SPEECH OF AN IDOL GUIDING THE MISGUIDED

[freon]

Have you never ever heard any human in this world sacrifice him/her life for other's sake to come to conclusion that it is not practical?

Here's an example, this is nothing but love for others above yourself!

Buddhism is not about what majority do unless its the right thing to do!

the example has nothing to do with, breaking away from the cycle or giving one cheek for the other. thats what i told not practical

even mahathma gandi didnt do it, he was supported by a wave of active resistance all over india. thats what became a problem for the britains. and they just used gandhi to keep a good name for him..indians tried non-violance for sometimes and it failed, then realised enemy should be dealt with the language he understands, that was the practical solution.

Yes! correct if you look through Buddhism these are to be condemned too, and don't forget that when Buddhism was at its peak in India many cold blooded killers came into the right path and became remembered as legends.. like King Ashoka for an instance, though India is a hindu country thier greatest King was a Buddhist!

So you are trying to measure out Buddhism, through internal and external conflicts of Sri Lanka is totally the wrong method, it is not the fault of the religion that it is not practiced by people properly.. because there are no loopholes or glitches there to exploit!

This is also because Buddhism does not enforce you follow it and tell you that you are answerable to some unseen god whom will punish you thus grow fear in you to get you glued into that faith!

this is the point i was emphasizing before as well, buddism stand differes according to situation. you say king ashoka was a buddist ruler. (ruling is a worldly matter right?) so buddism did go into politics.

btw, being a king just like siddartha he didnt leave his throne or royal life to seek the truth. but still was engaged in worldly matter, ruling. cos you itself told me there's way called buddist ruling. you cant rule poeple or bind them to faith. so if asoka was a great buddist as you claim he would've understood that and followed isnt he?

but the fact even today is, buddist monks are in parliment to make a "daham rajyaya"..so what people see goes agains what you say.

Err.. is it.. when Allah said self defense, Jesus say be humble.. this is why we say.. flaws in the creation = flaws in the creator!!

i already told my stance in chrsitianity, show me the authentic source that says jesus said like that. btw, check how many versus in quran talks about self defence and how many talks about humble.

Just because he talks against US whatever he does becomes right?

Majority of the Muslims accept and supportive of him because Muslims see US as an enemy of Islam or so does Bin Laden has pictured it for them, and then comes the verse of self defense and Bin Laden is smartly bring it into play!!

The verse exploited!!!

and people with "take what you see" will always gulp it without a problem and think its islams problem, but its not.btw, when it comes to buddism you always say dont take it for face value
and how do you know majority of the muslims support? CNN,BBC?

Do I have any proof of Nirvana? HAHA NO I DONT, because my state of mind is nowhere near archiving Nirvana, if one day I behave as a true Buddhist and devote my life to Buddhism I may be clear on how to achieve it.. Long way to go!

sorry my mistake, normally people practice and then preach..thats what budda did i guess so i thought when you question others i thought you practice what you say. so is it hard to put it into practice? so hard that a normal human finds very difficult?just for my info

Good question, at the right time too.... Juziers and me we were discussing about it just a couple of posts back when I asked about the Tsunami he said Allah has punished all those people for what they've done including infants who knew nothing about it.... So are you ready to ask the same question from Islam too? Those people did not know what they were punished for!

the point is you belive its a punishment, and you dont know for what. see you are a blinde believer too.

Mahathma Gandhi did it!

no he didnt, heard of subash chandra bose? there were more than 200 resistance leaders all over india.

If anyone hate me there's nothing I can do about it... because I cannot control that for you now can I? The only thing that I can do is to control mine.. I don't hate you, we are just discussing!!

but you said "YOU" have to stop the cycle,to others. how can you advice others on what you cant do?

Well he did.. long long time ago! Lord Buddha knew this is bound to happen, this is why in his death bed he said to all the monks "when I'm gone make Dhamma as your leader", and if Lord Buddha could speak today he'd say the same thing!

thats, just do what you think is correct.

 

[madurax86]

hi madura.x86,

first i respect your belife and in no way intended harm to it. the questions and answers where based on sri_lions points.

just as we muslims respect others beliefs we wont let our beliefs be given a bad image as well.

