Why assume your GOD is true?

Y2K

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No one comes to the Father except through Me

Through me, means Message came through him from God at that time. it doesnt prove neither he was God nor he is son of God...Only messenger.

Yes. as a last resort this is the final message I get from all the Christians coz, they dont want to deny their agenda despite they have no proof.

Christ have mercy on you ! :P I am not Just a Christian all you want is to deny that Jesus is Son of God. I have given enough proof for you to have a second though Jesus said to his disciples that if they do not listen to you means they do don't listen to me as well

I have no agenda , but Jesus's life is the real proof I remember when i was small i also didn't b'live that Jesus is GOD. & I didn't like to believe that Romans crucified my Jesus but when i do research carefully I found the true meaning of Christianity

Mind you when I was 15 I read the life of Buddha then his Doctrine of Karma ..... because I have thousands of questions that Christians documents unable to give proper answers to my grave questions then i found the answers in Buddha's teachings then i got inspired & learn Buddhism actually more you read more you love his teachings meanwhile i never stop asking GOD to show me the way he showed me the way unless i found the answers I would have become an Buddhist person but still I like Buddhism it is not a religion it's a way of life, a philosophy not just a philosophy it a supreme philosophy. I've seen ur Dr. Zakir Naik talking about Jesus Christ most of the idea you have taken from Dr.Zakir. my friend just carefully think of what you wanted? all you want is just to deny Jesus Christ (Bible said whoever deny Jesus Christ Denies the Father) you Koran have 70 verses talking about Jesus (Deny Jesus) why?

Dr.Zakir is a very good speaker but not a good preacher when he trying to define other people religions for example he said next Buddha (Miethri Buddha) what Buddha has discribed is Muhammad (Read Prophet Muhammad in Buddhist Scriptures) , What Jesus talk abt the Helper (Holy Spirit ) is Mohammad. he said what Hinduism is expecting next avatar is Muhammed (Read Prophet Muhammad in Hindus' Scripture). They are worred abt about lot abt another religion they try to redefine others belief system as well (story makers) do you think Dr.Zakir's teacher died peacefully ? (I do not want to judge people but they reap what they sow - That's the eternal law)
if that is not the case i am sorry mchan ok (I do not want to show this one but just for your good sake i will give you this link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Z_zSj4DuI)


So their intension is very clear
visit http://www.ilovezakirnaik.com

anyway I will pray for u to open ur mind. This elakirians are witness that I have told u the truth. in the day of judgement Dont' tell God that no one has told u.

Elakirian knows very well about your religion (I don't want to argue or condemn any others belief - I don't want because I got a complete religion full of compassion & love) Brother Jesus has taught us not to judge any other (Judgement belongs to God but you have Judged me) Most proberbly Jesus:love: is the one who do the Judgement so there is nothing to worry about me :D:love:

I can do one thing about you ask our Lord Jesus Christ to show you the way before you die then you have chance I honestly pray for you brother bible tells us Jesus is worried a about his lost sheep rather than the ones he have already (there are many Prodigal sons in his family but Father is waiting for them) anyway your prayers are always welcome



Do not try to redefine others religion sometimes it's better to Mind our own business

God bless you all

- Y2K
 
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I have been learning&reading about some of the major religions for sometime. NO scholars are coming to this site, only average learners come to this site to learn abt the religions, so I dont think your statement is required here.


If you are gonna make a claim saying you know what other scriptures have given for the definition of GOD, then you need to know what other scriptures are. So you need to know all of them. Otherwise just don't make such a claim. I'm sure there are hundreds of scriptures that you don't know about and I don't know about.


I don't want to go in to much details. Islam states that Allah sent messengers and prophets throughout the ages with the message of Oneness of God, and accountability in the Hereafter. Islam thus makes it an article of faith to believe in all the earlier prophets, starting with Adam, and continuing with Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, John and Jesus amongst many others (may peace be on them all).still presently you can see followers of this prophets i.e Jews, Christians etc.....Major religions such as Judaism and Christianity in its scripture talks about a prophet(final messenger Mohammed)to come.to whom quran was revealed. so the basic message is same.GOD is one..now we are believing the same God which original Christianity and Judaism scriptures mentioned.
In simple words the reason for you to believe is because it is stated in Islam. In other words because it is mentioned in quran.
 
