I am not...
"Asapuwa", "Pansala", "Viharaya", "Senasuna".. we should not care what we call a place..
The important thing is that we practice Dhamma correctly...
yes. I agree that we should find what is right, not who is right
As I see; it's good to chant in whatever language provided you understand the meaning...
yes. yes. We should know the meaning. not just chanting like parrots.
It is the suttas that tell us Dhamma, so the most important thing is learning what they say...
As for preserving: pali version should be preseved... as it had been for thousands of years...
Exactly. The Pali version has to be preserved. It has been there unaltered for 2500 years. Just one exmple. I visited two dhamma schools. both of them chanted the theruwan wandanaawa in sinhala. But the wording was different. So, if 100 different dhamma schools had 100 different wordings for theruwan wandanaawa and when they pass that wording to the next generation, the wordings can be much more altered. Remember that කපුටෝ දෙන්නෙක් වමනේ දාපු කතාව. so what i wanted to say, (not only my view, we isdiscussed with many seniour buddhist monks, and this is originally their idea) was, if we chant in paali, the version or the wordings get unaltered. But, as you very correctly said, we have to know the meaning. The other thing our seniour buddhist monks emphacized was, paali chanting is buddha's words and it has more power than we translate it and chant)
By the way, is it Mahamevnawa that you are referring to as Asapuwa (because I know a little about it)? And I know that they have their latest Tipitaka translations in both pali and sinhala...
I live in a western country... and I know that those in west use the English Tipitaka translations... so why not we Sinhalese use Sinhala translations..
Afterall our aim should be developing Dhamma in us...
very correct. our aim is in developping dhamma. And all what we say is only constructive criticism . not to say that I'm correct and you are wrong. It is to improve ourselves. Remember.. කාලේන ධම්ම සාකච්චා…
Anyway, I'd like to quote this
"Another interesting point in this sutta is that
Buddha
does not name any outside force
which is harmful to Buddha Saasana.
Only foolish Bhikkhu Bhikkunie Upasaka Upasika will make
Buddha sasana disappear."
I took it from another thread. It says, that the phylosophy within buddhism cannot be challanged by any other religions. Our buddhist philosophy is so strong. But, in the end the buddhism will come to an end because of something which would look like true buddhism. So.. we have to be very careful of what emerges and looks loke buddhism. What we can do is, keep the dhamma the buddha has taught us and analyze the new facts which you get to know, and believe it only if tallys with the dhamma and vinaya you already know.
Once we develop Shraddha... no one need to poke us and ask us to help preserve Dhamma..
Only shraddha wont do. You should have Budhdhi as well.. How much shradhdha you have, wont help you if the way you are going is wrong..
We'll do it spontaneously... because we know what Dhamma means...
what Dhamma bringsforth...
What they say is nonsense...
We do not want to get any 'powers' by listening to Suttas.
Our aim should be understanding them...
our loard buddha has done sathya kriya many times. Many suththa ends as a sathya kriyaa. So.. this is not nonsence.. not just understanding.
Once we enter the Path we get to know what we should do and should not...
If a monk does not keep 'expectations' on what he will get for 'Dane' he won't become a part of the sin (even if an animal was kille for the Dane - why?)... (see Jeewaka Sutta).
Woow.........
Many people who have at least have a little sympathy on animals that are being killed.. are now not eating fish or flesh. The world's many good peoples trend is now to become vegetarians. But, you people going in the opposite direction.
Let's leave the question to be answered by people with common sence, whether eating some one elses flesh, is good or bad.
But, i feel that the people who cannot control their mind are trying to find excuses for their mal behaviour of eating flesh.
Yes, the Supreme Buddhha has advocated the monks to accept meat if they are 'Tikotika parisuddha' (however there are certains types of meat the Supreme Buddha has forbidden to ear - because of various reasons). However, the monks have been advised to ask the donar of the origin - if they accept meet.
Aim of Sila is helping us refrain from the sins that will cause any hindarance to our completion of the Path... The aim is helping us have more control over our senses - so that we can more easily be mindful... etc... etc..
That's why we do not have to worry if we walk over ants? or if we drown the ants when watering plants? or if any insects have been killed when growing the crops we consume?
It's somewhat similar about meat...
Hei. this is now common sence. you should not think only of your carrier. you shold save any other insect or an animal's life if there is any possibility.
A sin happens only if there's intention...
Yes, you would sin if you keep buy meat with the aim of getting more and more animals killed...
But it's not a sin for you if you buy meat (some other food that contain meet)...
Because that animal was killed for someone to consume (not specifically you).. the sin happens at the moment of killing... and you are not involved there...
AnywayIf a monk does not keep 'expectations' on what he will get for 'Dane' he won't become a part of the sin (even if an animal was kille for the Dane - why?)... (see Jeewaka Sutta).
Therefore, eating meat or not should be our personal preference.. that's all...
That's why even the monks are not advised not to eat meat..
Another thing: there no hidden meaning in Dhamma...
So why would the Supreme Buddha discouse anything about 'tikotika parisudda' if eating meat is forbidden?
Anyway, the monks should discuss Dhamma as it was discoursed by the Buddha. That's for sure..
As for food.. it's good for monks if they do not have any expectations on what they would receive at a Danne.. i.e. They should not ask the Dayaka for food they desire..
About asapu, I do not know how the Dane is given to Asapu..
There's no asapu, where I live ...
Theruwan saranai!