• i agree a nation should defend itself and thats the stand of my beliefe, i still insist that if anyone says just let it go and dont get engaged in so called "worldly matters" its just simply not practical. histry proves it.
• jesus (peace be upon him) was quated as a great person who was a positive example by sri_lion, i said even he firmy believed in god and asked others to belive as well (but since what jesus preached then has been changed now, i'm not gona talk about chrsitianity)
• nirwana - the purpose of questioning it was, to make a point whatever you believe you cannot prove 100% its based on reason based conclutions ie: nirvana, day of judgment,after life etc.
• as per his statement "hamas greed generates more cycles violance" and "solution is" stop the cycle. i asked him can he do that here and show us practically. cos trying to find fault in others beliefs keeps the cycle, and according to the "BIG PICTURE" he says has no use to no one.cant he show what he's talking is practical to others before giving it as a solution to others?

ps: theres a good pdf book by henry ford called "THE INTERNATIONAL JEW,THE WORLD'S FOREMOST PROBLEM"
if you interested : http://www.americannaziparty.com/about/InternationalJew.pdf

History too proves it the other way around its just about taking control over mind now the mind drives you, you do what your mind wants but not your heart or your intelligence wants to do. Thats why people get in trouble when they are carried away by extreme mentalities. Ex: when your anger towards an enemy the more you want to kill him or get revenge from him, but your intelligence knows that by getting revenge you wont get the lost things because of your enemy but you try to harm him because you want to its not you its your mind trapped in extreme feelings Buddhism is about getting control over your mind and it puts the brain in command, then you can stop what mind wants therefore stop rebirth this is a glitch of the body-mind bond in a way Buddhism is a list of instructions to hacking your mind and setting it up as it works when you want it to not the other way around. This is not the time that you'll see people attaining nirvana in bunches this is the downfall of humanity every thing has its ups and downs what goes up must come down(when down is defined ) But some people do understand Buddhism and find the right way they enter bliss its not a promised land after death or anything like that its exists nor not exists moment if you have studied mathematics higher you may get what im saying its the turning point. So no anything you are nobody thats bliss as far as i know this is what the modern science is leading to i;ve seen those discovery programs and im thinking of achieving a step closer to nirvana, a small one(one step at a time) just living a good is a big step after all mind should be controlled thats the energy what drives us we should make use of it Anything is possible thru small steps

 

[madurax86]

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this is the point i was emphasizing before as well, buddism stand differes according to situation. you say king ashoka was a buddist ruler. (ruling is a worldly matter right?) so buddism did go into politics.

btw, being a king just like siddartha he didnt leave his throne or royal life to seek the truth. but still was engaged in worldly matter, ruling. cos you itself told me there's way called buddist ruling. you cant rule poeple or bind them to faith. so if asoka was a great buddist as you claim he would've understood that and followed isnt he?

but the fact even today is, buddist monks are in parliment to make a "daham rajyaya"..so what people see goes agains what you say.

Few things about asoka, this is why you shouldnt argue about things you know only few things about. Asoka was a dominator he killed ruthlessly for land, at last he found himself as someone who did no good to anyone he understood what he did was wrong and he wanted to make things right he wanted to do some good--thats why "chandasoka became dhammasoka" he was changed after he met Buddhism thats why he did a great deal of work upon spreading the dhamma to other countries and making more people understand it, these things needed money so he supplied whats needed built temples ...etc. This is where you can find the change that buddhism makes in an emperor who was nothing but a killer but he is now famous for his good more than the bad he had done. Asoka did NOT spread dhamma by force(like most other religions) its the ones you understood who joined no arguments just understanding
Buddha has allowed monks to co-operate with the existing politics and law to ensure the peace and well being of the people who are living in it, monks can enter anything for the good. If you are arguing like that lying for a good purpose is a bad thing too, no its not if the intention is good the result of it is also good -- go learn Buddhism properly if you continue your arguments about it - see i dont ever get things right out of islam literature or scriptures because i dont know well about them so thats it talk about what you know thoroughly

 

[Wal Bada]

Later he might cancel the Judgment day too.. there's is that possibility too then.. be aware!!!

