This is how Islam gives peace to the world.

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x-pert said:
:lol: yeah.

And :) yes. Summer started ne. And exams were finished last week :cool:

Dan ithin hodata bonna thamai thiyenne :lol::lol::lol:

Today we are having a musical show in Adelaide, with some SL artists. yeah! Gonna go there now :D Catch you later machang :)

dude... i read sumwhere that aussies have the worst drinking problems..seem like they were right...anyways im waiting till kili falls!! :P :P
 

Zeus

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    Kalutara
    Machan i dunno wht ws the ambition of the thred starter yes
    But i beg u frm all of the Ek mem plz try to figure out this dipite as a human:)

    We may be Muslim Sinhala tamil or whtever
    But still v r Humans rmember that

    Sry im not trying to act like the boss or admin
    Im just a mem who doent like to c excebating "Kunu vali" in Ek thats all









     

    nuwa1

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    Zeus said:
    Machan i dunno wht ws the ambition of the thred starter yes
    But i beg u frm all of the Ek mem plz try to figure out this dipite as a human:)

    We may be Muslim Sinhala tamil or whtever
    But still v r Humans rmember that

    Sry im not trying to act like the boss or admin
    Im just a mem who doent like to c excebating "Kunu vali" in Ek thats all









    :) Then just forget abt this thread ... :)
     

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    machanla meka religious prob ekak nemei
    mumbai kiyanne India ve muslims vadi pirisak inna thanak
    this is terrorism
    can u understand what i'm telling about
    I am not supporting or blaming anyone
    so plz dont post like these threads and posts

    terrorism ekath agamath gavaganna epa.....
     

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    Originally Posted By X-pert

    Do you really think India doesn't know about terrorism? and they don't know how it becomes a national security threat?

    Those are just bullshit. They clearly know the truth. But they cannot talk against LTTE because a considerable portion of Indians are Tamils! And due to the strong media propaganda, they believe LTTE is the saviour of tamil people.

    Decaan Mujahideen will never show them that LTTE is a terrorist organisation. Still LTTE is a tamil saviour for their mindsets.


    So this means you knew what that guy was talking about from the beginning when he said " meken apata chance eka"

    But you went on pointing out that he enjoyed what happened in india .
    Then on page 16 you're trying to answer his point ????

    Originally posted by X-pert

    People who believs what others say and conclude according to what the TV says will fall in the trap.

    Muslims as a whole are sort of fundamentalists. Because they act according to the book - Quaran. It may or may not match with the current environment. But questioning their belief system cannot be done by another person. They them selves should realise it if they want. So we shouldn't worry about it. And I don't think that Quaran ever asks to kill people...

    So you're questioning some ones' belief from what he sees on TV but on the other hand you don't want others questioning your belief on a book..and a god no one has ever seen??

    I'm not saying that ppl should believe what they see on TV but im questioning your rather contradicting statements..

    Pls try to answer this simple question...

    Have you seen Buddhists trying to terrorize the world in the name of Buddhism?

    Now tell me how many ppl have you seen trying to kill ppl in the name of islam?

    Now why DO YOU THINK that happens..i mean there's gotta be a reason. Don't you think!

    I dunt care if they are extremists or not but they say they are killing in the name of allah..

    have you ever seen a buddhist killing in the NAME of Buddha?

    what is you answer to this? Its just coincidence? They just all happen to muslim..? it's not the religion's fault...?

    You can go to a wholly war to protect islam under the islamic law?

    But a Buddhist can't. So the difference between a Buddhist Extremist and a Islamic Extremist is very different.