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The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, while having existed in secrecy for hundreds of years, only recently came into the mainstream when this letter was published in May 2005.


With millions, if not thousands, of devout worshippers, the Church of the FSM is widely considered a legitimate religion, even by its opponents – mostly fundamentalist Christians, who have accepted that our God has larger balls than theirs.


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Attributes of Jesus: In A Nutshell:


Jesus was not an ordinary man. He did not "accept by faith" that He was the Messiah, He knew, without a doubt, who He was. He remembered His life in heaven before He was born. He had supernatural abilities; he could read minds, defy the laws of nature, control the weather, foretell the future and work miracles. He could see into the spiritual realm, had divine understanding and was given ultimate authority.

Supporting Scriptures:
Supernatural Memory
Supernatural Sight
Supernatural Obedience
Supernatural Authority
Supernatural Ability to Read Minds
Supernatural Knowledge
Supernatural Understanding
Supernatural Ability to Defy the Laws of Nature
Supernatural Ability to Perform Miracles
Supernatural Equality with God

Jesus Had Supernatural Memory:
Speaking of events before Jesus was born:
Luke 10:18 He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning fall from heaven."

Speaking of prophets and righteous men of the past:
Matthew 13:17 For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

esus Had Supernatural Sight:
Jesus could see beyond the physical realm:
John 1:47 When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, he said of him, "Here is a true Israelite, in whom there is nothing false." 48 "How do you know me?" Nathanael asked. Jesus answered, "I saw you while you were still under the fig tree before Philip called you." 49 Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel." 50 Jesus said, "You believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You shall see greater things than that." 51 He then added, "I tell you the truth, you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man."

Jesus saw God the Father:
John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

Peter said David was a prophet and was speaking of Jesus in the following verses (the Messiah is speaking in the verses):
Acts 2.25 David said about him: " 'I saw the Lord always before me. Because he is at my right hand, I will not be shaken.' "

Jesus Had Supernatural Obedience:
John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me."

Philippians 2:5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus; 6 Who being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped (clutched with an unrelenting grip), 7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death — even death on a cross! 9 Therefore, God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Jesus Had Supernatural Authority:
Jesus had authority to judge, but judged only what he heard:
John 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

John 5:30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Jesus Had Supernatural Ability to Read Minds:
Matthew 9:4 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said, "Why do you entertain evil thoughts in your hearts?

Matthew 12:25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.

Mark 2:8 Immediately Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, "Why are you thinking these things? 9 Which is easier: to say to the paralytic, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, take your mat and walk'?

Jesus Had Supernatural Knowledge:
He knew Zacchaeus' name before Zacchaeus ever saw him.
Luke 19:1 Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. 2 A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy. 3 He wanted to see who Jesus was, but being a short man he could not, because of the crowd. 4 So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way. 5 When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, "Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today." 6 So he came down at once and welcomed him gladly.

Jesus Had Supernatural Understanding:
Jesus always had an answer for every question. Although many tried, no one could stump him. And His answers were always profound.
Mark 2:18 Now John's disciples and the Pharisees were fasting. Some people came and asked Jesus, "How is it that John's disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees are fasting, but yours are not?" 19 Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them? They cannot, so long as they have him with them. 20 But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them, and on that day they will fast. 21 "No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. If he does, the new piece will pull away from the old, making the tear worse. 22 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, he pours new wine into new wineskins."

Mark 3:1 Another time he went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, "Stand up in front of everyone." 4 Then Jesus asked them, "Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?" But they remained silent. 5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.

Mark 3:20 Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21 When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind." 22 And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons." 23 So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27 In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. 28 I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. 29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." 30 He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."