He might say that Quran is wrong.

 

[gazaly]

He might say that Quran is wrong.

mehema katha kiyanna eppa brother.. wen puluwan deywal kiyana eka neweiney methana kathawa.... Al Kuraan Eke kiyanawa nam Echcharai A'ka Dan Waachiwa(Dan Likithawa) Kiyalai thiyenney aaye ehema weida mehema weida kiyala sakayak nah...


(meyka mama kiwwe topic eka tikak wage wena paththakata yanna honda nathi nisai.. tharaha ganna Eppa.. ~peace~ )

 

[Wal Bada]

Now Gazaly brother, if all mighty Allah can do anthing he wants, then he'll be able to do things that are out side of Quran. If he cannot do any thing that is outside of Quran, then he is not omnipotent (i.e. all mighty). Now that is the dilemma I was pointing to.

 

[Juziers]

Now Gazaly brother, if all mighty Allah can do anthing he wants, then he'll be able to do things that are out side of Quran. If he cannot do any thing that is outside of Quran, then he is not omnipotent (i.e. all mighty). Now that is the dilemma I was pointing to.

Allah's promises are true and won't be changed, so is the judgement day

Quran :14:48 [His promise will be fulfilled] on the Day when the earth shall be changed into another earth, as shall be the heavens and when [all men] shall appear before God, the One who holds absolute sway over all that exists.

 

[Juziers]

He might say that Quran is wrong.

No doubd in the Quran

Quran :2:2 THIS DIVINE WRIT - let there be no doubt about it is [meant to be] a guidance for all the God-conscious

 

[sri_lion]

Islam didn't mix up. You did. When I talk purely about religion, you talk about Bin Laden ,Palestine, Hamas etc. So when I started talking politics, you say you were talking religion. So what exactly do you want? Well, as I told you, Islam is a complete way of life, so you get politics related matters, social matters,family matters, economics etc etc. As for buddhism, you get only a spiritual side with a complete separation from materialistic life. As for Islam, it shows you how to use material (provided by Allah), in a sense of mutual benefit for humanity while prohibiting being materialistic. So Yes to material and No to being materialistic. So talking politics is not completely material, specialy when we're talking of a human crisis, which is directly related to your spiritual responsiveness.

Well, I talked about Bin Laden because Bin Laden and what he does cannot be separated from Islam, because YOU said yourself that self defense is allowed in Islam so what Bin Laden does is using it as the bait or maybe he really mean it.. who knows, so how can I separate Bin Laden and Islam? What Bin Laden claims that he does, is actually allowed in Islam! THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING!

And about Palestine... well... all through out the time, time and time again... it is evident that as long as the 2 sides are fighting there will never be a end to that.. unless one side realizes what the other needs.. this is the cycle that I'm referring to!

If you say what you practice is the complete way then you got to think more further because spreading hatred in one way or the other cannot definitely be a way of life.. the problem is not what Islam has in it... be it politics related, family related or any other.. even Lord Buddha talked about these matters, but the problem is, Islam discriminate others using that... So it is bias towards Muslims especially when it comes to judgment day etc.

No matter how you try to depict Islam at the end of the day Allah will send everyone else other than well behaved Muslims to HELL!! So the equality, democracy or whatever you talk NOW is only valid until Judgment day... and the rest is assured that Allah will spearhead the massacre AS HE WISH!!

These issues are life related ones. So you can't 'break away' from them. As muslims, we don't 'break away' from problems. WE SOLVE THEM. Breaking away and going to the jungle to attain nirvana alone is not our system.

When I said BREAKAWAY I didn't mean running away from the problem, that has a deeper meaning... breakaway from whatever binds you to your material life is the only solution.. this point you bring on is very short sighted, but Buddhism is the only religion which accept "Cause and effect" and nothing else... you I dont blame you for not understanding it... according to Buddhism even if Allah existed there is a cause for his exsistance, so which ever way you look at it Allah is also governed by a cause, hence he does not have the power of everything!!

