First get rid of the log from your own eye

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First get rid of the log from your own eye

Mat 7:1 "Stop judging others, and you will not be judged.

Mat 7:2 For others will treat you as you treat them.[fn1] Whatever measure you use in judging others, it will be used to measure how you are judged.

Mat 7:3 And why worry about a speck in your friend's eye[fn2] when you have a log in your own?

Mat 7:4 How can you think of saying, `Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,' when you can't see past the log in your own eye?

Mat 7:5 Hypocrite! First get rid of the log from your own eye; then perhaps you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend's eye.

මා හිතාදර මුස්ලිම් මිතුරනි, මේ ඕබේ අවදානය පිනිසයි! මේ අපි සහ අනිකුත් මුස්ලිම් නොවන ඉතිහාසය පිලිබද අසල දැනුමක් තියෙන විද්වතුන්ගෙ මතයයි . වඩාත වැදගත් වන්නේ මේ වුන්ගෙම ග්‍රන්තවලින් උපුටා ගැනිමක් වන බැවිනි පුලුවන් නම් අපිටත් මේ පිලිබදව කියා දෙන්න


The tragic events of September 11, 2001 have focused the eyes of all the earth on the darker side of the world of Islam.

The varied Muslim reactions to this attack, from dancing in the streets, to disgust and embarrassment, have shown how fractured the Muslim world today is. A common question is: "Is Islam really a religion of peace?" and Muslim answers, in word and deed, seem very contradictory. Perhaps this article will show about the original that Mohammed taught and practiced


Origins of Islam

To have a real understanding of Islam’s origin, one needs to know the environment of pre-Islamic Arabia, Mohammed the man, and Islam’s early history. Archaeology, the Qur’an, and the Hadiths have much to say, of which many people might be unaware.




Mecca Before Mohammed


Ever wonder what Mecca was like before Mohammed was born? It must have been a fascinating place, for it was a trading center, a melting pot of different cultures. Traders were there of many different religions. The Quraysh tribe there worshipped Hubal, Al-ilah, and Al-ilah’s three daughters. A black rock from heaven was held in high esteem and placed in a corner of the Ka’bah. The Ka’bah was the center of worship of 360 idols according to the Bukhari vol.3 book 43 ch.33 no.658 p.396 and vol.5 book 59 ch.47 no.583 p.406. The Encyclopedia of Islam (edited by Eliade) p.303ff says the people, prior to Islam, would pray five times toward Mecca and fast for part of a day for an entire month. The Quraysh fasted on the 10th of Myharram/Muharram. Mohammed ordered this too, but later it was optional (Bukhari vol.5 book 58 ch.25 no.172 p.109), also Bukhari vol.6 book 60 ch.24 no.31 p.25.


Pre-Islamic Arabs made pilgrimages (‘Umrah) to Mecca. Fiqh us-Sunnah vol.5 p.122, and Bukhari vol.2 book 26 ch.33 no.635 p.371-372 say they thought not performing ‘Umrah was one of the major sins on earth. At Mecca they covered the Ka’bah with cloth Fiqh vol.5 p.131, and they had a sacred month of no war prior to Islam (Bukhari vol.2 book 23 ch.96 no.482 p.273).




The Origin of the word "Allah"


Generically, the word "Allah" likely was a contraction of the Arabic Al-ilah, which means "the god". Both Arab Christians and pagans used the word Ilah for God. Even Arabic and Indonesian Bibles today use the word "Allah" for God. In past times, the similar Mideastern word el, meant "god" either true or false, in Ugaritic, Canaanite, and Hebrew. Prior to Mohammed, the Ka’bah, which housed 360 idols, was called Beit-Allah, or "House of Allah". Mohammed’s father, who died before he was born, was named ‘Abdullah meaning slave of Allah. Also, a tribe of Jews was called ‘Abdullah bin Salam in Bukhari vol.5 book 59 ch.13 no.362 p.241.


Specifically, among the idols worshipped at Mecca, one was just called "Allah". This particular idol was the tribal god of the Quraysh, and he had three specific daughters. Compared to four of the five pillars of Islam, the Meccans before Mohammed fasted on the same day, gave alms to their own, prayed toward Mecca, and made pilgrimages (‘Umrah) to Mecca. There were many differences too, but some marvel in the continuity of these unchanged practices in common with the pagan Quraysh worship.