Mark 2:23 Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name. 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men. 25 He did not need man's testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man

Jesus Had Supernatural Ability to Fortell the Future:
Mark 11:1 As they approached Jerusalem and came to Bethphage and Bethany at the Mount of Olives, Jesus sent two of his disciples, 2 saying to them, "Go to the village ahead of you, and just as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 3 If anyone asks you, 'Why are you doing this?' tell him, 'The Lord needs it and will send it back here shortly.' " 4 They went and found a colt outside in the street, tied at a doorway. As they untied it, 5 some people standing there asked, "What are you doing, untying that colt?" 6 They answered as Jesus had told them to, and the people let them go.

Mark 13:1 As he was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, "Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!" 2 "Do you see all these great buildings?" replied Jesus. "Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." 3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 "Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?" 5 Jesus said to them: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 6 Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many. 7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains. 9 "You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit. 12 "Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18 Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again. 20 If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible. 23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time. 24 "But in those days, following that distress, " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' 26 "At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. 28 "Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. 30 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. 32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33 Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come. 34 It's like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with his assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch. 35 "Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. 36 If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. 37 What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!' "

Mark 14:13 So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, "Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him. 14 Say to the owner of the house he enters, 'The Teacher asks: Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?' 15 He will show you a large upper room, furnished and ready. Make preparations for us there." 16 The disciples left, went into the city and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover.
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Supernatural Ability to Defy the Laws of Nature:
Turned water into wine:
John 2:1 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, "They have no more wine." 4 "Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come." 5 His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you." 6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons. 7 Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim. 8 Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet." They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now." 11 This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed in Cana of Galilee. He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him.

Walked on water:
Matthew 14:22 Immediately Jesus made the disciples get into the boat and go on ahead of him to the other side, while he dismissed the crowd. 23 After he had dismissed them, he went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. When evening came, he was there alone, 24 but the boat was already a considerable distance from land, buffeted by the waves because the wind was against it. 25 During the fourth watch of the night Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. 26 When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. "It's a ghost," they said, and cried out in fear. 27 But Jesus immediately said to them: "Take courage! It is I. Don't be afraid." 28 "Lord, if it's you," Peter replied, "tell me to come to you on the water." 29 "Come," he said. Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, "Lord, save me!" 31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. "You of little faith," he said, "why did you doubt?" 32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."

Calmed the storm:
Matthew 8:23 Then he got into the boat and his disciples followed him. 24 Without warning, a furious storm came up on the lake, so that the waves swept over the boat. But Jesus was sleeping. 25 The disciples went and woke him, saying, "Lord, save us! We're going to drown!" 26 He replied, "You of little faith, why are you so afraid?" Then he got up and rebuked the winds and the waves, and it was completely calm. 27 The men were amazed and asked, "What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!"

Arose from the dead:
John 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

1 Corinthians 15:3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

Ascended into heaven:
Mark 16:19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. 20 Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.

Luke 24:50 When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them. 51 While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven. 52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy. 53 And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.

Acts 1:9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. 10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."

I will spot here ......list goes on bible says if they have to write the all the miracles we have to write thousands of book

This is the attribte of Jesus

Jesus = God but God > Jesus (but father is grether than jesus because Jesus is just an example & our savior who come to save all human being)
 

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කිඹුලා බනිස්;8477964 said:
The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, while having existed in secrecy for hundreds of years, only recently came into the mainstream when this letter was published in May 2005.


With millions, if not thousands, of devout worshippers, the Church of the FSM is widely considered a legitimate religion, even by its opponents – mostly fundamentalist Christians, who have accepted that our God has larger balls than theirs.


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We B'live in word of God (Jesus Christ)

another work of anti-christ :rofl:

This is my last words : Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.


today you divided up his clothes
 
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කිඹුලා බනිස්;8477964 said:
The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, while having existed in secrecy for hundreds of years, only recently came into the mainstream when this letter was published in May 2005.


With millions, if not thousands, of devout worshippers, the Church of the FSM is widely considered a legitimate religion, even by its opponents – mostly fundamentalist Christians, who have accepted that our God has larger balls than theirs.


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If you are gonna make a claim saying you know what other scriptures have given for the definition of GOD, then you need to know what other scriptures are. So you need to know all of them. Otherwise just don't make such a claim. I'm sure there are hundreds of scriptures that you don't know about and I don't know about.