I repeat, we respect enemies when they are no longer enemies. When we're under fire, we defend. Right cheek left cheek matter already tried, didn't work.

You tell me that its not practical not to resist an oppression, but how about the innocent lives lost on your side and also on the enemy's side in you endeavor to "defend"? Who's responsible for that? Are you telling me that so far in the world in all battles fought only the enemies got killed defending? Now, I can ask you the same thing... is it practical successfully defending and caring your own while only killing enemies?

He is successful because the western media successfully neutralized your intellectual capacities.

Dont talk about intellectual capacity when you live your whole life according to some book which gives you no freedom to think out-of-the-box!

Promise of Allah will be fulfilled

Quran :14:48 [His promise will be fulfilled] on the Day when the earth shall be changed into another earth, as shall be the heavensAsad(14,63) and when [all men] shall appear before God, the One who holds absolute sway over all that exists.

HAHA! Well.. if anyone, I mean anyone... can break this promise who would it be?

When we say 'Allah knows best', it's not void, it's full of sense.

IT IS.. to fill the void... the void that's clouding your mind!!

He creates whatever He wants, however He wants.

He creates however He wishes

Look there goes again! Very easy isn't it!!! Well... your ignorance about simple logic shows your blind faith!

We worship Allah, firstly through pleasure, inorder to show Him gratitude, for without His will, our poor souls won't exist.

Major contradiction here! Are you now saying that Allah never wanted to be worshiped in the first place? Then why sending all of them whom did not worship him to HELL? Let me guess..... HIS WISH?, Well.. that doesn't make any sense to anyone whose sane!

Second question... you didn't answer my first question... see... Allah said to be the mightiest... there's nothing above him, so the Muslims believe... then he would have had everything he needed... WHY CREATE US?

We did not expect to be here... we are said to have created by Allah from the scratch.. so why you giving gratitude to Allah? What's the purpose of creating the universe? is it because he would not survive without us and this universe?

Well then... he isn't that mighty after all.. is he?

Anyway just say "HIS WISH" if you dont know!!

You'll bite your tongue someday for these words.

I'll gladly take my chances!!

 

[Wal Bada]

Allah's promises are true and won't be changed, so is the judgement day

Quran :14:48 [His promise will be fulfilled] on the Day when the earth shall be changed into another earth, as shall be the heavens and when [all men] shall appear before God, the One who holds absolute sway over all that exists.

Now that proves beyond doubt that Allah cannot chage his word (will not chage is only hope in minds of Muslims). At least add something to it.

 

[sri_lion]

the example has nothing to do with, breaking away from the cycle or giving one cheek for the other. thats what i told not practical

even mahathma gandi didnt do it, he was supported by a wave of active resistance all over india. thats what became a problem for the britains. and they just used gandhi to keep a good name for him..indians tried non-violance for sometimes and it failed, then realised enemy should be dealt with the language he understands, that was the practical solution.

Practicality does not means it is always the correct, practicality means it is easier to do... it is easier to follow! That's that...

I'm not talking about how successful Mahathma Gandhi's campaign of getting rid of English! I'm giving you an answer to you since you said it cannot be done.. even the example shows that human can think of others than than themselves it just needs that spark or momentum, it is in us all invoking it is.. is the difficult task.. that is what Dharma is for.. invoking your inner saint and maintain it!

Whatever form of defense may well be based upon anger and hatred and vengeance which has no place in Buddhism what so ever!

THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!!

this is the point i was emphasizing before as well, buddism stand differes according to situation. you say king ashoka was a buddist ruler. (ruling is a worldly matter right?) so buddism did go into politics.

No I was just taking an example of a person whom realized his mistakes and became a legend thereafter... anyway yes Buddhism does go into politics in some places, there's "Dasa Raaja Dharma" which is applied to Kings if they want to use them as guides, This should tell you how versatile Buddhism is... because it is you guys that accuse Buddhism not being a practical religion!

Although Buddhism speaks of getting rid of all the bindings on earth to end the suffering, this is only when you are ready to follow the path.. that does not mean that for the rest of them Buddhism does not apply!

