sri_lion said:
Right to defend can also be right to kill also means putting others lives also at risk whom have no interest to fight... even if you say it standing on your head.. the so called right to defend leads to killing of beings and the right has been abused and will be abused forever... the difference here with Buddhism and Islam like I've mentioned earlier too is that Islam allows it.. so it can be twisted and turn whichever way you like it! ITS FACT, examples are out there!
If you reject Bin Laden and Al-Queada actions then you should be able to see why they are so successful in getting much support from Muslims all over the world.. BECAUSE THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED SELF DEFENSE IN Q'RAN THAT CAN BE EXPLOITED!! Its the fact that you've been ignoring since the beginning!
To answer your question,
NO there's no way, no loopholes in Buddhism to kill another being under any circumstances.. the right is not given, thus it cannot be exploited, friend or foe treated as living beings with compassion not with hatred! END OF STORY!
The only loophole in Buddhism is not having any practical and clear stance on worldly matters, so that your tongues can twist in any direction, and if inconveniant make constitutions to approve any law you want, and all this with the blessings of the 'sanga' in the parliment. In Islam, we have clear stances in all worldly matters to guide people in their decision making. As for your bringing Bin Laden and Abou Qatada over and over, let me repeat once again, they are not Islam, neither it's pillars. As for their quotes from Quranic verses, some are irrelevant, some are true (In the cases of Chechniya and Palestine for example). But the call for hatred against a whole nation is completely unIslamic, and this, any educated muslim will reject.
SO TRUE!! The day that Allah will murder every non-Muslim on earth..
Everything created will come to an end, regardless of what you call it (murder, massacre etc)
As for your compassion for Aisha, learn atleast the highlights before entering into a stupid debate
Firstly, Prophet’s proposal to `Aisha came through a suggestion made by Khawalh bint Hakim as a sign of strengthening the relation with his Companion Abu Bakr and confirming his love for him.
Secondly, the fact that `Aisha, before the Prophet proposed to her, was being pursued by Jubair ibn Mut`am, indicates that she was mature enough for marriage, according to the prevailing tradition at that time, if not, the Quraish people, who would never waste any chance to insult the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, would have found this marriage as a golden opportunity to pour on him rain of insults. Rather they found nothing wrong in this engagement, and they received the news of the Prophet’s proposal for `Aisha as something usual, and even, expected.
`Aisha was not the first case, for many girls married at her same age to men who were at their fathers’ age. Hala, the cousin of Amina bint Wahb was married to Abdul-Muttalib on the same day his son `Abdullah married Aminah bint Wahb who was at Hala’s same age. Also, the Companion `Umar ibn Al-Khattab married the daughter of Ali ibn Abi Talib, may Allah honor his face, while he was at her grandpa’s age.
After the passage of many centuries, we find now some Orientalists who try to strike a comparison between the conditions of our present time and what was existing 1400 years ago. They are trying to apply the criterions of the Western society to that society that existed in the Arabian Peninsula very long ago.
It should be noted that in the hot regions, it’s normal for a girl to attain maturity at a very early age. Thus the case is totally different from that which does exist in the cold regions where a girl does not attain puberty before 21 [Physicians maintain that the age of puberty in the hot regions normally ranges from 9 to 16]. At all rates, it should be stressed that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, on marrying `Aisha, never aimed at fulfilling a lust or satisfying a desire; rather, his aim was to strengthen his relation with the most beloved Companion of his.
Had it been true that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, aimed at fulfilling a lust or satisfying a desire, he would have done this while still in his youth when he was still free from the responsibilities of delivering Allah’s call. At his early age, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, accepted to marry Khadija, may Allah be pleased with her, who was 15 years older than him. He also never married a new wife until after her death. Even after her passing away, his new wife Sawdah bint Zam`ah was an old-aged widow who possessed no particular appealing qualities. This adds to our certainty that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, had many great lofty aims behind his marriages. Also, when Khawlah bint Hakim suggested to him to marry`Aisha, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, thought thoroughly whether to accept or to refuse. He took into consideration his relation with Abu Bakr.
When `Aisha reached the Prophet’s house, Sawdah gave her the first place and took care of her till her death.. Afterwards, `Aisha remained a faithful wife to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him; her 10 years of marriage were of the life of a fully dedicated disciple, trainee and scholarly student in the noble Prophetic school. She was the source of knowledge for almost every Companion. She was of the main sources for revealing knowledge and information of the private life of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. She was a big celebrity in politics and the best example of generosity.
