"Whom say ye that I am?"

WHO DO YOU THINK JESUS IS?


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i'm Sorry buddy, you are just bringing from some Christian website that falsely Quote the quranic versus.what happen here is you Just copy & paste it without checking its authentication.wait a moment and see below my answer, you will understand, you & your Christian missioners lies. only Shatans can be big liars

I did not put any quran verses there ok it is from the Bible :yes:;)

the Christians often quote one Quranic passage, and then think they have proven their point, let us quote this passage:

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YUSUFALI: Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,

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YUSUFALI: And another, the third (goddess), Manat?


u Christians love to quote these two verses and then stop, the question we must ask such Christians is why do they stop there? Is your holy spirit too afraid to quote the rest of the passages? Since Christians claim to be inspired by the holy spirit then what is the holy spirit hiding here? Let us now quote the rest of the passages:

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YUSUFALI: What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?

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YUSUFALI: Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!

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YUSUFALI: These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!

So had the Christians care to carry on, they would see that Allah exposes them making such a lie! Allah tells them that they the pagans have invented these false idols, and that it is something corrupt.

We must ask why do Christians not quote the rest? In fact I will not hold the Christians responsible for such deceit, but I will hold the holy spirit responsible. Christians claim the holy spirit inspires them, if that is true then the holy spirit is inspiring them to be untruthful, and to be distorters of truth, and to try and make up a lie. And such actions cannot be coming from a holy being, rather such action is inspired by someone called Iblis, who is shaytan, because only shaytan inspires people to make a lie against Allah and his Noble Quran.





What the hell is those verses ?
 
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ANTICHRIST IN ISLAM

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


Is Mohammed the antichrist? The verses above do not seem to suggest an individual. Is Islam antichrist? Since the most important fundamental in Islam is "shirk" - that God has no Son - it would seem undeniable.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


Additional verses that support this:


1John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
And this search for Son of God.

And Islam?
"O you People of the Book, overstep not bounds in your religion, and of God speak only the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is only an apostle of God, and his Word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from him. Believe therefore in God and his apostles, and say not Three. It will be better for you. God is only one God. Far be it from his glory that he should have a son."


Here is a verse from the Koran: "The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! Surah 9.30"


Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet, but they must necessarily believe their prophet to be a liar because Jesus said:

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said,I am the Son of God?

John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father [is] in me, and I in him.


John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 14:11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Those that deny the Son do not have the Father:


John 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.


John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.


Who judges?


John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

What a Silly arguments, You keep on quoting your Scriptures.for what??.1st of all, check it up in your bible, whether Jesus tells himself you guys to worship him, or trinity is exist there. or what manipulation & fabrication your missionaries did, and find out your original revelation and give us valid answers to us rather wasting the time here.
 

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What a Silly arguments, You keep on quoting your Scriptures.for what??.1st of all, check it up in your bible, whether Jesus tells himself you guys to worship him, or trinity is exist there. or what manipulation & fabrication your missionaries did, and find out your original revelation and give us valid answers to us rather wasting the time here.

Ane paw ban ............sin men

Our God is not just setting there in heaven like ur god (Just ask people to submit to him) he came to world and set example, he show how to love each other (not to kill)

Yeah Jesus never told people to Worship him he just show his pure love to all Human beings then after seeing his miracles and good deeds people start to worship him not becuase he bostfully begging to worship (like Islam) bt if he is not worthy of their worship he will never accept it

so here is the verses from the holy bible

He was often worshipped while He appeared on earth before His resurrection.

Matthew 8:2 - A leper came and worshipped Jesus. [9:18; 15:25; Mark 5:6]

Matthew 14:33 - After Jesus had calmed the storm, the disciples worshipped Him saying He was the Son of God.

John 9:38 - After Jesus had healed the blind man, He revealed Himself to be the Son of God (v35). The man said he believed, and he worshipped Jesus.

Note that such religious worship would have been blasphemy and should have been forbidden as it was in the case of Peter, the angel, etc., if Jesus had been just a man on earth.

Created beings also worship Him after His resurrection.

Matthew 28:9,17 - After His resurrection, His disciples worshipped Him. [Cf. John 20:28,29]

Luke 24:52 - Even after He had ascended back to heaven, they worshipped Him.

Hebrews 1:6 - Angels are instructed by God to worship Jesus.

Note that men were rebuked for worshipping men, angels, or created beings, but they were never rebuked for worshipping Jesus. Angels are even instructed by the Father to worship Jesus. The context of the above passages cannot fit the idea of obeisance to an earthly king or ruler. They refer to honoring Jesus as a religious authority - the very thing forbidden when offered to Peter, angels, etc.

Hence, Jesus accepted worship as an act of religious honor. The Scriptures, including Jesus' own teachings, would absolutely forbid this unless He possesses true Deity.

I can give you 1000 verses


Ok you said Trinity Concept is not in the Bible so here is it

Christ's Declaration regarding the Trinity in His Great Commission to His Disciples

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

John 5:18

For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 8:58

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple.

