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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AncientGlory" data-source="post: 8208866" data-attributes="member: 262433">Here's the thing. you can never come to a neutral position because that will mean you are doubting allah.Are you sure?[FONT=&quot][/FONT]And answer to the question why you believe scriptures are true, is because it is written in scriptures. That's just proves what you have is blind faith.The book says book is true therefore the book is true. You see logic in that?This is all what a muslim will say. Only someone who cannot think for himself will say quaran has no mistakes, and it mentions scientific facts etc. You keep bringing this, but I haven't seen any of it. And I studied the quaran from a neutral position, something you can never do. Just when I said, a person who is covered by blind faith, will look in the quran and try to justify the flows in the world you do exactly that. Bravo.. I meant I don't see the way universe operate as a proof of a being who is up in the sky, and making it happen. If you see that as a logical explanation, that logic is beyond me.Because you are repeatedly showing how deep you are in a mud pit full of blind faith.I just don't see you have anything other than your blind faith to back your claims. You learned from a book from the day you were born and you find a way to define the world by that book. You interpret everything in the book to suit the way you wanna see it. And the only proof you have for the authenticity of the book is that book says it is true. And you don't see a flow in that logic. So there's no other explanation. It is blind faith. I wanna discuss that. That is my agenda. [FONT=&quot][/FONT]You sure does show your colors in understanding logic. You couldn't even understand my reply and you are babbling these useless rants. Here is it broken down so this time you won't miss it.(1) You wanted to say unseen(NOT seen by you) things can exist. To explain this you used Moscow. You haven't seen Moscow but you know it is there.(2) I explained that the reason for you to believe moscow is there is because even thought you haven't seen moscow you have evidence for its existence. Concrete 100%. TV,Internet and other things were just examples to show there is evidence.(3) If you'd like to give this logical thinking some go, you'll understand the logic behind my argument. which is,Unseen things can exist, but as long as we do not have concrete evidence for their existence there is no reason to believe it. And furthermore I wanted to explain that is why the comparison of Moscow to GOD(Done by you) was not suitable. Now without seeing this clear logic, you were thinking the big words in my reply were TV and Internet and Tourists and you were following those words. This is how much you are damaged by the limited thinking promoted through your book. You can't even see the simple thing that makes sense. In this case I would say I don't believe it because there is not evidence. What you failed to see was in that case you would not bring that example to strengthen your claim. Coz even you are not sure moscow is there. It is like saying I haven't seen aliens but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Such is the case of GOD. If you already didn't know moscow didn't exist, you wouldn't bring that argument.The point is with out evidence there is no reason to believe. That is not a denial. The question whether GOD exists or not remains answered. Not proven neither disproven. But however there is logic that suggests GOD concept is highly unprobable. But of course its not easy to understand for someone who is not willing to keep an open mind to see pass the faith and see this logic.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]Does that prove anything? They didn't deny the existance of Flying Spaghetti Monster either. The other thing is you can not speak of scientists in general, some of them strongly ridicule the GOD.I'm not saying your thinking is limited. I'm saying your thinking is limited with respect to the subject of GOD. You can never come out of that box, and take a walk in the neutral path. It is forbidden to you. So your thinking is limited.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]Well and you say your thinking is not limited and you come up with this. Ironically this is supposed to be an addition to my silly comments.   First of all most of those people who reverted to Islam only changed their religion. Not the concept they were born in to and taught, which is creationism. So they have limited thinking as well.Secondly what does someone else does, have to do with your ability to think for yourself? Can you deny the fact that you can never take an unbiased decision about a religious matter? You cannot think outside that box. You are not allowed.Thirdly, hundreds, thousands or millions of people can do the same thing. That does not mean they are doing the right thing neither is it a proof that since you are one of them, you are right or that you can think outside box. I'm surprised that you didn't even realize this simple logic, but then well your thinking is limited its not your fault. It's how Allah made you.  Did you just say it should not be in the book and then put out a verse from the book?? This must be a new level of common sense.Tell me where did you find this definition of GOD?</blockquote>

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