The Prophet’s love for `Aisha was a sign of his love for her father. On being asked about the dearest person to his heart, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, mentioned `Aisha. Then, on being asked about the dearest man to him and he, peace and blessings be upon him, mentioned her father, Abu Bakr.
Some NICE fairytale verses from Q'ran about *women's rights*
You forgot to mention the part it says... "
beat them lightly if its useful", now how much is light is light enough for one?
Allah should have given a some sort of pressure meter with the Q'ran to measure this... Yet again... yet another verse that can be exploited.. a totally flawed religion!
Haha, seems that our friend has another problem with Islam. This time, your problem is with literal arabic of the Quran (Arabiyya al fus'ha). This verse is another revelation by the CNN, BBC etc for people of your category who won't findout the true and the false of the story.Here's the verse your talking about
Quran : 4:34MEN SHALL
take full care of women with the bounties which God has bestowed more abundantly on the former than on the latter,Asad(4,42)and with what they may
spend out of their possessions. And the righteous women are the truly devout ones, who guard the intimacy which God has [ordained to be] guarded.Asad(4,43)
And as for those women whose ill-willAsad(4,44) you have reason to fear, admonish them [first]; then leave them alone in bed; then beat them;Asad(4,45) and if thereupon they pay you heed, do not seek to harm them. Behold, God is indeed most high, great!
The word 'Dharaba' in literal arabic is translated 'beating' in english. But, in literal arabic, to understand what a word really means, you'll have to refer to what they did practically, because aliteral word in arabic may have different interpritations at the same time. As for the practical use of this word, it was to hold/shake your wife from her sholder to insist what is expected from her. Having said this, this is the final solution before divorce. Before coming to this point, Islam insist on your well behaviour with your companion in dealing with ill-will. Just see the verses before
Quran : 4 :19
“Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.”
Quran :30:21
"And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect
As for what the prophet(pbuh) said ;
"How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then embrace (sleep with) her?” (Al-Bukhari, English Translation, vol. 8, Hadith 68, pp. 42-43)
Abu Hurairah (RA) reported: Messenger of Allah (SAW) said: "Take my advice with regard to women: Act kindly towards women, for they were created from a rib, and the most crooked part of a rib is its uppermost. If you attempt to straighten it; you will break it, and if you leave it alone it will remain crooked; so act kindly toward women". [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]
Abu Hurairah (RA) reported: Messenger of Allah (SAW) said, "A believer must not hate (his wife) believing woman; if he dislikes one of her characteristics he will be pleased with another". [Muslim].
Abu Hurairah (RA) reported: Messenger of Allah (SAW) said, "The believers who show the most perfect Faith are those who have the best behaviour, and the best of you are those who are the best to their wives". [At-Tirmidhi].
Whatever you accuse of Buddhism I challenge you to prove that it is there in pure Buddhism...
No stance = Nothing to prove
Buddhism does not count the number of followers to prove itself, that is totally irrelevant and a dumb point too, even if there's less real Buddhists does that make Buddhism any less valuable?
What a theory you have there mate!!
Yes, you can put it like that because buddhism for a normal person is unpracticable. So no real buddhists. So that's an easy escape.
But in your case the ultimate decision is in Allah's hands... in Buddhist's case it is in your own hands, so for Muslims it is not so mutual as it seems now is it, if you say it is.. that mean you worship Allah and in return Allah gets something from you.. that is Mutual if that's what you mean!
The difference is Allah's wish in Islam and your will in Buddhism!
When I talk about mutual benefit, it's mutual benefit among the creations (proper distribution of wealth through zakat, justice through shari'a etc). Allah, as the Creator has no gain nor loss from our deeds. As for people attaining success in the hereafter, it firstly depends on your own effort to act rightfully and to strive for it. Then Allah will accept your effort.
Quran : 29:69 And those who strive in Our (cause),- We will certainly guide them to our Paths: For verily Allah is with those who do right
As for people who sit back furnishing no effort to understand, taking religions with no stance, blind bashing the muslims and creating laws according to their own will, they will meet the consequences for their acts.
Allah.
Quran : 17:85 AND THEY will ask thee about [the nature of] divine inspiration (soul).Asad(17,101) Say: "This inspiration [comes] at my Sustainer's behest; and [you cannot understand its nature, O men, since] you have been granted very little of [real] knowledge."
ewata ne atha kiyane 
but he might not do that because he want to physically punish and abuse all non-believers!
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