    If a BUDDHIST EXTREMIST feels that Buddhism is under threat.. he will not go to war.
    But an ISLAMIC EXTREMIST defintely will...

    thats the difference between these 2 religions.. thats why a lot ppl hate islam!! Because it encourages violence "some times" :)



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    gtkisaru

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    Tharaha ganna epa mehema kiwwata... eka athakin beluwama sinhala saha boudhdha ayata wela thiyana asaadhaarana akatayuthukam wala hetiyata tharaha yana eka saadharanai... :)
    eg-
    * for what the muslim extreamists did to bhamian status.
    * Sinhalese - Muslim Riots of 1915
    * Maawanella incident
    * Deegawaapiya incident.
    * Kooragala incident
    * Mr Rauf hakim. :rolleyes:

    hebei okkoma eka muthuwa rata gena hithala weda karanawanam neda hoda? Wairayen Wairaya kawadaawath sansidawanna behene...
    (hebei hemoma ehema hithanne nethi eka thama prashne :dull:)
     

    fernandokasu

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    Yes, there are enough sickoss!! BUTTT DONT BLAME ALL MUSLIM OR ISLAM OR WHATEVER RACE!!!

    Im sad about the situation!! but don't be a fool, and say that this is the way that islam is getting peace!!:oo:
    yeah nanga ur 100% crct.. dnt knw wat da hel is goin. dis ppl r gone mad. all muslims r nt trrrist:no:
    think twice b4 postin..@ xmen:oo:
     

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    fernandokasu said:
    yeah nanga ur 100% crct.. dnt knw wat da hel is goin. dis ppl r gone mad. all muslims r nt trrrist:no:
    think twice b4 postin..@ xmen:oo:

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    Introduction

    The actions of Islamic terrorist groups operating throughout the world are well known. Islamic terrorists have bombed and destroyed buildings, planes, and vehicles. Additionally, during the last 20 years, Muslim terrorists have targeted and murdered tens of thousands of men and women, including children. All over the world, in Kenya, Algeria, Indonesia, Egypt, Iran, France, South America and America, etc., Muslim terrorists have attacked and murdered those they felt were a threat or hindrance to their purpose. No one has been spared by these treacherous people.
    Not surprisingly, examination of the web sites that deal with terrorism show that about one half of all terrorist groups in the world are Islamic in nature.
    Why are these groups Islamic? What does the religion of Islam have to do with terrorism? Is there a link between the two? How do these groups justify murdering civilians based upon Islamic values? Are terrorism and murder actually allowed under Islam?
    This examines the basis for Islamic terrorism found within Islam. Starting with Muhammad and reviewing his teachings and his actions, and then surveying what other Muslims have taught, the fundamentals of Islamic terrorism will be examined.

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    NOTES
    1. My comments or source references will be in [ ] brackets. Other writers comments will be in the ( ) parentheses.
    2. When I talk about terrorist actions, I am talking about motive and action. Crime exists in every society, and I am not including all crimes as examples of terrorism. I am focusing on the violent actions Muslims carry out in Islam's name. For example, in Egypt some years ago, a Muslim man murdered an American women. He killed her then robbed her. His motive was greed and not the furtherance of Islam. I would not call that an Islamic terrorist action. On the other hand, Muslims who carry out bombings, like the ones in Kenya and Tanzania - in which hundreds of innocents died, do so because they feel they are attacking Islamic enemies and have Allah's sanction to do so. That is an Islamic terrorist action.
    Additionally, there are many kinds of terrorists who engage in violence. There are political terrorists operating in South America, there are terrorists who murder doctors who perform abortion. There are Communist terrorists, capitalist terrorists, right wing terrorists, left wing terrorists, etc. In America, there are gangs that operate like terrorists in the streets. However, in this writing, I am focusing on terrorism based upon what Muhammad taught and did. I am focusing on Muslims, who for the sake of Islam, commit violent acts of terrorism. However, I want all my readers to know that I am fully aware there are many non-Muslim terrorists operating in the world. Some of these other terrorists are every bit as vicious as Muslim terrorists.
    3. A "terrorist" is defined as "one who engages in acts of terrorism". "Terrorism" is defined as "the unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."

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    Muhammad's Actions And Teachings
    When Muhammad started out preaching his religion of Islam he was not violent. If anything, he was more like Jesus or Gandhi. He was persecuted for preaching his religious ideas - Islam - and denigrating the pagan religions of the Meccans. Some of Muhammad's followers were tortured. Things were so bad for him and his few followers that he sent many of them to Abyssinia [Ethiopia] for refuge. Eventually, he and his followers moved north to a city called Yathrib [Medina], where some members of two Arab tribes wanted Muhammad to be their prophet.