As the following section will show, just as the specific Greek idol Zeus likely came from the generic word for God (theos), a similar thing happened with pre-Islamic Arabs.




Worshippers of Allah


Many primitive people worshipped a sun god and a moon goddess. Western Arabs were unusual in worshipping a moon god and his wife, the sun goddess. There are pre-Islamic statues of his symbol: the crescent moon. It looks just like the crescent moon of Shi’ite Muslims, except the Shi’ites added a small star. The Yemenites/Sabaeans had a moon god according to the Encyclopedia of Islam p.303. The Quraysh may have gotten this idol from them.


Allah had three daughters named Lat, ‘Uzza, and Manat. At one time the "prophet of Allah" compromised and said in the Qur’an (Sura 53:19) that "their intercession was to be hoped for." In other words, he said we should hope for the help of these three idols.


Mohammed’s followers must have been amazed that he said this. Later, Mohammed changed his mind and said Satan deceived him. Since a mistake was made, these verses were "abrogated" or taken out. These are often called "the Satanic verses." It is interesting to read how Allah could have what are called "abrogated verses" in Suras 13:39; 16:101; vol.2:106. Sura 41:37 mentions with disapproval sun and moon worshippers.


In summary, Mecca in Mohammed’s time was a very cosmopolitan town. Sabaeans, and Mohammed’s tribe, the Quraysh worshipped a moon idol, named Al-ilah or Allah, and his three daughters. The Qur’an says not to worship idols, yet Muslim scholars admit Mohammed originally put in verses saying the intercession of the Allah’s daughters was to be hoped for.


Mohammed the Husband


Sura 4:3 says men may have at most four wives, though Sura 33:50 has an exception for Mohammed. According to Muslim scholar Ali Dashti, below are Mohammed’s wives and concubines.

1. Khadija b. Khuwailid (died 1st) 13. Asma of Saba

2. Sawda/Sauda bint Zam’a 14. Zaynab of Khozayma

3. ‘Aisha/’A’isha/Aesha (8-9 yrs old) 15. Habla

4. Omm/Umm Salama/Salaim 16. Asma of Noman

5. Hafsa ¾ slaves / concubines ¾

6. Zaynab/Zainab bint Jahsh 17. Mary the Christian

7. Jowayriya / Juwairiya (captive) 18. Rayhana

8. Omm/Umm Habiba ¾ uncertain relationship

9. Safiya/Saffiya b. Huyai (captive) 19. Omm Sharik

10. Maymuna/Maimuna of Hareth 20. Maimuna

11. Fatima/Fatema (briefly) 21. Zaynab/Zainab 3rd

12. Hend/Hind (widow) 22. Khawla

Mohammed married Safiya after slaughtering her husband and the men of the Banu Quraiza tribe (Bukhari vol.2 book 14 ch.5 no.68 p.35, Bukhari vol.4 book 52 ch.74 no.143 p.92, and Bukhari vol.4 book 52 ch.168 after no.280 p.175-176.).


There has been a flap in Saudi Arabia, because foreign women who went there as housekeepers were forcibly used as sex slaves. You cannot accuse the Saudi men who do this of hypocrisy though. According to their religious tradition, it is morally acceptable to force female slaves to have sex. See Bukhari vol.3 book 34 ch.111 no.432 p.237; vol.3 bk 34 ch.113 after no.436 p.239-240; vol.5 bk 59 ch.31 no.459 p.317; vol.8 book 76 ch.3 no.600 p.391; Sahih Muslim vol.2 bk 8 ch.560 no.3571 p.732-733.


The London Economist (6 Jan 1990) reported that Muslims in the Sudan are enslaving women and children of the Dinka tribe. The May 4, 1992 special ed. of Newsweek on slavery also reported that Muslims are still enslaving blacks as did the Austin American Statesman on 2/2/1996. Reader’s Digest 3/1996 p.77-81 "Slavery’s Shameful Return to Africa" is a heart-wrenching account of oppression.


