The reality beyond matter -Anatta

[AtulaSiriwardane]

ANATTA

Buddha calls this understanding Anatta.
No I am..
And he explains the process as
Matter > Touch > Sensation > Recognition > Consciousness.
He explains that this momentary consciousness continues
as a flow and we get the illusion as I am.
In reality there is none.
Anatta.
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[AtulaSiriwardane]

Hope that there is someone
who is really interested.
Madura was interested..

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[AtulaSiriwardane]

Matter is commonly said to exist in four states (or phases): solid, liquid, gas and plasma. However, advances in experimental technique have realized other phases, previously only theoretical constructs, such as Bose–Einstein condensates and Fermionic condensates. A focus on an elementary-particle view of matter also leads to new phases of matter, such as the quark-gluon plasma.[17]​

In physics and chemistry, matter and energy exhibit both wave-like and particle-like properties, the so-called wave-particle duality or matter wave. In this connection, physicists speak of matter fields, and speak of particles as "quantum excitations of a mode of the matter field".​

 

[kosandpol]

the video explains in detail how the brain interprets the signals from the 5 senses and how it can be fooled but doest explain how matter itself is a "perception" or how its created or even why it needs to be created continuously.
BTW, Defining "real" as the signals interpreted by the brain is the whole concept of The Matrix and Morpheus explains it rather well.

 

[kosandpol]

Hope that there is someone
who is really interested.
Madura was interested..

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Give it some time dude! that's a 20 minute video you've posted there.

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

the video explains in detail how the brain interprets the signals from the 5 senses and how it can be fooled but doest explain how matter itself is a "perception" or how its created or even why it needs to be created continuously.
BTW, Defining "real" as the signals interpreted by the brain is the whole concept of The Matrix and Morpheus explains it rather well.

I knew you would be here..
Thanks.
Your question is beyond video
but within Buddha's teaching.
This is how matter is created according to science.
Matter and energy exhibit both wave-like and particle-like properties, the so-called wave-particle duality or matter wave.

Matter itself is a perception because
Matter is momentary
and consciousness of matter also is only momentary.
Anitya.

Mind also has its own vignnana.
Mano vignnana
West have not been there yet.

Existence is un-thinkable, beyond perception,
'Loka vishaya Achintyayi'
But with Vipassana there is a stage
called Bhanga Gnana,
in which one feels the desolution of the body.


Buddha's Dhamma is
'Pachchatthan Vedithabbo'
Fully comprehensive experientally.



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[kosandpol]

Matter itself is a perception because
Matter is momentary
and consciousness of matter also is only momentary.
Anitya.

Can you explain this ? How is matter momentary ?

Mind also has its own vignnana.
Mano vignnana
West have not been there yet.

Define vignnana.

Existence is un-thinkable, beyond perception,
'Loka vishaya Achintyayi'
But with Vipassana there is a stage
called Bhanga Gnana,
in which one feels the desolution of the body.

Is this the state a "soul" enters after the body dies ?

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

Can you explain this ? How is matter momentary ?

Buddha says,
Sabbe loko pakampito
Everything exists vibrates,
Sabbe loko pajjalito.
Everything exists burning out, (consumed)
So matter exists like AC light.
One > Zero > One >
I don't think we can't go beyond an indication with words.
I know with my experience,
I can't pass it.
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It is proven scientifically that matter is only waves of energy... ..

Although the field quanta by themselves are not matter, in conjunction with a complex of building blocks like an atom or a hadron, they contribute to the invariant mass of the combination, for example, through a binding energy. [15][16] Matter is commonly said to exist in four states (or phases): solid, liquid, gas and plasma. However, advances in experimental technique have realized other phases, previously only theoretical constructs, such as Bose–Einstein condensates and Fermionic condensates. A focus on an elementary-particle view of matter also leads to new phases of matter, such as the quark-gluon plasma.[17]
In physics and chemistry, matter and energy exhibit both wave-like and particle-like properties, the so-called wave-particle duality or matter wave. In this connection, physicists speak of matter fields, and speak of particles as "quantum excitations of a mode of the matter field"

Define vignnana.

I understand it in two aspects.

First happens momentarily.

It is created
at the moment something touches us
creating a sensation.
Then we recognize the perceptive signal
-consciously or subconsciously-.


If we like the signal, (Raga)
if we dislike it (Dwesha)
or if we are not aware of it (Moha)
in accordance with them,
sankhara happens at the level of mind...
This Sankhara is a result of the consciousness
which can last creating a secondary vingnana
would be sttled as klesha
which affects consciousness of the next signals like memory.
Say when you see something you dislike
as an LTTE suspect
if all the Dwesha klesha comes up
you will be mad.
That klesha doesn't have to be deposited
by being angry about what LTTE did.

This can go on.. better wait for a question.
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Is this the state a "soul" enters after the body dies ?

There is no soul.
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[kosandpol]

Buddha says,
Sabbe loko pakampito
Everything exists vibrates,
Sabbe loko pajjalito.
Everything exists burning out, (consumed)
So matter exists like AC light.
One > Zero > One >
I don't think we can't go beyond an indication with words.
I know with my experience,
I can't pass it.