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Really@!..I told you I have been learning for sometime, unless i know I would have not posted..you mean to say whoever come to this forum and claiming something have got clear knowledge or Got doctorate degree in comparative studies.your quotes are silly...you are normal ne...:dull:

In simple words the reason for you to believe is because it is stated in Islam. In other words because it is mentioned in quran.

I knew your intention, that is why though Quran say many thing about the God and earlier people and their belief, I have not mentioned even a single verse from Quran.just plainly said Islam states that...
I Dont understand how can u know ur Grand father name unless your father say he is Mr.X.., for this you are not going to break your head and say I don't want my father say to me, but you are going to do scientific research to know ur grand father name.
 
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Elakirian knows very well about your religion (I don't want to argue or condemn any others belief - I don't want because I got a complete religion full of compassion & love) Brother Jesus has taught us not to judge any other (Judgement belongs to God but you have Judged me) Most proberbly Jesus:love: is the one who do the Judgement so there is nothing to worry about me :D:love:

I can do one thing about you ask our Lord Jesus Christ to show you the way before you die then you have chance I honestly pray for you brother bible tells us Jesus is worried a about his lost sheep rather than the ones he have already (there are many Prodigal sons in his family but Father is waiting for them) anyway your prayers are always welcome



Do not try to redefine others religion sometimes it's better to Mind our own business

God bless you all

- Y2K

I am sorry to say your comments are again General, it is not worth to answer.either u have to refute to my comment or you have to give something concrete evidence to prove that Jesus was God or son of God. even if you give some versus from ur bible which may be slightly matching or you are trying to match in order to prove he was God,then still u have to disagree with my versus which says he is not god.Unless you u disapprove my versus, then u have other problem that you bible has contradiction saying one place he is God, other place He is not. dont roam around other subject, directly answers abt ur faith.
What a Hypothesis/foolish comment r you are giving abt Mr.Deedat, see all the souls may feel the pain at the time of death, whether it can be muslim or christians, are christians never suffered in the coma stage as Mr.Deedat(may allah provide him great heaven) suffered. ridiculous your post and the person who made this video...I do not know how the pain of human beings ... or the moments of painful death indicate that he is a man regretful or evil or afraid?

His son Yusuf said that the cause of his death was heart failure.
The family was not in a state of shock, said Yusuf. “As Muslims we believe that every soul shall taste death.”
Even the prophets ( peace upon them) suffered from the pain of death.

Remember that Christians believe that Jesus suffered very much in his last moment before death, and tortured ...Do you agree with his enemies that he deserved revenge and punishment???

I don't compare between our Prophet Jesus (PUH) and Dedat ,but only for the analysis of the situation .
Ahmad dedat was Just person from millions of people and he isn't prophet or especial ... .

Ahmed Deedat in the years of his illness was connect with the world through the computer ,and he was able to declare repentance ... If he regretful ... But he was re-watched his lectures and videos conversations and has been taking notes and he called his pupils to follow up his way.
 
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Explain this to me. So jesus was not GOD. Did anyone claim he was? Why would that make the faith wrong? How can a faith be ever wrong? We have faith on something because we don't know for sure don't we?

Yes Jesus was not God.you can refer my last 3days replies to Y2k,where I proved with their Bible, not with quran. Y2k claimed so. of course their faith wrong as they are not following bible correctly....faith depend on the source creditability.
 
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Attributes of Jesus: In A Nutshell:


Jesus was not an ordinary man. He did not "accept by faith" that He was the Messiah, He knew, without a doubt, who He was. He remembered His life in heaven before He was born. He had supernatural abilities; he could read minds, defy the laws of nature, control the weather, foretell the future and work miracles. He could see into the spiritual realm, had divine understanding and was given ultimate authority.

