WHY WE JUST DEBATE WITH SOME ISSUES

navodwickra

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    i am not kidding u.!!then do u say it is your religion is acceptable? you dont have anything to say about abt ur religion when some one question abt ur religion then hw do u justify ur religion...

    Hey my religion is acceptable so is yours and everyone elses. I don't really see the problem here. Do you think all the people should convert into muslims? because if you do then you're mistaken and most of all you don't respect other religions. let me be clear I've had muslim firends and haven't seen anyone like you who thinks islam is the only religion and I am sorry if any has offended you by saing anythign against your religion I am truly sorry but what you're saying is madness. There is no such thing as correct religion if you try to find one it ends up in killing each other.
     

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    I am sorry to tell you, you people dont know how many scriptures u have? for instance i asked someone once your scriptures he sent me a link which has only one page and he said it is not yet translated in English as well.1st u explain about buddhism to one who want to learn,before you tell some one to follow and see.
    of course no religions can be learned by only memorizing the text.it is not only character of buddhism.

    We know exactly how much scripture we have.

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    just because it's not translated to english online doesn't mean there is something missing.
     
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    Hey my religion is acceptable so is yours and everyone elses. I don't really see the problem here. Do you think all the people should convert into muslims? because if you do then you're mistaken and most of all you don't respect other religions. let me be clear I've had muslim firends and haven't seen anyone like you who thinks islam is the only religion and I am sorry if any has offended you by saing anythign against your religion I am truly sorry but what you're saying is madness. There is no such thing as correct religion if you try to find one it ends up in killing each other.

    I never said u offended me.But what i told only ONE RELIGION ON THE FACE OF EARTH IS ACCEPTABLE BY GOD.so it is not correct to say all religions are good and same. Based on what do u say We dont respect other religions.as per Quran unless we keep faith on bible(not the current bible,but only some part) we cant to go to heaven.See we r more Christians than you if u see the people. for eg.Jesus had beard,most of us have beard u dont keep, bible say dont eat pork we dont eat, u eat. Jesus circumcised, u dont, we do.
     

    navodwickra

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    We know exactly how much scripture we have.

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    just because it's not translated to english online doesn't mean there is something missing.

    This is just a waste of time man. They won't listen to anything I guess their so called the only religion didn't teach them to repect other people and treat everyone as humans.
     
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    Mr.Navodwickra,
    What is the problem here, You are talking about respect here. Bec i aksed some Question from you it doesnt mean i insult your faith.I never abused your religion or u.this is your strategic write to undermine others indirectly.so you need to abuse me.
     
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    Mononoke,
    Thanks for your reply.But i find most of buddhist dont know this and what is contained in every book that you mentioned.please teach the Buddhist accordingly. bec as far as i know most buddhist don't know their religion but just criticize other religions. My request them to learn their religions first. at least whatever is common in all the religions let us follow first. before we talk about difference.only after we learn our own religion, we can talk about other religions.
     

    navodwickra

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    Mr.Navodwickra,
    What is the problem here, You are talking about respect here. Bec i aksed some Question from you it doesnt mean i insult your faith.I never abused your religion or u.this is your strategic write to undermine others indirectly.so you need to abuse me.

    oh no you're the one who said theres only one religion and that stands for you dont respect others.
     

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    Mononoke,
    Thanks for your reply.But i find most of buddhist dont know this and what is contained in every book that you mentioned.please teach the Buddhist accordingly. bec as far as i know most buddhist don't know their religion but just criticize other religions. My request them to learn their religions first. at least whatever is common in all the religions let us follow first. before we talk about difference.only after we learn our own religion, we can talk about other religions.

    Look, please stop spewing these empty platitudes at me. You have no measure to judge the degree to which Buddhists are familiar with our cannon. And people don't need to know about religion to know that the majority of your posts are garbage.

    P.S:You still haven't responded to the Water cycle dilemma
     

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    මං අහල තියෙන විදිහට සමහරුන්ගෙ දිව්‍යලෝකවල පොඩි කචල් එකක් තියෙනව. පිරිමි අයට සියලුම ආතල් ලැබෙන අතර දිව්‍ය ලෝකෙ යන ගෑණු උදවියට තියෙන්නෙ නිස්කලංකව ආගමික ග්‍රන්තය කියවන්නලු. ඔය කතාව තිබුණෙ අර සවුදි කුමාරිකාවක් ගැන පොත් වගයක් තියෙන්නෙ, අන්න ඒකෙ.