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    Beginning Of Muhammad's Violence
    Just prior to Muhammad's leaving for Medina, he received a "revelation" allowing him to fight the Meccans. He knew that in Medina, he had a group of armed men who would support him. Furthermore, in Medina, would be more distant from the Meccans and their attempts to oppress or kill him. The following is from "The Life of Muhammad", page 212-213, by A. Guillaume, which is a rendering of Ibn Ishaq's "Sirat Rasulallah", a biography of Muhammad written by an early Muslim scholar [1].
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    The Apostle Receives The Order To Fight
    The apostle had not been given permission to fight or allowed to shed blood before the second Aqaba [a place where a pledge was made between Muhammad and his followers from Medina]. He had simply been ordered to call men to God and to endure insult and forgive the ignorant. The Quraysh [a leading group of Meccans] had persecuted his followers, seducing some from their religion and exiling others from their country. They had to choose whether to give up their religion, be maltreated at home, or to flee the country, some to Abyssinia, others to Medina.
    When Quraysh became insolent towards God and rejected His gracious purpose, accused His prophet of lying, and ill treated and exiled those who served Him and proclaimed His unity, believed in His prophet and held fast to His religion, He gave permission to His apostle to fight and to protect himself against those who wronged them and treated them badly.
    ......[a] The meaning is "I have allowed them to fight only because they have been unjustly treated while their sole offense against men has been that they worship God. When they are in the ascendant they will establish prayer, pay the poor-tax, enjoin kindness, and forbid iniquity, i.e., the prophet and his companions all of them." The God sent down to him: "Fight them so that there be no more seduction," i.e. until no believer is seduced from his religion. "And the religion is God's,", i.e. Until God alone is worshipped."
    [Note: two passages from the Qur'an are referenced: [a] Sura 22:39-41, which I did not quote, and Sura 2:193]
    Two critical points here:
    1) in Mecca, where Muhammad was weak, he attacked no one. He only preached his religion and insulted the Meccan's religions. But it was just prior to his leaving for Medina, where he had a limited amount of armed men to support him, that he received this "revelation" and began to use violence to further his desires. Islamic history shows that as Muslims grew in power their forms of violence changed from criminal terrorism to outright warfare.
    2) At the end of the quote, it says that Muslims are to fight those that do not worship Allah. When reading this passage from Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad is made to appear to be long suffering and primarily fighting in self defense, and that up until just before Muhammad's departure, the Meccan persecution was tolerable, but that it became so bad that Muhammad was finally given permission to fight back.
    The problem with this is that Muhammad had been severely persecuted prior to this and that Muslims had been abused well before their departure. In other words, the quoted passage is an apologetic work on Ibn Ishaq's part. Earlier, well before the Treaty of Aqaba, things were so bad for Muhammad that he went to a town called Taif to seek their help and protection [Guillaume, op cit, page 192]. The Taifians rejected and abused him. Things were so bad for Muhammad that in Mecca, Muhammad had to beg three men for their protection [Guillaume, op cit, page 194].
    In Mecca, Muhammad continued to proclaim himself as a prophet and he was abused all the more. He never received any "revelations" to fight at that time. Eventually, good fortune fell into Muhammad's lap and just as in Adolph Hitler's case, his persistence paid off. A group of feuding Arabs in Medina accepted him as their prophet. They hoped he could help them maintain peace. They eventually made a pledge to support Muhammad in war against the Quraysh [Guillaume, op cit, page 205]. Now Muhammad knew he had an able and armed following. It was only until he had a following that could defend themselves, and his people were migrating north to Medina, and that he knew he was going to leave town, that suddenly "Allah" gave Muhammad his "revelation" to fight. Muhammad's circumstances changed, and Muhammad's Allah changed with them. Muhammad went from being only a "warner" to being an aggressor. __________________
     

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    fernandokasu said:
    yeah nanga ur 100% crct.. dnt knw wat da hel is goin. dis ppl r gone mad. all muslims r nt trrrist:no:
    think twice b4 postin..@ xmen:oo:

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    Terrorism In The Qur'an Muhammad taught his followers to oppress or kill non-Muslims. Generally, Jews and Christians were allowed to live as such, provided they paid a special tax. This tax is Jizya, a tax revenue given to the Muslims to make up for revenues they lost from no longer dealing in pagan activities. If the Jews and Christians refused to pay this extortion tax they would have to convert to Islam or be killed. Non-Jews and non-Christians, such as idolaters or pagans, had to convert to Islam or be killed. Generally they didn't have the option of paying the tax. Here is the verse that teaches Muslims to oppress Jews and Christians:
    "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, (which is Islam that abolishes all other religions ) of the people of the Book, (meaning the Jews and the Christians ) until they pay the Jizya (the tax imposed upon them) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued . (with humiliation and submission to the government of Islam.) 9:29."
    (Commentary in parenthesis is from the Tafsir Al-Jalalein. i.e., Al-Jalalein’s Interpretation of the Koran.)
    The order to subjugate or kill Christians and Jews is in that verse. It is clear that Muhammad ordered his followers to fight those Christians and Jews to convert them or pay the Jizya, and if they didn't convert or pay, do you think that he told the followers to let them go in peace? It is very clear: convert, pay with submission, or die. The background for this is found in "The Life of Muhammad", op cit, page 620,
    "until they [the Jews and Christians] pay the poll tax out of hand being humbled", i.e. as a compensation for what you fear to lose by the closing of the markets. God gave them compensation for what He cut off from them in their former polytheism by what He gave them by way of poll tax from the people of scripture."
    Muhammad told his followers to attack the Jews and Christians. If they humble themselves and submit to the Muslims, but choose to remain Christian or Jewish, then they had to pay the Muslims. Again, as Muhammad's circumstances changed, Allah changed. Now Muhammad was an extortionist. Also note that the tax levied upon the Christians and Jews was not to support the state in general affairs, it was to compensate the Muslims. Muhammad was exactly like Mafia crime boss, making others pay for "protection," except it was Christians and Jews who really needed protection from the Muslims! Here is the verse in the Qur'an that teaches Muslims to attack and kill pagans:
    "When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful." Sura 9:5
    The background for this verse is found in "The Life of Muhammad", op cit, page 617-619. Please note that my comments are in [ ] type brackets, and that it is a very long passage, so I have only quoted a portion of it:
    A discharge came down, [Muhammad received a supposed revelation from God], permitting the breaking of the agreement between the apostle and the polytheists that none should be kept back from the temple when he came to it, and that none need fear during the sacred months. That there was a general agreement between him and the polytheists; meanwhile there were particular agreements between the apostle and the Arab tribes for specified terms. And there came down about it and about the disaffected who held back from him in the raid on Tabuk, [a Christian town Muhammad attacked, and forced them to pay him], .....So travel through the land for four months and know that you cannot escape God and that God will put the unbelievers to shame. And a proclamation from God and His apostle to men on the day of the greater pilgrimage that God and His apostle are free from obligation to the polytheists, i.e., after this pilgrimage. So if you repent it will be better for you; and if you turn back know that you cannot escape God. Inform those who disbelieve, about a painful punishment except those polytheists with whom you have made a treaty. .....If one of the polytheists, i.e. one of those whom I have ordered you to kill, asks your protection, give it him so that he may hear the word of God; then convey him to his place of safety.
    Basically, Muhammad had an agreement with a number of Arab tribes. Some were peaceful with him, others disliked him. "Allah" gave Muhammad a "revelation" allowing him to break his word, the "agreement" with the pagan Arabs and attack them after the four sacred months were over. Once again, Muhammad had gained power, and things changed. Now Muhammad was permitted to lie, i.e., break his agreement, and make war upon the pagans. Muhammad's circumstances changed, and Allah changed again.
    Note that in the last quoted paragraph, it is supposed to be God telling the Muslims to go out and kill people. Some of these people had gotten along peacefully with the Muslims. But because they didn't follow Muhammad, they were going to be attacked. __________________
     