Supporting Scriptures:
Supernatural Memory
Supernatural Sight
Supernatural Obedience
Supernatural Authority
Supernatural Ability to Read Minds
Supernatural Knowledge
Supernatural Understanding
Supernatural Ability to Defy the Laws of Nature
Supernatural Ability to Perform Miracles
Supernatural Equality with God

All of them Given by God...Gospel of Mathew, Ch.12, Verse No. 28... ‘He cast out devil by the Spirit of God. Gospel of Luke, Ch.11, Verse No.20 ‘With the finger of God, he cast out devil. He did everything which bore witness of the Father

New Testament texts using "One" when referring to GOD

Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Matt 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

Matt 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Matt 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Mark 1:24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Luke 4:34 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.

Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

John 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

John 8:50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

1 Cor 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
 
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Really@!..I told you I have been learning for sometime, unless i know I would have not posted..you mean to say whoever come to this forum and claiming something have got clear knowledge or Got doctorate degree in comparative studies.your quotes are silly...you are normal ne...:dull:
Man let me tell you, By not being able to understand what I'm saying and mumbling the same thing over and over, and more importantly by saying my quotes are silly, you are making you look silly. Again the break down for you. But this is my last try. You are so limited to your thinking you can't understand a simple logic.

If someone claims to know something, he should know something. If you say you know about all the cultures in the world, you need to have read about all the cultures. Same goes for the religion.

(1) A claims He knows what Islam teaches about GOD.
To make that claim he has to have read the quran.
(2) A claims he knows what Islam and Christianity teaches about GOD.
To make that claim he has to have read both scriptures.
(3)A claims he knows what other religious teach about GOD.
I am Sorry to say again that you are not aware about what other scriptures give definition to God.
To make that claim he has to have read other scriptures.
Man you can't even understand something simple as this, and so I don't know how I can continue to discuss this with you.

I knew your intention, that is why though Quran say many thing about the God and earlier people and their belief, I have not mentioned even a single verse from Quran.just plainly said Islam states that...
I Dont understand how can u know ur Grand father name unless your father say he is Mr.X.., for this you are not going to break your head and say I don't want my father say to me, but you are going to do scientific research to know ur grand father name.
My intention doesn't matter. Just tell me why you believe it. I'm here to understand whether you have any logical reason to do so. Without lengthy explanations "I believe because it's said in the quran" Is perfectly acceptable.
 
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Man let me tell you, By not being able to understand what I'm saying and mumbling the same thing over and over, and more importantly by saying my quotes are silly, you are making you look silly. Again the break down for you. But this is my last try. You are so limited to your thinking you can't understand a simple logic.

It is really fun to have chat with you, I enjoyed lot with your words twisting. earlier u talked abt God's definition, again u came back and said u didnt talk abt God definition. now you are blaming me for something else.I can make out of ur mind now. really im saying concretely your comment are so silly, though it looks great logic for you... anyway Im not here to fight with u, this is the reply for ur comment

If someone claims to know something, he should know something. If you say you know about all the cultures in the world, you need to have read about all the cultures. Same goes for the religion.

Again would like to tell u, only bec some one have some knowledge abt something only they put the comments here.whoever comes to this forum has some idea abt wat they are posting.this is common sense..

(1) A claims He knows what Islam teaches about GOD.
To make that claim he has to have read the quran.
(2) A claims he knows what Islam and Christianity teaches about GOD.
To make that claim he has to have read both scriptures.
(3)A claims he knows what other religious teach about GOD.

To make that claim he has to have read other scriptures.

Haven't I told u so? I used the sentence of I have been learning, I have knowledge..Do I need to say u specially that I am reading other scriptures...come on man!

Man you can't even understand something simple as this, and so I don't know how I can continue to discuss this with you.

If u think so.why you are continuing with me, I will not beg you to chat with me.see for you guys if some one is saying talking something Good and logic, it hurts you lot, you label him as moron as you do for Dr.Zakir naik without debating him and defeat him, this is my understanding after i came in to this forum


My intention doesn't matter. Just tell me why you believe it. I'm here to understand whether you have any logical reason to do so. Without lengthy explanations "I believe because it's said in the quran" Is perfectly acceptable.