Mohammed the Prosperous


Mohammed preyed upon caravans with his men. Bukhari vol.3 book 37 ch.8 no.495 p.280 says, "When Allah made the prophet wealthy through conquests..." 1/5 of all spoils of war was put into treasury, and Sahih Muslim vol.2 book 5 ch.401 no.2348 p.519 says Mohammed’s family had a share out of that. The Muslims first looting is known as the Nakhla Raid. During the traditional month of truce, his followers ambushed a caravan, killing one, enslaving the rest, and taking the plunder. Mohammed himself led the second raid at Badr. Mohammed added to his wealth by attacking the Jewish settlement of Khaibar. He and his loyal men got plunder and wives (Mohammed needed another wife?) of the 700-1,000 Jewish men of the Banu Quraiza tribe they beheaded after they surrendered.


Mohammed the Sinner


While the Bible says Jesus was sinless, here is what the Qur’an and Bukhari Hadith say about Mohammed. In Sura 40:55 and 48:1-2 Allah tells Mohammed to ask forgiveness for his sin (or frailty.) Now people do not need forgiveness for physical frailties, but for moral ones. Sahih Muslim vol.1 book 4 ch.268 no.1695 p.373 says Mohammed prayed, "I wronged myself and make a confession of my sin. Forgive all my sins,…" Bukhari vol.1 book 2 ch.13 no.19 p.23, vol.1.12.57 no.781 p.434; vol.6 .60.3 no.3 p.4; vol.8.75.3 no.319 p.213, and vol.8.75.62 prior to no.407 p.271 prior also mention Mohammed’s sins. Specific things mentioned in the Bukhari vol.1.4.70 no.234 p.147-148; Bukhari vol.8.82.1 no.794,795 p.520 are amputating people’s arms and legs, burning out their eyes, and making them thirst as they died after their limbs were cut off. See Bukhari vol.8.82.3 no.796, ch.4 p.797; Bukhari vol.6 ch.150 prior to no.198 p.158-159, as well as Fiqh us-Sunnah vol.1 p.133.


You would probably agree these are serious sins. Since Mohammed did this, he needed forgiveness very badly. A curious question is: "exactly who pays the price for your sin?" Jesus said He paid the ransom for our sins. Islam does not teach that anyone paid the price. How is your sin paid for, or does Allah just wink at some sins and not others?


Some might think wickedness does not matter as long as a person calls himself a Muslim. Muslims in this century kill Christians and massacre entire villages in Sudan, Nigeria, and Indonesia. When so-called Christians murdered Muslims, people could point out they were acting against the character of Christ. When Muslims kill Christians, who worship the True God, I never heard anyone say they are acting against the character of Mohammed.


Pardon me for being so blunt, but Muslims killing worshippers of God ought to stop. When Muslims justify this killing because their prophet did this too, then people wonder about their prophet, their Allah who abrogates his word, and the origins of Islam.


Consider the Sinless Prophet


In contrast to Mohammed, there is One who

· claimed to be God’s prophet,

· fulfilled hundreds of prophecies and implications,

· never forgiven, because He had no sin to forgive

· never murdered, nor threatened a traveler’s life,

· high moral standards (never allowed forcible sex),

· promised to pay the penalty for your sin,

· suffered and died for you, and

· has no tomb, for He rose from the dead.

This man is Jesus Christ. Christians do not say about Jesus: "may God’s peace be upon Him", Jesus is the Prince of Peace; God’s peace is already on Him. Rather, my hope is that you will find out how to have Christ’s peace and love live in your heart.
 
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Liars another propaganda, wasting time for answering this useless here as already this guy wasted lot of our times for nothing..still I want to touch one point here. I'm going to touch in "Allah" word.

The images below, with the exception of the first image, were taken directly from The Holy Bible in Arabic. Referred to in Arabic as al-Kitâb al-Muqadis (i.e. ,The Holy Book), this is the scripture which is used by Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20 million in the Middle East). So that those unfamiliar with Arabic script have something to compare these images with, the first image below is a verse from the Qur'ân - which is the Muslim scripture. In the images, the Arabic word Allah is underlined in red so that it can be easily identified. Upon comparing the images, one should be able to clearly see that the word Allah appears in both the Qur'ânic and Arabic Bible images. Indeed, the word Allah appears throughout Arabic translations of the Bible, since it is simply the Arabic name for Almighty God. Insha'llah, the examples below will help quell the doubts of those who have been duped into believing that Muslims worship a different god - either by the hostile media or by Christian missionary propaganda. We hope that this serves as enough documentation for those who still have doubts about this. We could think of no other way to prove this point, except to encourage everyone to do further critical and open-minded research on their own. Please, don't forget to compare the images . . .