So in short.. if you are ready to follow the path of Nirvana then there's way for you.. if not still you can be a Buddhist and a civilized human being!

btw, being a king just like siddartha he didnt leave his throne or royal life to seek the truth. but still was engaged in worldly matter, ruling. cos you itself told me there's way called buddist ruling. you cant rule poeple or bind them to faith. so if asoka was a great buddist as you claim he would've understood that and followed isnt he?

Can you please show me where in Buddhism it says that the followers are bound to it anyway other then them realizing the truth and following it? It is Islam ruling that always trying to crush other faiths trying to sweep all of them under the carpet!

Especially in Middle-East... no need to talk about those... everyone knows hows Islam rolls!

but the fact even today is, buddist monks are in parliment to make a "daham rajyaya"..so what people see goes agains what you say.

Not everybody wears a robe can be a monk, monks are suppose to work thier way towards the path of Nirvana while helping people understand Dharma this is Buddhism... whatever they do out of it... will not EVER fall under Buddhism!

i already told my stance in chrsitianity, show me the authentic source that says jesus said like that. btw, check how many versus in quran talks about self defence and how many talks about humble.

I didn't say anything against the humble verses in Q'ran did I? But what's the point... 1 wrong verse is good enough to cancel out everything else...

and people with "take what you see" will always gulp it without a problem and think its islams problem, but its not.btw, when it comes to buddism you always say dont take it for face value [/B]
and how do you know majority of the muslims support? CNN,BBC?

When Isreal attack Palestine the whole world's Muslim community is sympathetic against GAZA because of the innocent people getting killed.. they rally, they protest... but where were all this when Bin Laden attacked US? Why keep quiet? why double standards? if you think Bin Laden is wrong come out and have a campaign against it too, does your hearts only melt when Muslims get killed?

sorry my mistake, normally people practice and then preach..thats what budda did i guess so i thought when you question others i thought you practice what you say. so is it hard to put it into practice? so hard that a normal human finds very difficult?just for my info

I do practice but it is not that easy I must admit... but as I go along I will have enough strength to do what's right! But it is easy for a Buddhist to question other faiths even at this stage because the fundamentals and building blocks of other faiths are just child play compared to Buddhism!

everything else seems so illogical and childish like "You hit - I Hit" theory in Islam!

the point is you belive its a punishment, and you dont know for what. see you are a blinde believer too.

I'm a blind believer too? means you already accepted you blindly follow Islam?

no he didnt, heard of subash chandra bose? there were more than 200 resistance leaders all over india.

Dont step on your own tail, again I say this is not about the success of his effort this is about what he could do, which you said not practical!

but you said "YOU" have to stop the cycle,to others. how can you advice others on what you cant do?

Do I sound angry to you?

thats, just do what you think is correct.

You asked!

 

[Juziers]

Now that proves beyond doubt that Allah cannot chage his word (will not chage is only hope in minds of Muslims). At least add something to it.

What do you mean ?

 

[Juziers]

Well, What Bin Laden claims that he does, is actually allowed in Islam! THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING!

Prove it , by using exactly what he said .

And about Palestine... well... all through out the time, time and time again... it is evident that as long as the 2 sides are fighting there will never be a end to that.. unless one side realizes what the other needs.. this is the cycle that I'm referring to!

Don't feel sad for the palestinians, now let's talk about our real subject, Islam.

If you say what you practice is the complete way then you got to think more further because spreading hatred in one way or the other cannot definitely be a way of life.. the problem is not what Islam has in it... be it politics related, family related or any other.. even Lord Buddha talked about these matters, but the problem is, Islam discriminate others using that... So it is bias towards Muslims especially when it comes to judgment day etc.

Who is spreading hatred? If non believers going to hell means hatred for you, then follow your own religion and see what you'll get in return at the end. Islam won't stop you, but your responsible of the consequences.

Quran :109:2 "I do not worship that which you worship,
109:3 and neither do you worship that which I worship!
109:4 "And I will not worship ~hat which you have [ever] worshipped,
109:5 and neither will you [ever] worship that which I worship.
109:6 Unto you, your moral law, and unto me, mine !"