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    X men said:
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    Terrorism In The Qur'an Muhammad taught his followers to oppress or kill non-Muslims. Generally, Jews and Christians were allowed to live as such, provided they paid a special tax. This tax is Jizya, a tax revenue given to the Muslims to make up for revenues they lost from no longer dealing in pagan activities. If the Jews and Christians refused to pay this extortion tax they would have to convert to Islam or be killed. Non-Jews and non-Christians, such as idolaters or pagans, had to convert to Islam or be killed. Generally they didn't have the option of paying the tax. Here is the verse that teaches Muslims to oppress Jews and Christians:
    "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, (which is Islam that abolishes all other religions ) of the people of the Book, (meaning the Jews and the Christians ) until they pay the Jizya (the tax imposed upon them) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued . (with humiliation and submission to the government of Islam.) 9:29."
    (Commentary in parenthesis is from the Tafsir Al-Jalalein. i.e., Al-Jalalein’s Interpretation of the Koran.)
    The order to subjugate or kill Christians and Jews is in that verse. It is clear that Muhammad ordered his followers to fight those Christians and Jews to convert them or pay the Jizya, and if they didn't convert or pay, do you think that he told the followers to let them go in peace? It is very clear: convert, pay with submission, or die. The background for this is found in "The Life of Muhammad", op cit, page 620,
    "until they [the Jews and Christians] pay the poll tax out of hand being humbled", i.e. as a compensation for what you fear to lose by the closing of the markets. God gave them compensation for what He cut off from them in their former polytheism by what He gave them by way of poll tax from the people of scripture."
    Muhammad told his followers to attack the Jews and Christians. If they humble themselves and submit to the Muslims, but choose to remain Christian or Jewish, then they had to pay the Muslims. Again, as Muhammad's circumstances changed, Allah changed. Now Muhammad was an extortionist. Also note that the tax levied upon the Christians and Jews was not to support the state in general affairs, it was to compensate the Muslims. Muhammad was exactly like Mafia crime boss, making others pay for "protection," except it was Christians and Jews who really needed protection from the Muslims! Here is the verse in the Qur'an that teaches Muslims to attack and kill pagans:
    "When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful." Sura 9:5
    The background for this verse is found in "The Life of Muhammad", op cit, page 617-619. Please note that my comments are in [ ] type brackets, and that it is a very long passage, so I have only quoted a portion of it:
    A discharge came down, [Muhammad received a supposed revelation from God], permitting the breaking of the agreement between the apostle and the polytheists that none should be kept back from the temple when he came to it, and that none need fear during the sacred months. That there was a general agreement between him and the polytheists; meanwhile there were particular agreements between the apostle and the Arab tribes for specified terms. And there came down about it and about the disaffected who held back from him in the raid on Tabuk, [a Christian town Muhammad attacked, and forced them to pay him], .....So travel through the land for four months and know that you cannot escape God and that God will put the unbelievers to shame. And a proclamation from God and His apostle to men on the day of the greater pilgrimage that God and His apostle are free from obligation to the polytheists, i.e., after this pilgrimage. So if you repent it will be better for you; and if you turn back know that you cannot escape God. Inform those who disbelieve, about a painful punishment except those polytheists with whom you have made a treaty. .....If one of the polytheists, i.e. one of those whom I have ordered you to kill, asks your protection, give it him so that he may hear the word of God; then convey him to his place of safety.
    Basically, Muhammad had an agreement with a number of Arab tribes. Some were peaceful with him, others disliked him. "Allah" gave Muhammad a "revelation" allowing him to break his word, the "agreement" with the pagan Arabs and attack them after the four sacred months were over. Once again, Muhammad had gained power, and things changed. Now Muhammad was permitted to lie, i.e., break his agreement, and make war upon the pagans. Muhammad's circumstances changed, and Allah changed again.
    Note that in the last quoted paragraph, it is supposed to be God telling the Muslims to go out and kill people. Some of these people had gotten along peacefully with the Muslims. But because they didn't follow Muhammad, they were going to be attacked. __________________
    he he tanx men.. gd job..:lol::lol::lol:..im offf