[Qu'ran 1:1 - English translation]
"In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful."

[Qur'ân 1:1 - Arabic transliteration]

"Bismi-Allahi ar-Rahmani, ar-Raheem"

[Qur'ân 1:1 - Arabic]

bismilla.gif



[Genesis 1:1 - English Bible - King James Version]
"In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth . . . "

[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic transliteration]

"Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . "

[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic Bible]

ABIB-01.GIF



[John 3:16 - English Bible - King James Version]
"For God so loved the world, that . . . "

[John 3:16 - Arabic transliteration]

"Li-annhu haakadha ahabba Allahu al-'Aalama hataa badhala . . . "

[John 3:16 - Arabic Bible]

ABIB-02.GIF


[Luke 1:30 - English Bible - King James Version]
" . . . Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with God."

[Luke 1:30 - Arabic transliteration]

" . . . Laa takhaafee, yaa Maryam, li-annaki qad wajadti ni'amat(an) i'nda Allahi."

[Luke 1:30 - Arabic Bible]



[Luke 3:38 - English Bible - New King James Version]
"the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God."

[Luke 3:38 - Arabic transliteration]

"bini Anoosha, bini Sheeti, bini Aaadama, abni Allahi."

[Luke 3:38 - Arabic Bible]



abib-04.gif
 

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Liars another propaganda, wasting time for answering this useless here as already this guy wasted lot of our times for nothing..still I want to touch one point here. I'm going to touch in "Allah" word.

I have a question and I'm looking for a "Yes" or a "No".

Do you agree that muslims in some countries danced in the street and used various other methods to show that they are quite thrilled about what happend in 9/11 incident?
 

Y2K

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Liars another propaganda, wasting time for answering this useless here as already this guy wasted lot of our times for nothing..still I want to touch one point here. I'm going to touch in "Allah" word.

The images below, with the exception of the first image, were taken directly from The Holy Bible in Arabic. Referred to in Arabic as al-Kitâb al-Muqadis (i.e. ,The Holy Book), this is the scripture which is used by Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20 million in the Middle East). So that those unfamiliar with Arabic script have something to compare these images with, the first image below is a verse from the Qur'ân - which is the Muslim scripture. In the images, the Arabic word Allah is underlined in red so that it can be easily identified. Upon comparing the images, one should be able to clearly see that the word Allah appears in both the Qur'ânic and Arabic Bible images. Indeed, the word Allah appears throughout Arabic translations of the Bible, since it is simply the Arabic name for Almighty God. Insha'llah, the examples below will help quell the doubts of those who have been duped into believing that Muslims worship a different god - either by the hostile media or by Christian missionary propaganda. We hope that this serves as enough documentation for those who still have doubts about this. We could think of no other way to prove this point, except to encourage everyone to do further critical and open-minded research on their own. Please, don't forget to compare the images . . .

[Qu'ran 1:1 - English translation]
"In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful."

[Qur'ân 1:1 - Arabic transliteration]

"Bismi-Allahi ar-Rahmani, ar-Raheem"

[Qur'ân 1:1 - Arabic]

bismilla.gif



[Genesis 1:1 - English Bible - King James Version]
"In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth . . . "

[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic transliteration]

"Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . "

[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic Bible]

ABIB-01.GIF



[John 3:16 - English Bible - King James Version]
"For God so loved the world, that . . . "

[John 3:16 - Arabic transliteration]

"Li-annhu haakadha ahabba Allahu al-'Aalama hataa badhala . . . "

[John 3:16 - Arabic Bible]

ABIB-02.GIF


[Luke 1:30 - English Bible - King James Version]
" . . . Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with God."

[Luke 1:30 - Arabic transliteration]

" . . . Laa takhaafee, yaa Maryam, li-annaki qad wajadti ni'amat(an) i'nda Allahi."