No matter how you try to depict Islam at the end of the day Allah will send everyone else other than well behaved Muslims to HELL!! So the equality, democracy or whatever you talk NOW is only valid until Judgment day... and the rest is assured that Allah will spearhead the massacre AS HE WISH!!

This is the price to pay when your ungreatful.

When I said BREAKAWAY I didn't mean running away from the problem, that has a deeper meaning... breakaway from whatever binds you to your material life is the only solution.. this point you bring on is very short sighted, but Buddhism is the only religion which accept "Cause and effect" and nothing else... you I dont blame you for not understanding it... according to Buddhism even if Allah existed there is a cause for his exsistance, so which ever way you look at it Allah is also governed by a cause, hence he does not have the power of everything!!

When we say Allah is the ultimate Creator, He doesn't have anyone behind Him, nor does he get into any cycle of cause and effect. He is beyond all these.

You tell me that its not practical not to resist an oppression, but how about the innocent lives lost on your side and also on the enemy's side in you endeavor to "defend"? Who's responsible for that? Are you telling me that so far in the world in all battles fought only the enemies got killed defending? Now, I can ask you the same thing... is it practical successfully defending and caring your own while only killing enemies?

No ,you can't defend youself without having a risk for your ownself. So this why you're honoured as a martry in the hereafter.

Quran :4:95 Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,

So special reward for muslims who defend themselves and their community, their country etc.

Dont talk about intellectual capacity when you live your whole life according to some book which gives you no freedom to think out-of-the-box!

When you believe only in material and not in the unseen, who is living in a box ? (muslims believe both)

HAHA! Well.. if anyone, I mean anyone... can break this promise who would it be?

Quran :30:6 [This is] God’s promise. Never does God fail to fulfill His promise - but most people know [it] not

IT IS.. to fill the void... the void that's clouding your mind!!

Another judgement with no evidence.

Look there goes again! Very easy isn't it!!! Well... your ignorance about simple logic shows your blind faith!

What do you mean by 'simple logic' ? There's no simple logic in the functioning of Allah. That's why we prefer saying Allah does what He wants, when He wants and how He wants. Now this is to give you a global picture.

Major contradiction here! Are you now saying that Allah never wanted to be worshiped in the first place? Then why sending all of them whom did not worship him to HELL? Let me guess..... HIS WISH?, Well.. that doesn't make any sense to anyone whose sane!

I was'nt contradicting. I was telling you that I worship Allah through gratitude and pleasure above the fact that it's an obligation.

Quran : 51:56 I have only created Jinns and men, that they may worship Me.

Second question... you didn't answer my first question... see... Allah said to be the mightiest... there's nothing above him, so the Muslims believe... then he would have had everything he needed... WHY CREATE US?

It's the will of Allah.

We did not expect to be here... we are said to have created by Allah from the scratch.. so why you giving gratitude to Allah? What's the purpose of creating the universe? is it because he would not survive without us and this universe?

Well then... he isn't that mighty after all.. is he?

Allah doesn't need us (He's self sufficient). But we need Him and His bounties, even to urinate.

Anyway just say "HIS WISH" if you dont know!!

That's right.

I'll gladly take my chances!!

You'll be glad now for sure. In the hereafter, don't bet on it .

 

[ChuttaFX]

You'll be glad now for sure. In the hereafter, don't bet on it .

I wanna know whether Allah is physical or not in your belief. ??
Plz answer me for this question.

And I'm sorry for asking some question before that u've no answers. I don't ask such kinda questions again.

 

[Juziers]

I wanna know whether Allah is physical or not in your belief. ??
Plz answer me for this question.

Yes He is. But His physical form cannot be interpritted, because there's little knowledge on it.

And I'm sorry for asking some question before that u've no answers. I don't ask such kinda questions again.

Sorry, I didn't see them.

 

[ChuttaFX]

Yes He is. But His physical form cannot be interpritted, because there's little knowledge on it.

Is he still alive in your belief ??

Sorry, I didn't see them.

No problem. ... this part seems like acceptable.