2 Corinthians 13:14

Philippians 2:1-2


The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Philippians 2:9-11

"Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."




"Go . . . teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost [Spirit]" (Matthew 28:19).
If these three were not God, it would not seem right to give each the same dignity and honor. And if they were more than one God, would not Jesus have been likely to say "in the names" instead of only "in the name?"

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all Amen" (II Corinthians 13:14).
If these three Persons here mentioned were not equally God it would not seem right to give each of them the same importance. Indeed, would it not be an insult to the true God to do this?
There are many other similar passages, but these are sufficient for my purpose here.




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Same thing i would say to you


Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.


Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
 

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1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].


John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.


Sura 112:1-3:[/B] Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;


1John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
 
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Now do not take me wrong you have a choice there is no doubt abt it

You can accept Jesus Christ or Reject him

But here we do not talk abt our Freedom of Choice here Anti-Christ forced people to not to b'live another important thing is he will decieve many and he will do many miracles too
but his ultimate goal is to reject Father , Son and the Holy spirit

other important thing is he will come under one motto "Peace"

Islam ask people to submit bt in Christianity there is no submission just an Acceptence is enogh
 

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You Decide which verses is from GOD ............

Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.


But that is a lie regarding the Gospel:


Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;


Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them


John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.


Sura 9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);...


Sura 9:123 O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers . . .


Matthew 7:15-16 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.
 

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THE "TRINITY"


It would seem Mohammed didn't even know what the "trinity" is:


Surah 5:116 - And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.


The "trinity" has nothing to do with Mary. It is the Father, manifest in His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit that Christians are given through Jesus' name - God's Spirit guiding and teaching us.


Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


In Old Testament prophecy:


Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.


The New Testament fulfillment:


Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.


Old Testament prophecy:


Father/Son:
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


New Testament fulfillment:


Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The Father:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


Father/Son:
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.


The Son:
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


The Spirit of God:


Old Testament:
Exodus 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,


New Testament:
John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


1Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
 

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Just think .........

All other religions figures like Krishna, Buddha, and Jesus all are great teachers they had a good moral character they promote Love but What about the teaching of Islam what about Mohammed. Mohammed did marry a small child, he wage wars (there is no holy wars) so this is why is it very hard to believe that this Mohamed or Quran is from God it is definitely not from God

Believe me their 2nd Jihad is now operating …..
 
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Ane paw ban ............sin men

Our God is not just setting there in heaven like ur god (Just ask people to submit to him) he came to world and set example, he show how to love each other (not to kill)

What are u talking about here. MAN GOD? you can only make in hollywood films like superman, God man, God father etc....

Yeah Jesus never told people to Worship him he just show his pure love to all Human beings then after seeing his miracles and good deeds people start to worship him not becuase he bostfully begging to worship (like Islam) bt if he is not worthy of their worship he will never accept it

here are you saying he must be worshipped or optional by saying he is worthy to worship..Looks so fishy, you are not giving a concrete point as to what you scriptures say.

so here is the verses from the holy bible

He was often worshipped while He appeared on earth before His resurrection.

Matthew 8:2 - A leper came and worshipped Jesus. [9:18; 15:25; Mark 5:6]

Matthew 14:33 - After Jesus had calmed the storm, the disciples worshipped Him saying He was the Son of God.

John 9:38 - After Jesus had healed the blind man, He revealed Himself to be the Son of God (v35). The man said he believed, and he worshipped Jesus.

Note that such religious worship would have been blasphemy and should have been forbidden as it was in the case of Peter, the angel, etc., if Jesus had been just a man on earth.


Just bec he has not forbidden do you come in conclusion that he has to be worshipped based on your hypocrisy belief. in contrast, whatever he did including the miracles not by own, shall i give clear cut proof from your own bible that Jesus said only God should be worshipped, see below



“And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)”

"Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"

"My Father (GOD) is greater than I. (From the NIV Bible, John 14:28)"

"If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. (From the NIV Bible, John 5:31)"

"By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. (From the NIV Bible, John 5:30)"

"...You have never heard his (GOD's) voice nor seen his form...(From the NIV Bible, John 5:37)"

"Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 23:46)"

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 24:36)" Not even Jesus knows when the Hour will come! How in the World can he be the Creator of the Universe?!



Created beings also worship Him after His resurrection.

Matthew 28:9,17 - After His resurrection, His disciples worshipped Him. [Cf. John 20:28,29]

Luke 24:52 - Even after He had ascended back to heaven, they worshipped Him.

Hebrews 1:6 - Angels are instructed by God to worship Jesus.

Note that men were rebuked for worshipping men, angels, or created beings, but they were never rebuked for worshipping Jesus. Angels are even instructed by the Father to worship Jesus. The context of the above passages cannot fit the idea of obeisance to an earthly king or ruler. They refer to honoring Jesus as a religious authority - the very thing forbidden when offered to Peter, angels, etc.

Hence, Jesus accepted worship as an act of religious honor. The Scriptures, including Jesus' own teachings, would absolutely forbid this unless He possesses true Deity.