[Luke 1:30 - Arabic Bible]



[Luke 3:38 - English Bible - New King James Version]
"the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God."

[Luke 3:38 - Arabic transliteration]

"bini Anoosha, bini Sheeti, bini Aaadama, abni Allahi."

[Luke 3:38 - Arabic Bible]



abib-04.gif

කරුනා කරලා මුලින්ම මේ අභියොගය බාර ගන්න අපේ බයිබලයෙන් ඕයට පිලිසරනක් නෑ එක නිසා කරුනා කරලා ඕයාගේ කුරානයෙන් සහ අනිකුත් ග්‍රන්තවලින් මේ තර්ක් බිදින්න තව ගොඩාක් දෙවල් තියෙනවා නිරාකරනය කරගන්න
 

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I have a question and I'm looking for a "Yes" or a "No".

Do you agree that muslims in some countries danced in the street and used various other methods to show that they are quite thrilled about what happend in 9/11 incident?

අහලා වැඩක් නැ මච්න් දැක්කෙ නැ කියයි.... Inside Job කියයි

මම ඇස් දෙකෙන් දැක්කා මිනිස්සු විදිවල නටනවා


කැතම වැඩේ කියන්නෙ බිලි එහෙම කපන කොට, වෙඩි තියාන කොට "අල්ලා හුක්බර්" කියලා කියනව නේ මේ අන්තවාදි මුස්ලිම් ජ්නතාව්......

මම සියලුම අය ගෙන ඉල්ලා සිටිටවා මේ කට යුතු ප්‍රසිද්දියෙ හෙලා දකින්න, වැලක්වා ගැනිමට පියවර ගන්න .... අඩුම තරමේ තම අල්ලාගෙ නම නොකියන්නවත් කියන්න මේ පහත් වැඩවලට

ඇත්ත අද අපිට ඕප්පු වෙලා ඉවරයි !
:yes:
 
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I have a question and I'm looking for a "Yes" or a "No".

Do you agree that muslims in some countries danced in the street and used various other methods to show that they are quite thrilled about what happend in 9/11 incident?

You looked for one word answer right..My answer is

YES
 
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කරුනා කරලා මුලින්ම මේ අභියොගය බාර ගන්න අපේ බයිබලයෙන් ඕයට පිලිසරනක් නෑ එක නිසා කරුනා කරලා ඕයාගේ කුරානයෙන් සහ අනිකුත් ග්‍රන්තවලින් මේ තර්ක් බිදින්න තව ගොඩාක් දෙවල් තියෙනවා නිරාකරනය කරගන්න

Boss can u answer me in english, sinhala font is not installed in my PC..
 

Y2K

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Liars another propaganda, wasting time for answering this useless here as already this guy wasted lot of our times for nothing..still I want to touch one point here. I'm going to touch in "Allah" word.

The images below, with the exception of the first image, were taken directly from The Holy Bible in Arabic. Referred to in Arabic as al-Kitâb al-Muqadis (i.e. ,The Holy Book), this is the scripture which is used by Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20 million in the Middle East). So that those unfamiliar with Arabic script have something to compare these images with, the first image below is a verse from the Qur'ân - which is the Muslim scripture. In the images, the Arabic word Allah is underlined in red so that it can be easily identified. Upon comparing the images, one should be able to clearly see that the word Allah appears in both the Qur'ânic and Arabic Bible images. Indeed, the word Allah appears throughout Arabic translations of the Bible, since it is simply the Arabic name for Almighty God. Insha'llah, the examples below will help quell the doubts of those who have been duped into believing that Muslims worship a different god - either by the hostile media or by Christian missionary propaganda. We hope that this serves as enough documentation for those who still have doubts about this. We could think of no other way to prove this point, except to encourage everyone to do further critical and open-minded research on their own. Please, don't forget to compare the images . . .

[Qu'ran 1:1 - English translation]
"In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful."

[Qur'ân 1:1 - Arabic transliteration]

"Bismi-Allahi ar-Rahmani, ar-Raheem"

[Qur'ân 1:1 - Arabic]

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[Genesis 1:1 - English Bible - King James Version]
"In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth . . . "

[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic transliteration]

"Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . "

[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic Bible]

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[John 3:16 - English Bible - King James Version]
"For God so loved the world, that . . . "

[John 3:16 - Arabic transliteration]

"Li-annhu haakadha ahabba Allahu al-'Aalama hataa badhala . . . "

[John 3:16 - Arabic Bible]

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[Luke 1:30 - English Bible - King James Version]
" . . . Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with God."