 

[Juziers]

Is he still alive in your belief ?? [/quote}

He has always been alive and is eternally, according to our belief.

Quran : 2:255 Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

 

[ChuttaFX]

He has always been alive and is eternally, according to our belief.

Quran : 2:255 Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

Then where is he live now in your belief?

 

[freon]

Practicality does not means it is always the correct, practicality means it is easier to do... it is easier to follow! That's that...

I'm not talking about how successful Mahathma Gandhi's campaign of getting rid of English! I'm giving you an answer to you since you said it cannot be done.. even the example shows that human can think of others than than themselves it just needs that spark or momentum, it is in us all invoking it is.. is the difficult task.. that is what Dharma is for.. invoking your inner saint and maintain it!

Practicality means able to put into practice, i dont know from where you getting those definitions.
so you saying buddism is not practical?
no need to confuse, your example stil dont prove what you claim.people do have love in heart and they do act on it.that doesnt mean they break away from cycle.mother or gandhi didnt they were still having there "worldly" attachments.

Whatever form of defense may well be based upon anger and hatred and vengeance which has no place in Buddhism what so ever!

THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!!

again getting rid of all human feeling is a impossible thing, there's no one who did it.with all due respect, people can tell whatever they want but if they preaching or promoting it to others they should practically prove it.
you cant run a resistance only based on hatred or vengeance.you need to control it.

No I was just taking an example of a person whom realized his mistakes and became a legend thereafter... anyway yes Buddhism does go into politics in some places, there's "Dasa Raaja Dharma" which is applied to Kings if they want to use them as guides, This should tell you how versatile Buddhism is... because it is you guys that accuse Buddhism not being a practical religion!

Although Buddhism speaks of getting rid of all the bindings on earth to end the suffering, this is only when you are ready to follow the path.. that does not mean that for the rest of them Buddhism does not apply!

So in short.. if you are ready to follow the path of Nirvana then there's way for you.. if not still you can be a Buddhist and a civilized human being!

As i see you not ready to follow the path, but preach others. again not practical.same goes to even asoka spreading something that he failed to apply fully

Can you please show me where in Buddhism it says that the followers are bound to it anyway other then them realizing the truth and following it? It is Islam ruling that always trying to crush other faiths trying to sweep all of them under the carpet!

Especially in Middle-East... no need to talk about those... everyone knows hows Islam rolls!

i dont know about everyone.but yeah let them have thier ideas

Not everybody wears a robe can be a monk, monks are suppose to work thier way towards the path of Nirvana while helping people understand Dharma this is Buddhism... whatever they do out of it... will not EVER fall under Buddhism!

again, they claim they are buddist monks and take authority with regards to it. none denies or says they are not buddists.why is all other "real buddists" not clearing things then?

I didn't say anything against the humble verses in Q'ran did I? But what's the point... 1 wrong verse is good enough to cancel out everything else...

yeah thats for people who are narrow minded and just look things from the surface, and there are lot of people who go beyond that. so that no problem.

When Isreal attack Palestine the whole world's Muslim community is sympathetic against GAZA because of the innocent people getting killed.. they rally, they protest... but where were all this when Bin Laden attacked US? Why keep quiet? why double standards? if you think Bin Laden is wrong come out and have a campaign against it too, does your hearts only melt when Muslims get killed?

again, you cant tell people to whome they should be sympathic and whome they shouldn't. why should we act like we are the only smart people in the world and all others are dumb.they have their reason based conclutions.if you cant take it its your problem.

I do practice but it is not that easy I must admit... but as I go along I will have enough strength to do what's right! But it is easy for a Buddhist to question other faiths even at this stage because the fundamentals and building blocks of other faiths are just child play compared to Buddhism!

everything else seems so illogical and childish like "You hit - I Hit" theory in Islam!

see you get it wrong easily, there's no "You hit - I hit" theory in islam, in contrast it say dont run away like chickens.you gota go beyond CNN and BBC man..big time

I'm a blind believer too? means you already accepted you blindly follow Islam?

haha..so happy to see that isnt it, thats fine.show me anyone who has proven everything that he claims about religion including budda, then we can discuss further

Dont step on your own tail, again I say this is not about the success of his effort this is about what he could do, which you said not practical!

simple and clear, its not practical. show someone who did it?left every single feeling and broke away from the cycle.not people who did sacrifises for what they like ie: gandi for freedom, mom for child

Do I sound angry to you?

haha..thats a stupid question to ask in a internet forum.oops i guess i din make you angry

 

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Prove it , by using exactly what he said .