    බලං ගියාම එහෙම දිව්‍යලෝකෙක යනවට වඩා මේ ලෝකෙම ඉපදෙන එක සැපයි.
     
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    This is just a waste of time man. They won't listen to anything I guess their so called the only religion didn't teach them to repect other people and treat everyone as humans.

    Look, please stop spewing these empty platitudes at me. You have no measure to judge the degree to which Buddhists are familiar with our cannon. And people don't need to know about religion to know that the majority of your posts are garbage.

    P.S:You still haven't responded to the Water cycle dilemma

    Once again

    1st read what is written on this, and ask me clearly what is Question.I will try my best to answer u.

    THE FORMATION OF RAIN

    How rain was formed remained a great mystery for quite some time. Only after the weather radar was invented was it possible to discover the stages by which rain is formed.

    According to this discovery, the formation of rain takes place in three stages. First, the "raw material" of rain rises up into the air with the wind. Later, clouds are formed, and finally raindrops appear.

    The Qur'an's account of the formation of rain refers exactly to this process. In one verse, this formation is described in this way:

    It is Allah Who sends the winds which stir up clouds which He spreads about the sky however He wills. He forms them into dark clumps and you see the rain come pouring out from the middle of them. When He makes it fall on those of His servants He wills, they rejoice. (Qur'an, 30:48)

    Now, let us examine these three stages outlined in the verse in more detail.

    FIRST STAGE: "It is Allah Who sends the winds..."

    Countless air bubbles formed by the foaming of the oceans continuously burst and cause water particles to be ejected towards the sky. These particles, which are rich in salt, are then carried away by winds and rise upward in the atmosphere. These particles, which are called aerosols, function as water traps, and form cloud drops by collecting around the water vapour themselves, which rises from the seas as tiny droplets.

    SECOND STAGE: ".... which stir up clouds which He spreads about the sky however He wills. He forms them into dark clumps..."

    The clouds are formed from water vapour that condenses around the salt crystals or dust particles in the air. Because the water droplets in these clouds are very small (with a diameter between 0.01 and 0.02 mm), the clouds are suspended in the air, and spread across the sky. Thus, the sky is covered in clouds.

    THIRD STAGE: "…and you see the rain come pouring out from the middle of them"

    The water particles that surround salt crystals and dust particles thicken and form raindrops, so, drops that become heavier than the air leave the clouds and start to fall to the ground as rain.

    As already discussed, every stage in the formation of rain is related in the verses of the Qur'an. Furthermore, these stages are explained in exactly the right sequence. Just as with many other natural phenomena on the Earth, Allah gave the most correct explanation of this phenomenon, and made it known in the Qur'an centuries before it was discovered.

    In another verse, the following information is given about the formation of rain:

    Have you not seen how Allah drives along the clouds, then joins them together, then makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it? And He sends down from the sky mountain masses [of clouds] with cold hail in them, striking with it anyone He wills and averting it from anyone He wills. The brightness of His lightning almost blinds the sight. (Qur'an, 24:43)


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    The above illustration shows the water droplets being released into the air. This is the first stage in the formation of rain. After that, the water droplets in the newly formed clouds will be suspended in the air and then condense to form rain. All of these stages are related in the Qur'an.

    Scientists studying cloud types came across surprising results with regards to the formation of rain clouds. Rain clouds are formed and shaped according to definite systems and stages. The stages of formation of one kind of rain cloud, cumulonimbus, are these:

    1. STAGE, Being driven along: Clouds are carried along, that is, they are driven along, by the wind.

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    (A) Isolated small pieces of clouds (cumulonimbus clouds)
    (B) When the small clouds join together, updrafts within the larger cloud increase. As a result, the cloud is stacked up.