[Luke 1:30 - Arabic transliteration]

" . . . Laa takhaafee, yaa Maryam, li-annaki qad wajadti ni'amat(an) i'nda Allahi."

[Luke 1:30 - Arabic Bible]



[Luke 3:38 - English Bible - New King James Version]
"the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God."

[Luke 3:38 - Arabic transliteration]

"bini Anoosha, bini Sheeti, bini Aaadama, abni Allahi."

[Luke 3:38 - Arabic Bible]



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අසරන I Love you Sri Lanka (it should be muslim nt Sri lanka) ..... මේ ක්‍රයාවෙන්ම ඕබෙ අනුවන කම සහ අසරන කම මනාව පැහැදිලි වෙනවා කිසියම් බයිබල් වකයක් ඕබට වාසිසහගත් නම් එක වෙනස් නොවු කොටසක් ඕබ තුමාට , අනෙක් කොටස් වෙනස් වෙලා සහ සමහර දෙවල් දැකලා නැ.... ලජ්ජයි බන් ඇත්තට ම ඕය කුරානයෙන් පිලිසරනක් ඇත්තෙම නැද්ද? බය වෙන්න එපා මොහොමඩ් තුමාට වැර දිලා මුලින් කිව්වා අල්ලාගේ දියනියන් 3 දෙනෙක් ගැන, ඕයාලා ඕච්චර නැ කිව්වත් අද මක්කම වන්දනාව කියන්නෙ අර කලු කල වන්දනාවටයි පොඩ්ඩක් අන්තගාමී නොවි ඉතිහසය දන්න ආරාබි කෙනෙකුගෙන් හරි කමක් නැ අහගන්න

පුලුවන් නම් මෙක බොරු කියලා ඔප්පු කරන්න
 
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You will never touch these point being a extreme muslim I respect your view of this

Good being extreme muslim who follow and practice islam unlike christians, who don't even know what is their bible say. you can't even bring answers to some basic question such as where does Jesus say u to worship or where does trinity word exist in whole bible....I'm sorry boss Christians are not logical enough to debate....so no use of discussing you further
 
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Thanks. So as you can see there is a problem within Muslim society, that need to be solved. I'm not talking about you or quran. I'm talking about those Muslims.

So I think first you need to point finger to them, before pointing finger to anyone else. Cheers.

I'm sorry what we are discussing here is about scriptures, we are here to discuss or debate what the scriptures says...in all communities there are black sheeps, as a whole there are not representing their religions...rather only Quran represent muslim, bible represent Christians and so on....do u say other communities don't have problem
 

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Good being extreme muslim who follow and practice islam unlike christians, who don't even know what is their bible say. you can't even bring answers to some basic question such as where does Jesus say u to worship or where does trinity word exist in whole bible....I'm sorry boss Christians are not logical enough to debate....so no use of discussing you further

is this how you practice islam ?

 

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Good being extreme muslim who follow and practice islam unlike christians, who don't even know what is their bible say. you can't even bring answers to some basic question such as where does Jesus say u to worship or where does trinity word exist in whole bible....I'm sorry boss Christians are not logical enough to debate....so no use of discussing you further


OK if I show you ...... in the bible "Don't b'live in him bt at least stop insulting OK wht do you say
 

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I'm sorry what we are discussing here is about scriptures, we are here to discuss or debate what the scriptures says...in all communities there are black sheeps, as a whole there are not representing their religions...rather only Quran represent muslim, bible represent Christians and so on....do u say other communities don't have problem

Yeah there are blacksheep in every society bt what if ur preachers becoming a one of them ? (that is the different! )

 
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OK if I show you ...... in the bible "Don't b'live in him bt at least stop insulting OK wht do you say

Im very happy when u said you will show me coz my long unanswered question going to be answered.

please answer with your bible quote

01- Where does jesus say Im God worship me...