As you know religion is purely based on faith, don't call us blind faith, it was tested by many scholars even by Non Muslims great scholars,scientists and I could watch many debates with well learned people.so far what ever could see gave me the Idea that the faith that I am following is logical faith. I couldn't see something better than this. may be it is not for u...anyway its up to u, everything can't be understood by everyone. also seeing the history of this world and the old scriptures that came before quran speaks abt something to come.
 
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It is really fun to have chat with you, I enjoyed lot with your words twisting. earlier u talked abt God's definition, again u came back and said u didnt talk abt God definition. now you are blaming me for something else.I can make out of ur mind now. really im saying concretely your comment are so silly, though it looks great logic for you... anyway Im not here to fight with u, this is the reply for ur comment

Again would like to tell u, only bec some one have some knowledge abt something only they put the comments here.whoever comes to this forum has some idea abt wat they are posting.this is common sense..

Haven't I told u so? I used the sentence of I have been learning, I have knowledge..Do I need to say u specially that I am reading other scriptures...come on man!

If u think so.why you are continuing with me, I will not beg you to chat with me.see for you guys if some one is saying talking something Good and logic, it hurts you lot, you label him as moron as you do for Dr.Zakir naik without debating him and defeat him, this is my understanding after i came in to this forum
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This is as far as I go regarding this. I tried. I should have learned by now, that there are limits to your mind, that you can't escape.
It's good that you at least find amusement in my posts, since you obviously can't understand anything else from it.



so far what ever could see gave me the Idea that the faith that I am following is logical faith. I couldn't see something better than this. may be it is not for u.
Ok, the reason for you to believe your faith speaks of the true GOD, and reveals the true path to GOD is because you find it to be logical.
In what way is it logical ?
 
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Ok, the reason for you to believe your faith speaks of the true GOD, and reveals the true path to GOD is because you find it to be logical.
In what way is it logical ?
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OK let me explain like this, We believe that God revealed books to His messengers as proof against mankind and a guidance for the righteous workers. They purified and taught them wisdom by these books.

We believe that Allah sent down a book with every messenger, because He says: "Indeed We sent down Our messengers with the clear signs, and We sent down with them the book and the balance, so that people may uphold justice" (57:25).

Books Known:

Among the books that were revealed, we know & witness still now.

I ) The Torah, which was revealed to Moses, peace be upon him. It is the greatest among the Israelites' books: "Surely, We sent down the Torah, wherein is guidance and light; by its laws the Jews have been judged by the prophets who surrendered themselves to Allah, the rabbis and the doctors of law, because they were entrusted the protection of Allah's book and were witnesses thereto" (5:44).

2) The Gospel, which Allah revealed to Jesus, peace be upon him. It is a confirmation of the Torah and a complement to it: "And we gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light and confirming the Torah before it, as a guidance and an admonition to the God-fearing" (5:46); "And to make lawful to you certain things that, before, were forbidden to you" (3:50).

3) The Psalms, which Allah gave to David, peace be upon him.

4) The Tablets of Abraham and Moses, peace be upon them.

5) The Glorious Qur'an, which was revealed to His Prophet Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets. It is "a guidance to the people and clear signs of guidance and the criterion between right and wrong" (2:185). The Qur'an Is Protected from Change:

The Qur'an is "confirming the scripture that was before it and stands as a guardian over it." Thus, by means of the Qur'an, Allah abrogated all the previous revealed books. Allah has also guaranteed its protection from any play or mischievous distortion: "Indeed, We sent down the message and We will guard it" (15:9), for the Qur'an is a proof against mankind till the Day of Judgment.

Previous Scriptures Changed:

The previous scriptures were meant for a limited period. Their use ended with the revelation of the Qur'an, which abrogated them and exposed their distortions and changes. That is why they were not protected from corruption. They underwent distortion, addition, and omission: "Some of the Jews pervert words from their meanings" (4:46); "So woe to those who write the Book with their hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' that they may sell it for a little price. So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for their earnings" (2:79); "Say, who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and a guidance to people? You put it into sheets of paper showing some of them and concealing much" (6:91); "And there is a group among them who twist their tongues with the Book, that you may think it is a part of the Book but it is not part of the Book. And they say 'It is from Allah,' yet it is not from Allah, and they tell a lie against Allah and they know it. It is not for any human being to whom Allah has given the Book, the Wisdom and the Prophet hood to say to men 'Worship me instead of Allah"' (3:79); "People of the Book! Our Messenger has come to you, making clear to you many things you have been concealing of the Book and forgiving you of much. A light has come to you from Allah and a glorious Book, with which He will guide whoever follows His pleasure in the way of peace, and brings them forth from darkness into the light by His will" (5:15-16).

