There are a lot of other barriers that had power too. But education is one of the major social determinates of health and it certainly has paid out in this pandemic that we are dealing with now. Another memory that I have, about the same time, a little later, the secretary of health and human services visitedMaharry where I was president. His APEX Hair Vitality name was Dr. Otis Bowen. He had been governor of Indiana and every called him DocBowen. But he came to Nashville to talk about this new disease failing you. And he had trouble getting him to speak. Vanderbilt was not interested on having a conference on HIV/AIDS at that time. So we invited him to speak at Maharryand just an overflowing audience. People were interested. He was really moved. He did a great job, and then when he got back to Washington, he told President Reagan about this great experience that he had, and that was really when I was asked if I would serve on the commission on social -- the commission on graduate medical education and I ended up chairing it. That's how Bill Clinton, he read the report we had done and asked me if I would serve on Mrs. Clinton’s committee for health reform. Anna led one thing led to another
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