02- where is the word trinity exist in the whole bible
 

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I'm sorry what we are discussing here is about scriptures, we are here to discuss or debate what the scriptures says...in all communities there are black sheeps, as a whole there are not representing their religions...rather only Quran represent muslim, bible represent Christians and so on....do u say other communities don't have problem

very cunning fellow, ok we will start a new thread for that ok :frown:
 

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I'm sorry what we are discussing here is about scriptures, we are here to discuss or debate what the scriptures says...in all communities there are black sheeps, as a whole there are not representing their religions...rather only Quran represent muslim, bible represent Christians and so on....do u say other communities don't have problem

I'm sorry what we are discussing here is about scriptures, we are here to discuss or debate what the scriptures says...in all communities there are black sheeps, as a whole there are not representing their religions...rather only Quran represent muslim, bible represent Christians and so on....do u say other communities don't have problem

I thought the topic is "first get rid of the log from your own eyes". I didn't know you were discussing scriptures.

Anyways, I agree that each community has black sheeps, and each community(Including muslim) has murderers, thieves, rapists etc. Let's just put all those bad people aside because that is common to society.

But as a whole in which society would you see average people get in the street and praise their lord or religion, when some innocent people were killed by a terrorist attack somewhere? Where will you see the moral values of an average person in the society degraded to such level? You will not see such behavior anywhere else other than within a Muslim society.

I agree with you 100% that they do not represent the religion. But the problem is that they believe they do. They believe they are following the Quran.

Sense of good and bad is built in to a society. A human being has a sense in what is good and what is bad. But that basic sense is challenged in a muslim society and that is a threat to humanity. Poeple like you who know this is wrong should challenge them. If you do not stand against the black sheep in your herd, it's gonna destroy everyone.

 

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I thought the topic is "first get rid of the log from your own eyes". I didn't know you were discussing scriptures.

Anyways, I agree that each community has black sheeps, and each community(Including muslim) has murderers, thieves, rapists etc. Let's just put all those bad people aside because that is common to society.

But as a whole in which society would you see average people get in the street and praise their lord or religion, when some innocent people were killed by a terrorist attack somewhere? Where will you see the moral values of an average person in the society degraded to such level? You will not see such behavior anywhere else other than within a Muslim society.

I agree with you 100% that they do not represent the religion. But the problem is that they believe they do. They believe they are following the Quran.

Sense of good and bad is built in to a society. A human being has a sense in what is good and what is bad. But that basic sense is challenged in a muslim society and that is a threat to humanity. Poeple like you who know this is wrong should challenge them. If you do not stand against the black sheep in your herd, it's gonna destroy everyone.


මචන් අපෙ රට කොච්ච්‍ර හොදයි ද කියාල හිතෙනව මෙහෙ මිනිස්සු කරන වැඩ දැක්කම අද මම බය නැතිව කියනවා ලොකයෙ ඉන්න නපුරුම මිනිස්සු ඉන්නෙ අරාබි රට වල කියලා , මම හිතන්නෙ හැමොම දන්නවා නේ අපේ දුප්ප්ත් කන්තාවන්ට වන අතවර ගැන නමුත් හොදට හොයාල බැලුවම තෙරෙනවා මේ මනුස්ස කම එයාලගෙ ආගමෙන් උගන්වලා නැත්බව ආසියාවේ මිනිස්සුන්ට පුස් පට් ඕක්කොම දානවා නමුත් සුද්දට නම් කඩෙ වුනත් යයි අනෙ ඒඅතින් ලන්කාව කොච්චර හොදයිද සමන්යක් විදිහට ගත් කල එකට හෙතුව මොකක්ද අපෙ බෞදදකම කියලයි මම හිතන්නෙ මොකද පොඩිකාලෙ ඉදලා අපිට ඉවසිම උගන්වනවා අනිකාට ගරුකරන්න කියලා උගන්වනවා මේ අරාබි මුස්ලිම් ජනතා බහුතරයකටම ඉවසිම කියලා නාමයක් නැ ඇවිත් බලන්න පුලුවන්නම්

හොදට ඉගනගත්ත විශෙසයෙන් පිටරට ගිය ආරාබි අය තමයි පොඩ්ඩක් හරි වැදගත් අනික් අය බහුතරය හරිම වසයි, ඉවසිමක් ඇත්තෙම නැ