If you need any evidence for earlier scriptures corrupted, I can bring forward here.but I don't want to make it so long. Quran was revealed by the same one God who revealed the earlier revelation.also earlier revelation still evidencing the one God, coming about prophet Mohammed and also as Allah(God) mentioned in Quran,it is protected from corruption. so I trust the same one GOD who revealed all the scriptures & sent the messengers in this world. if I say Quran mentioned so, some may reject it as it is a single source, but all these scriptures are witness.

the answers can be given to you many ways, but this is my way of explanation.
 

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OK let me explain like this, We believe that God revealed books to His messengers as proof against mankind and a guidance for the righteous workers. They purified and taught them wisdom by these books.

We believe that Allah sent down a book with every messenger, because He says: "Indeed We sent down Our messengers with the clear signs, and We sent down with them the book and the balance, so that people may uphold justice" (57:25).

Books Known:

Among the books that were revealed, we know & witness still now.

I ) The Torah, which was revealed to Moses, peace be upon him. It is the greatest among the Israelites' books: "Surely, We sent down the Torah, wherein is guidance and light; by its laws the Jews have been judged by the prophets who surrendered themselves to Allah, the rabbis and the doctors of law, because they were entrusted the protection of Allah's book and were witnesses thereto" (5:44).

2) The Gospel, which Allah revealed to Jesus, peace be upon him. It is a confirmation of the Torah and a complement to it: "And we gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light and confirming the Torah before it, as a guidance and an admonition to the God-fearing" (5:46); "And to make lawful to you certain things that, before, were forbidden to you" (3:50).

3) The Psalms, which Allah gave to David, peace be upon him.

4) The Tablets of Abraham and Moses, peace be upon them.

5) The Glorious Qur'an, which was revealed to His Prophet Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets. It is "a guidance to the people and clear signs of guidance and the criterion between right and wrong" (2:185). The Qur'an Is Protected from Change:

The Qur'an is "confirming the scripture that was before it and stands as a guardian over it." Thus, by means of the Qur'an, Allah abrogated all the previous revealed books. Allah has also guaranteed its protection from any play or mischievous distortion: "Indeed, We sent down the message and We will guard it" (15:9), for the Qur'an is a proof against mankind till the Day of Judgment.

Previous Scriptures Changed:

The previous scriptures were meant for a limited period. Their use ended with the revelation of the Qur'an, which abrogated them and exposed their distortions and changes. That is why they were not protected from corruption. They underwent distortion, addition, and omission: "Some of the Jews pervert words from their meanings" (4:46); "So woe to those who write the Book with their hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' that they may sell it for a little price. So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for their earnings" (2:79); "Say, who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and a guidance to people? You put it into sheets of paper showing some of them and concealing much" (6:91); "And there is a group among them who twist their tongues with the Book, that you may think it is a part of the Book but it is not part of the Book. And they say 'It is from Allah,' yet it is not from Allah, and they tell a lie against Allah and they know it. It is not for any human being to whom Allah has given the Book, the Wisdom and the Prophet hood to say to men 'Worship me instead of Allah"' (3:79); "People of the Book! Our Messenger has come to you, making clear to you many things you have been concealing of the Book and forgiving you of much. A light has come to you from Allah and a glorious Book, with which He will guide whoever follows His pleasure in the way of peace, and brings them forth from darkness into the light by His will" (5:15-16).

