all together and you might even be able to generate Bio mass for electricity !

    Sheezz :baffled:
     

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    It's an injustice to NOT marry girls aged 10, says Saudi cleric

    Ten-year-old girls are ready for marriage, according to Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric.

    Sheikh Abdul-Aziz Al Sheikh, the country's grand mufti, told Al Hayat newspaper that those saying ten or 12-year-old girls are too young to marry are being 'unfair' to them.

    Al Sheikh's comments come at a time when Saudi human rights groups have been pushing the government to put an end to marriages involving the very young and to define a minimum age for marriage.

    In the past few months, Saudi newspapers have highlighted several cases in which young girls were married off to much older men or very young boys.

    Read More >>

    Bloody Sick Maniacs!!!:baffled::baffled:
     

    saharaz

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    sri_lion said:
    This thread was proved BULLSHIT long long time ago!!

    You and your Chinese Buddhism! :lol::lol:

    I say again... you can never connect Allah to Buddhism... its just a BIG JOKE

    chinese buddhism ????? sounds good :eek:

    that thread is having prophesies from tripitaka then tripitaka also belongs to chinese buddhism i didn't know this before ...... :P

    check below prophesy it is from tripitaka..... regarding the arrival of a messenger after buddah's decease.

    (From Ceylon Sources.)
    Ananda "said to the Blessed One.
    'Who shall teach us when thou art gone?"'
    And the Blessed One replied:-
    'I am not the first Buddha who came upon the earth, nor shall I be the last. In due time anothr Buddha will arise in the world, a holy one, a supremely enlightened one, endowed with wisdom in conduct, auspicious, knowing the universe, an incomparable leader of men, a master of angels and mortals. He will reveal to you the same eternal truths which I have taught you. He will preach his religion, glorious in its origin, glorious at the climax, and, glorious at the goal. He will proclaim a religious life, wholly perfect a pure, such as I now proclaim. His disciples will number many thousand, while mine number many hundred.'
    Ananda said, 'How shall we know him?'
    The Blessed One replied, 'He will be known Maitreya.......................'
    The Gospel of Buddha by Carus. PP. 217-8

    wait a miniute ...... what the thread is proved bulshit ????
    two things are in my mind after read this
    who proved it wrong ?
    how proved it wrong ?

    the last thing is i do agree its just a BIG JOKE when some one connect Allah to Buddhism

    you know why ?
    the buddhism followed by so called buddhists in the present are not 100% based on the teachings on buddha. i think you agree on this.
     

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    Nash_Node said:
    That's a whole lot of websites full of crap !

    Mix them all together and you might even be able to generate Bio mass for electricity !

    Sheezz :baffled:

    give this idea to CEYLON ELECTRICITY BOARD...... :rofl:
     

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    nadeeshaF said:
    I went through some of their refutations, and they failed to convince me.

    Ali Sina by the way is ONLY giving a reward of $50,000 to anyone who refutes his following claims of mohammmed:
    a narcissista misogynista rapista pedophilea lechera torturera mass murderera cult leaderan assassina terrorista mad mana looter
    source:
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/

    Saharaz, none of those links you provided had any sort of refutation against these claims. So it is fair to say that Ali Sina stands correct to date, until proven wrong on the above claims.

    Sis nadeeshf those websites are not to conveince you but to refute ali zina even he accept you won't accept we all know that

    may be who knows what will happen
    Allah Almighty knows best
     

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    saharaz said:
    Sis nadeeshf those websites are not to conveince you but to refute ali zina even he accept you won't accept we all know that

    may be who knows what will happen
    Allah Almighty knows best

    That maybe, but you didn't get my second point.

    Ali Sina's 'challenge' to muslims, is not to refute everything he has written, although Muslims are more than welcome to do that. It is to refute the specific claims he has made about Mohammed. For example being a mass murderer, peadophile, and torturer among other things. All the claims are listed in the page I gave the link to. (refer:http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/)

    None of the websites you posted as having refuted him, have actually refuted these claims. That is what he wants muslims to do.

    Show me one that has any of the above claims, if I am wrong. They have only taken jabs here and there at general articles penned by Sina, and those too appear to be very weak arguments from the few I read. So Ali Sina remains right, until proven wrong.