    2. STAGE, Joining: Then, small clouds (cumulonimbus clouds) driven along by the wind join together, forming a larger cloud.55

    3. STAGE, Stacking: When the small clouds join together, updrafts within the larger cloud increase. The updrafts near the centre of the cloud are stronger than those near the edges. These updrafts cause the cloud body to grow vertically, so the cloud is stacked up. This vertical growth causes the cloud body to stretch into cooler regions of the atmosphere, where drops of water and hail formulate and begin to grow larger and larger. When these drops of water and hail become too heavy for the updrafts to support them, they begin to fall from the cloud as rain, hail, etc.56

    We must remember that meteorologists have only recently come to know these details about cloud formation, structure and function, by using advanced equipment like planes, satellites, computers etc. It is evident that Allah has provided us information that could not have been known 1,400 years ago.
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    These updrafts cause the cloud body to grow vertically and the cloud is stacked up. This vertical growth causes the cloud body to stretch into cooler regions of the atmosphere, where drops of water and hail formulate and begin to grow larger and larger. When these drops of water and hail become too heavy for the updrafts to support them, they begin to fall from the cloud as rain, hail, etc. This scientific fact was announced in Sura Nur 43 fourteen centuries ago by Allah in this way: "... then [He] makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it…"
     

    Mononoke

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    Once again

    1st read what is written on this, and ask me clearly what is Question.I will try my best to answer u.

    THE FORMATION OF RAIN

    How rain was formed remained a great mystery for quite some time. Only after the weather radar was invented was it possible to discover the stages by which rain is formed.

    According to this discovery, the formation of rain takes place in three stages. First, the "raw material" of rain rises up into the air with the wind. Later, clouds are formed, and finally raindrops appear.

    The Qur'an's account of the formation of rain refers exactly to this process. In one verse, this formation is described in this way:

    It is Allah Who sends the winds which stir up clouds which He spreads about the sky however He wills. He forms them into dark clumps and you see the rain come pouring out from the middle of them. When He makes it fall on those of His servants He wills, they rejoice. (Qur'an, 30:48)

    Now, let us examine these three stages outlined in the verse in more detail.

    FIRST STAGE: "It is Allah Who sends the winds..."

    Countless air bubbles formed by the foaming of the oceans continuously burst and cause water particles to be ejected towards the sky. These particles, which are rich in salt, are then carried away by winds and rise upward in the atmosphere. These particles, which are called aerosols, function as water traps, and form cloud drops by collecting around the water vapour themselves, which rises from the seas as tiny droplets.

    SECOND STAGE: ".... which stir up clouds which He spreads about the sky however He wills. He forms them into dark clumps..."

    The clouds are formed from water vapour that condenses around the salt crystals or dust particles in the air. Because the water droplets in these clouds are very small (with a diameter between 0.01 and 0.02 mm), the clouds are suspended in the air, and spread across the sky. Thus, the sky is covered in clouds.

    THIRD STAGE: "…and you see the rain come pouring out from the middle of them"

    The water particles that surround salt crystals and dust particles thicken and form raindrops, so, drops that become heavier than the air leave the clouds and start to fall to the ground as rain.

    As already discussed, every stage in the formation of rain is related in the verses of the Qur'an. Furthermore, these stages are explained in exactly the right sequence. Just as with many other natural phenomena on the Earth, Allah gave the most correct explanation of this phenomenon, and made it known in the Qur'an centuries before it was discovered.

    In another verse, the following information is given about the formation of rain:

    Have you not seen how Allah drives along the clouds, then joins them together, then makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it? And He sends down from the sky mountain masses [of clouds] with cold hail in them, striking with it anyone He wills and averting it from anyone He wills. The brightness of His lightning almost blinds the sight. (Qur'an, 24:43)


    okyanus.jpg

    The above illustration shows the water droplets being released into the air. This is the first stage in the formation of rain. After that, the water droplets in the newly formed clouds will be suspended in the air and then condense to form rain. All of these stages are related in the Qur'an.

    Scientists studying cloud types came across surprising results with regards to the formation of rain clouds. Rain clouds are formed and shaped according to definite systems and stages. The stages of formation of one kind of rain cloud, cumulonimbus, are these:

    1. STAGE, Being driven along: Clouds are carried along, that is, they are driven along, by the wind.

    bulutlar.jpg


    (A) Isolated small pieces of clouds (cumulonimbus clouds)
    (B) When the small clouds join together, updrafts within the larger cloud increase. As a result, the cloud is stacked up.