I can give you 1000 verses

see this below


"Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 28:9)"

"While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven. Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy. And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 24:51-53)"

"Then the man said, 'Lord, I believe,' and he worshiped him. (From the NIV Bible, John 9:38)"

"And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let all God's angels worship him.' (From the NIV Bible, Hebrews 1:6)"


Very nice, it seems that Trinitarians are confused about people loving and adoring Jesus peace be upon him so much that they would greet him by either bending down their heads while standing (which could be considered an act of worship), or by bowing down on their hands and knees and greeting him with an act of worship


Notice in Luke 24:53 it says "praising God" and not "praising Jesus". After they finished greeting Jesus, who was given the power to heal the sick, cure the blind, and bring the dead into life, they returned to Jerusalem and Worshiped GOD Almighty.


Ok you said Trinity Concept is not in the Bible so here is it

Christ's Declaration regarding the Trinity in His Great Commission to His Disciples

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

John 5:18

For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 8:58

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple.

2 Corinthians 13:14

Philippians 2:1-2


The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

Philippians 2:9-11

"Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."


"Go . . . teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost [Spirit]" (Matthew 28:19).
If these three were not God, it would not seem right to give each the same dignity and honor. And if they were more than one God, would not Jesus have been likely to say "in the names" instead of only "in the name?"

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all Amen" (II Corinthians 13:14).
If these three Persons here mentioned were not equally God it would not seem right to give each of them the same importance. Indeed, would it not be an insult to the true God to do this?
There are many other similar passages, but these are sufficient for my purpose here.


where does jesus himself say,Im the God. we three are in One.see from you same bible it says one. if I accept with you, then your bible contradicting itself. then you have to answer me now why it is contradicting?


""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 18:19)"

"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 23:19)"



also if all 3 are in 1..why Jesus want to say that father is greater than him. doesn't that mean he did everything with the help of father..so all credit goes to father(God) not jesus. Refute me if you have anything..I dont think you will have answer.

"My Father (GOD) is greater than I (From the NIV Bible, John 14:28)"

So my requirement is very simple, where & when Jesus claimed divinity and trinity(in his own word), provide proof from your bible. above I gave you many direct Quotes from Your bible that Jesus himself say he cant do anything without God's help,he is not good to worship but God...now it is your time to provide me direct simple answer.
 
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Mchan just tell me how many verses are there in Koran ? :confused:

you are acting childish. No valid points you are raising other than merely quoting versus from Bible, for your advice, if you want to argue anything to prove your point Quote your versus with the valid point, Just copying & pasting the versus alone will not make anyone to read that, than filling the elakiri website space.
 
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Just think .........

All other religions figures like Krishna, Buddha, and Jesus all are great teachers they had a good moral character they promote Love but What about the teaching of Islam what about Mohammed. Mohammed did marry a small child, he wage wars (there is no holy wars) so this is why is it very hard to believe that this Mohamed or Quran is from God it is definitely not from God

Believe me their 2nd Jihad is now operating …..

This is the Evading tactics which are used by Christians to undermine islam..can I expose violence activities in your bible, also pornification in your bible. I dont want to insult any religion (though it has), only when you come up with wrong allegation against Islam & mohammed..Can I also bring from your bible the same which is true.if you challenge i will bring up here the porn & violence in your holy bible..then you will run away...
 

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"Christianity" still survives cos its used as the religion of the so called powerful countries.

Its a two way deal, they spend money to spread and support Christianity and in return the church will shut its mouth and support the atrocities done by them.

None of the messengers who brought gods word did this, jesus (pbuh) himself stood up against same evil doings of the rulers in his period.


 

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"Christianity" still survives cos its used as the religion of the so called powerful countries.

Its a two way deal, they spend money to spread and support Christianity and in return the church will shut its mouth and support the atrocities done by them.

None of the messengers who brought gods word did this, jesus (pbuh) himself stood up against same evil doings of the rulers in his period.



No way son now this has taken by Islam I not going to say all Christian countries are good .... Hama agamakama judasla innawane

Yeah Jesus is the only example do not forget that even that time some people said nice stories about him
 

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This is the Evading tactics which are used by Christians to undermine islam..can I expose violence activities in your bible, also pornification in your bible. I dont want to insult any religion (though it has), only when you come up with wrong allegation against Islam & mohammed..Can I also bring from your bible the same which is true.if you challenge i will bring up here the porn & violence in your holy bible..then you will run away...

Hey son show me one verse from New Testament if you can

Jesus become a good example of God's Love :yes:

but What did your mohomed do? He is a Murderer from the very beginning :frown:
 

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Matthew 12:33 "Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.

Hey I love you Sri lanka
I will start a new thread to educate people abt History of Islam so just wait for it ok
 

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Bro wat ever religion we r. we will be united under YA ISA(Jesus) PBH FLAG as 1 after IMAM MAHDHI- PBH Comes.

Cheers!

He will run da world for 40 years.:yes: u can c his face