What you're trying to say is that matter in a particular state is momentary. This is explained in quantum physics.

I understand it in two aspects.

First happens momentarily.

It is created
at the moment something touches us
creating a sensation.
Then we recognize the perceptive signal
-consciously or subconsciously-.

this is then the electric signal created by the receptive organs, which are then sent to the brain for interpretation.

If we like the signal, (Raga)
if we dislike it (Dwesha)
or if we are not aware of it (Moha)

these are then the reactions to those interpretations.

in accordance with them,
sankhara happens at the level of mind...
This Sankhara is a result of the consciousness
which can last creating a secondary vingnana
would be sttled as klesha
which affects consciousness of the next signals like memory.
Say when you see something you dislike
as an LTTE suspect
if all the Dwesha klesha comes up
you will be mad.
That klesha doesn't have to be deposited
by being angry about what LTTE did.

This can go on.. better wait for a question.

There is no soul.

This consciousness is what is meant by "soul" here (as well as in that video you posted).
As it can, under the proper conditions, get instilled in to another human body in the next life.

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

This consciousness is what is meant by "soul" here (as well as in that video you posted).
As it can, under the proper conditions, get instilled in to another human body in the next life.

About Reincarnation
Buddha's analogy is
"A bubble in water bursts
and another comes up,
not the first bubble or another bubble"
It is consciousness created by klesha
moves forth from life to life.

When Avijja is eradicated
sankharas are dissolved
and Vignana is dissolved.
Avijja nirodha, sankhara nirodho,
sankhara nirodha, vingnana nirodho,
This process starts with Vipassana.
After the final sankhra is gone
one reaches Nibbana.

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[Reshmi85]

Very interesting topic, though it seem to go over my head..........Can you tell more about Vipassana.

 

[GihanFX]

අතුල අයියේ, තියෙන දහ ජරා වැඩ ඔක්කොම කරල, අන්තිමට බන දේශනා කරලා වැඩක් නැහැ

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

අතුල අයියේ, තියෙන දහ ජරා වැඩ ඔක්කොම කරල, අන්තිමට බන දේශනා කරලා වැඩක් නැහැ

Wadiyen daha jara weda karana ayata thamayi wediyen bana ona wenne.


Budu haamuduruwo unath hoyagena giya Angulimala, Aalaaka wage aya.

Anika, me deshanaawakuth neme,
saakachchaawak.
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[AtulaSiriwardane]

Very interesting topic, though it seem to go over my head..........Can you tell more about Vipassana.

You said that you are in touch
with some Vipassi friends.
Why do you want to waste time discussing
when you can actually go for
the actual technique.


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[Reshmi85]

You said that you are in touch​

with some Vipassi friends.​

Why do you want to waste time discussing​

when you can actually go for​

the actual technique.​

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My Indian friends say that I like to talk about the practice more than actually practicing.. That is why they refuce to tell me more.... I think it is Sri Lankan that we like to discuss more.... Anyway I have to go back to India to go for a course. Till then it won't hurt knowing more about the technique.

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

My Indian friends say that I like to talk about the practice more than actually practicing.. That is why they refuce to tell me more.... I think it is Sri Lankan that we like to discuss more.... Anyway I have to go back to India to go for a course. Till then it won't hurt knowing more about the technique.

They are right.
Discussions is ok if you would never go for it.
If you have decided, better do it than discussing.
You can do it here.
There are 2 centers.

Even if I tell you about Vipassana,
I will only tell how it works,
not the technique.
Check this
www.dhamma.org
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[kosandpol]

My Indian friends say that I like to talk about the practice more than actually practicing.. That is why they refuce to tell me more.... I think it is Sri Lankan that we like to discuss more.... Anyway I have to go back to India to go for a course. Till then it won't hurt knowing more about the technique.

the technique requires you to sit still and keep your mouth closed for a long period of time. Think you can manage that ?

 

[AtulaSiriwardane]

the technique requires you to sit still and keep your mouth closed for a long period of time. Think you can manage that ?

Reshmi, I don't know..
she has to keep her mouth shut for 10 days,
other than sitting some 10 hours a day
she is allowed to talk only to the teacher at checking
or in some need to a Dhamma worker.

I did it and loved doing it.
Actually in the description leaflet,
Complete Silence
stroke me harder inspiring me to do it.

I have done one 30 day course also...
It is not difficult at there if one has discipline.,,
difficult if one needs others to discipline him.

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[Reshmi85]

the technique requires you to sit still and keep your mouth closed for a long period of time. Think you can manage that ?

Whether I can or not, I will try my best to do as it requires, giving a fair trial.. Otherwise how can I blame it if I fail... I must be sure that it was not me the cause of faliure.

 

[kosandpol]

Whether I can or not, I will try my best to do as it requires, giving a fair trial.. Otherwise how can I blame it if I fail... I must be sure that it was not me the cause of faliure.

This is one thing where you ARE the cause of failure.