If you need any evidence for earlier scriptures corrupted, I can bring forward here.but I don't want to make it so long. Quran was revealed by the same one God who revealed the earlier revelation.also earlier revelation still evidencing the one God, coming about prophet Mohammed and also as Allah(God) mentioned in Quran,it is protected from corruption. so I trust the same one GOD who revealed all the scriptures & sent the messengers in this world. if I say Quran mentioned so, some may reject it as it is a single source, but all these scriptures are witness.

the answers can be given to you many ways, but this is my way of explanation.

I don't know how you can claim this to be your explanation, when you copy pasted this from the internet. Is your understanding of your religion so poor, that you can't even explain why you follow it in your own words? You can't explain the logic you see in it in your own words? And you call me silly all the time. Is this the way a muslim explain his faith? Copy paste from the internet? Are we to assume that they can't think for themselves even when it comes to explaining their own religion?
 
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I don't know how you can claim this to be your explanation, when you copy pasted this from the internet. Is your understanding of your religion so poor, that you can't even explain why you follow it in your own words? You can't explain the logic you see in it in your own words? And you call me silly all the time. Is this the way a muslim explain his faith? Copy paste from the internet? Are we to assume that they can't think for themselves even when it comes to explaining their own religion?

My God!..what I can do for you, whatever you see, u keep on finding mistakes on me one or another. one occasion you told me copy and pasting can be done as long as it serves the purpose, now this occasion you are asking why am i copying and pasting..frankly I explained to you in my own words except some of quran versus and the 5 books known para, but it doesn't mean I am poor in my religion(don't assume something),in order to save the time, I copy&paste at times. when something is readily available why retyping is required??again silly comments from you, then how can I avoid calling u as silly.... I feel as long as i give answers to you there is no problem in copying & pasting part or full of the any answers....anyway it is up to you....
 

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My God!..what I can do for you, whatever you see, u keep on finding mistakes on me one or another. one occasion you told me copy and pasting can be done as long as it serves the purpose,

Well it did serve a purpose this time. It showed how you don't even know your own religion and that you want the internet to explain it is logical.
 
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Well it did serve a purpose this time. It showed how you don't even know your own religion and that you want the internet to explain it is logical.

Ha! ha!..so far I was under the impression that you want the explanation for God in the islamic point of view, but now only I came to know that you are checking my knowledge without internet. this is what happened to you guys.you are guessing or assuming everything....all hypothetical
 

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Ha! ha!..so far I was under the impression that you want the explanation for God in the islamic point of view,
Your point of view or Islamic point of view(Is there a difference? Are you saying that your point of view is not Islamic?), it doesn't change the fact that you can't explain either one of them. It's bloody shame if you ask me. One can't explain his own beliefs.

but now only I came to know that you are checking my knowledge without internet.
ha ha what a phrase, and yet again according to you I'm the funny one. You just couldn't explain your own beliefs without using the internet. You don't know your own religion. And you are mumbling stuff like this now.

this is what happened to you guys.you are guessing or assuming everything....all hypothetical
I don't know what you are talking about here. But still its funny.
 
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Your point of view or Islamic point of view(Is there a difference? Are you saying that your point of view is not Islamic?), it doesn't change the fact that you can't explain either one of them. It's bloody shame if you ask me. One can't explain his own beliefs.


ha ha what a phrase, and yet again according to you I'm the funny one. You just couldn't explain your own beliefs without using the internet. You don't know your own religion. And you are mumbling stuff like this now.


I don't know what you are talking about here. But still its funny.

You are behaving like childish.As I said earlier, I am going to say samething here, Don't always assume/guess something. There was no such rules prescribed that internet should not be used , u told me neither. you don't know what I am talking abt but you only understood onething that I don't know my religion right..Ok fine..Good Keep it up & add one more point to your wrong allegation against Islam & muslims... I mentioned you are really funny , now you are giving me back the same word as a retaliation. in fact it is not real...This is why God(some power above us) is needed to Judge who is really correct among us. if we give this judgement work to some one who is human, can be biased. suppose if we give this to Dilankandy,before even seeing the context he will say you are correct, if we give to siraj, he may say Im correct.that is why God is required to judge which one of us are correct, otherwise it is not fair towards human beings.