Bin Laden, on tape, urges holy war over Gaza

You see, Mr.Bin has godly powers calling HOLY WAR whenever he wants, now for GAZA! Man he is hilarious!! this is like calling for Air Strike!!

Who is spreading hatred? If non believers going to hell means hatred for you, then follow your own religion and see what you'll get in return at the end. Islam won't stop you, but your responsible of the consequences.

Ofcourse.. do you think anyone would willingly go to HELL? Unless ofcourse Allah hypnotize us all and sent to HELL but he might not do that because he want to physically punish and abuse all non-believers!

Which brings the question.. why he chooses to punish non-believers he can make them disappear forever without severe punishment... well I guess its his choice!

Quran :109:2 "I do not worship that which you worship,
109:3 and neither do you worship that which I worship!
109:4 "And I will not worship ~hat which you have [ever] worshipped,
109:5 and neither will you [ever] worship that which I worship.
109:6 Unto you, your moral law, and unto me, mine !"

But get ready to go to hell C'mon dude!!!

This is the price to pay when your ungreatful.

The only entity whom could have made a difference and make people not to be ungrateful to Allah is non other than Allah himself, so why didn't he?

When we say Allah is the ultimate Creator, He doesn't have anyone behind Him, nor does he get into any cycle of cause and effect. He is beyond all these.

But took 6000 years to make this earth?

Oh! yeah! its his Wish.. my bad!! Odds are highly unfavorable though!!

No ,you can't defend youself without having a risk for your ownself. So this why you're honoured as a martry in the hereafter.

This is also *promised* but no evidence of delivery I guess! What if Allah change his mind on this one too?

I wonder whether Mohommad too honored in heavens for humping a 9 year old?

Quran :4:95 Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,

Why asking human to do the dirty work for him? why can't he just appear and set things right?

So special reward for muslims who defend themselves and their community, their country etc.

What are we fighting for in the first place? land, money, power.... all created by Allah or a result of things that Allah created in the first place.. if you say he is beyond everything then he could have given enough resources and keep us happy so none of us would crave for things that other own!

He is Allah... he could have prevented this all... again... flaws in the creator.. proved!!

When you believe only in material and not in the unseen, who is living in a box ? (muslims believe both)

You have no Idea about Buddhism not even in the basics!

Quran :30:6 [This is] God’s promise. Never does God fail to fulfill His promise - but most people know [it] not

If he does not full fill what will happen?

Another judgement with no evidence.

Your HIS-WISH type of judgments, are those with evidence?

What do you mean by 'simple logic' ? There's no simple logic in the functioning of Allah. That's why we prefer saying Allah does what He wants, when He wants and how He wants. Now this is to give you a global picture.

Brother the problem here is.... when you say he does what he wants and you are more than willing to let him do what he wants without questioning his ability!

This is called Blind Faith!

I was'nt contradicting. I was telling you that I worship Allah through gratitude and pleasure above the fact that it's an obligation.

Quran : 51:56 I have only created Jinns and men, that they may worship Me.

Running away from the question!

Why is the question.................... Why he created us?

It's the will of Allah.

What else is new?!

Allah doesn't need us (He's self sufficient). But we need Him and His bounties, even to urinate.

Well... he couldn't make a fart a bit more pleasant when he created us

Anyway... again back to the same question... every creation serves a purpose, what's ours to him (Allah)?

If you tell me he does not need us for his own existence, then he created us for what? for FUN? that's SICK!!

You'll be glad now for sure. In the hereafter, don't bet on it .

I'm glad I'll get to see a lot of good people in HELL, like who.. let me see...

Mother Theresa, Mahathma Gandhi, Lord Buddha , Dalai Lama..... hmm... do you catch my drift?