    2. STAGE, Joining: Then, small clouds (cumulonimbus clouds) driven along by the wind join together, forming a larger cloud.55

    3. STAGE, Stacking: When the small clouds join together, updrafts within the larger cloud increase. The updrafts near the centre of the cloud are stronger than those near the edges. These updrafts cause the cloud body to grow vertically, so the cloud is stacked up. This vertical growth causes the cloud body to stretch into cooler regions of the atmosphere, where drops of water and hail formulate and begin to grow larger and larger. When these drops of water and hail become too heavy for the updrafts to support them, they begin to fall from the cloud as rain, hail, etc.56

    We must remember that meteorologists have only recently come to know these details about cloud formation, structure and function, by using advanced equipment like planes, satellites, computers etc. It is evident that Allah has provided us information that could not have been known 1,400 years ago.
    bulutkumesi.jpg


    These updrafts cause the cloud body to grow vertically and the cloud is stacked up. This vertical growth causes the cloud body to stretch into cooler regions of the atmosphere, where drops of water and hail formulate and begin to grow larger and larger. When these drops of water and hail become too heavy for the updrafts to support them, they begin to fall from the cloud as rain, hail, etc. This scientific fact was announced in Sura Nur 43 fourteen centuries ago by Allah in this way: "... then [He] makes them into a stack, and then you see the rain come out of it…"

    All that from this:

    It is Allah Who sends the winds which stir up clouds which He spreads about the sky however He wills. He forms them into dark clumps and you see the rain come pouring out from the middle of them. When He makes it fall on those of His servants He wills, they rejoice. (Qur'an, 30:48)

    And your science is wrong as well read my initial post post. Where is the answer about salty rain
     
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    All that from this:



    And your science is wrong as well read my initial post post. Where is the answer about salty rain

    First of all I dont understand your Question.And i dont see any problem if you see in the context.once again for your reading in the context.

    Most of us are familiar with the water cycle from our classes in middle school, where we learned how a drop of seawater evaporates, then becomes a drop of rainwater, and then finally returns to the sea via rivers or underground channels. The first person in modern times to understand this process was Bernard Palissy who described it correctly in 1580 [10]. Prior to him, most of the ancient Greek and Roman scholars had various incomplete or incorrect theories on the water cycle (Plato, for example, believed that precipitation eventually descended into the abyss called Tartarus and from there it fed into the oceans [10]).

    The Qur'an does not give a complete description of the water cycle from start to end, however there are a few precise references to specific stages. Perhaps the most fascinating of these references are the following two verses on rain clouds:

    [30:48] It is Allah Who sends the winds, and then they raise clouds: then He spreads them in the sky as He wills and makes them dark, then you see the drops issue from the midst of them...

    [24:43] Don't you see how Allah drives clouds with force, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap? - then you see the drops issue from the midst of them. And He sends down from the sky mountains (of clouds) wherein is hail: He strikes therewith whom He pleases and He turns it away from whom He pleases. The flash of His lightning well-nigh snatches away the sight.

    The two verses are describing the stages in the formation of rain clouds, which is in turn a stage in the water cycle. A close examination of these two verses suggests that they make reference to two different phenomena, one of "spreading" the clouds and the other of "joining" them together, two different processes by which rain clouds might be formed.

    Modern meteorology has come to this very conclusion within the last two centuries. [17,18,19]

    There are two types of clouds which can yield precipitation, and they are classified by their shape: stratus (layer-type) and cumulus (heap- type). The precipitative layer clouds are further subdivided into stratus and nimbostratus (nimbo meaning rain). The first verse above on rain clouds ([30:48]) precisely sums up the formation of layer rain clouds. It is known today that these types of clouds are started under conditions of gradual, rising winds:

    "...and then they [winds] raise clouds..." [30:48]

    Next, the cloud takes on its distinctive shape, that of a layer:

    "...then He spreads them..." [30:48]

    If the conditions are right (i.e. low enough temperature, high enough humidity, etc.), the cloud droplets further condense into (larger) rain droplets, and we observe this effect from the ground as a darkening of the cloud layer:
    "...and makes them dark..." [30:48]

    Finally, drops of rain fall from the cloud.

    "...then you see the drops issue from the midst of them..." [30:48]

    The second type of precipitative cloud is the heap type, and it is subdivided into cumulus, cumulonimbus, and stratocumulus. These clouds are characterized by being puffy-shaped and piled upon each other. Cumulus and cumulonimbus are the true heap clouds - stratocumulus is a form of degenerated, spread-out cumulus [18]. The second verse above on rain clouds ([24:43]) describes the formation of heap rain clouds. These clouds are formed under conditions of strong updrafts (thermals) and downdrafts of air:

    "...drives clouds with force..." [24:43]

    As the puffs of clouds form, they may unite into a single giant cloud, all piled up on top of one another:

    "...then joins them together, then makes them into a heap..." [24:43]

    At this point, either a cumulus or a cumulonimbus cloud has formed - either of which can yield rain. The rest of the verse is applicable to the case of a cumulonimbus (which is familiar to all of us as the towering thunderstorm cloud). If the heap cloud assumes large vertical proportions, then it can appear to the observer on the ground as a huge mountain or hill, but more importantly, by extending high into the atmosphere, the upper cloud droplets can freeze and thereby yield hail [17, 18]:

    "...And He sends down from the sky mountains (of clouds) wherein is hail..." [24:43]

    Finally, cumulonimbus clouds (i.e. thunderstorms) can have one last vivid property: lightning [17, 18]:

    "...The flash of His lightning well-nigh snatches away the sight..." [24:43]

    Other Qur'anic verses deal with more stages in the water cycle.

    [23:18] And We send down water from the sky according to (due) measure, then We cause it soak into the soil. And We are most certainly able to withdraw it.

    This is a single verse stating that rainfall is absorbed into the ground and that it can eventually be removed (drained).

    [13:17] He sends down water from the sky, and the rivers flow, each according to its measure...

    [39:21] Don't you see that Allah sends down rain from the sky, and leads it through the springs in the earth?...

    Two methods by which absorbed rainfall is moved are described here: surface and underground rivers.

    There are other references in the Qur'an to the water cycle (e.g. [40:13], [23:18], [25:48], [29:63], and others) , and all of them have the same property as the verses quoted above: modern scientific findings are fully compatible with them [10].

    A few other verses also deal with water but in a slightly different context. They are not nearly as numerous as the verses on the water cycle.

    [56:68-69] Do you see the water which you drink? Do you bring it down from the cloud or do We?

    This rhetorical question emphasizes our inability to fulfill one of our oldest dreams: to control the rain. The fact is we cannot make it rain unless a pre-existing cloud is in the vicinity - and then only under the proper conditions, and even then we are not assured of success. The cloud should have different sized cloud particles, a high rate of condensation from the rising air, and good vertical development. If all of these characteristics are present, then we MAY coax some more rain out through cloud seeding and various other techniques. However, modern meteorologists are unsure of its effectiveness.

    Regardless, it is the presence of the necessary preconditions which we have no control over, and this ultimately stops us from arbitrarily bringing down the water of any cloud in the form of rain [10].

    The following verse describes a property of large rivers.

    [25:53] It is He who has caused to mix freely the two great bodies of water, this one pleasant-tasting and sweet and this one salty and bitter, and He made between them a barrier and a forbidding ban.

    A description of the estuaries of large rivers is supplied by the verse above. These estuaries are relatively unusual because the outgoing fresh water of the river does not immediately mix with the salt water of the sea into which the river empties. Instead, the fresh water penetrates deep into the salt water body before any mixing occurs, far from the mouth of the river. Small rivers do not have this property. [10]

    Finally, one more reference to clouds.

    [52:44] And were they to see a piece of the sky falling down, they would (only) say "Heaps of clouds!"

    Another reference to clouds but this time in the context of responding to a challenge by an earlier peoples who ridiculed a prophet by asking him to cause a piece of the sky to fall on them, apparently thinking it to be a solid cap around the earth. Allah refutes their challenge here, declaring that they would only find a pile of clouds, something all of us would understand today. [10]