No matter how many idiot & racist monks commit suicide i would eat meat.

[Hettiarachi]

hettiarachchi and sirajitc, can you answer my previous question please. I think allah has made a big mistake ha. thats why you morons cant answer this question.


Originally Posted by SahanJ123
Why is it so important that God must have the foreskin removed? Couldn't the Almighty make humans without the foreskin? Instead He puts us through all this terrible pain as a newborn infant welcoming us to the world with some torture.. What the fucks wrong with this fucking GOD?

The Holy Qur'an does not impose an obligation on parents to circumcise their children, but the prophet Mohammed is reported to have stated that "Circumcision is a sunnah (customary or traditional) for the men. Most references to male circumcision occur in the examples and traditions of the Prophet (peace be upon him). Therefore the scholars strongly recommend circumcision for male.

From this point of view, traditionally, adult male converts to Islam are encouraged to undergo the operation.

Furthermore, besides submission to the Will of God, male circumcision is an important ritual aimed at improving cleanliness. Therefore, in Arabic, circumcision is also known as tahara, meaning purification or cleanliness.

Islam strongly emphasises cleanliness and purification both spiritual and physical. The mental and spiritual purification cleanses the heart while the social and physical purification cleanses the body as in circumcision. It also indicate that circumcised males are regarded as more pure (clean).

Although circumcision is not one of the Five Pillars of the Faith, which consist of: the profession of faith, daily prayer, fasting at Ramadan, giving money to the poor (charity), and the pilgrimage to Mecca. However, this ritual is an act of purification and connects the person to the Prophet Ibraheem (peace be upon him) and his religion, Islam.

A Hadith related by Bukhari reads: "The practices related to Fitrah (the nature) are five: circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, trimming the moustache, cutting the nails and removing the hair of the armpits."

 

[SahanJ123]

Good answer and it proves that islam is not a global religion and its rules and customes are mostly applicable for era of 6th century arab but not the entire world. Muslims blindly believing what ever promotes by quran and its other religious books without taking it to mindful consideration.

But my previous argument still valid. cos quran says allah perfectly made the human. So my argument is, either allah made a big mistake or muslims going against allahs will by removing foreskin.

The Holy Qur'an does not impose an obligation on parents to circumcise their children, but the prophet Mohammed is reported to have stated that "Circumcision is a sunnah (customary or traditional) for the men. Most references to male circumcision occur in the examples and traditions of the Prophet (peace be upon him). Therefore the scholars strongly recommend circumcision for male.

From this point of view, traditionally, adult male converts to Islam are encouraged to undergo the operation.

Furthermore, besides submission to the Will of God, male circumcision is an important ritual aimed at improving cleanliness. Therefore, in Arabic, circumcision is also known as tahara, meaning purification or cleanliness.

Islam strongly emphasises cleanliness and purification both spiritual and physical. The mental and spiritual purification cleanses the heart while the social and physical purification cleanses the body as in circumcision. It also indicate that circumcised males are regarded as more pure (clean).

Although circumcision is not one of the Five Pillars of the Faith, which consist of: the profession of faith, daily prayer, fasting at Ramadan, giving money to the poor (charity), and the pilgrimage to Mecca. However, this ritual is an act of purification and connects the person to the Prophet Ibraheem (peace be upon him) and his religion, Islam.

A Hadith related by Bukhari reads: "The practices related to Fitrah (the nature) are five: circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, trimming the moustache, cutting the nails and removing the hair of the armpits."

 

[Hettiarachi]

Good answer and it proves that islam is not a global religion and its rules and customes are mostly applicable for era of 6th century arab but not the entire world. Muslims blindly believing what ever promotes by quran and its other religious books without taking it to mindful consideration.

But my previous argument still valid. cos quran says allah perfectly made the human. So my argument is, either allah made a big mistake or muslims going against allahs will by removing foreskin.

I got your Point, you want to prove Islam is not applicable for the current period. could you please elaborate further in order to prove your allegation, I said you in my reply Quran never mentioned about Circumcision, it was followed by all the prophets in order to be clean. this in fact,brings numerous health benefits.

If I accept with u for sake of argument that Allah had made mistake with regard to circumcision while created us. even I have to find wrong with allah for the following points as well.- Why we were not created with beard if we want so,could have born without hair in armpit, pubic hair and with fixed nails, fixed hair.
you have to understand here, This was done by all prophets just to keep them clean as they clean other parts and recommended by prophet mohammed for muslims to follow this. in case if some one will have dangerous health issue with circumcision there is no issue in not doing the same. some one can't say to be a good muslim you should have been circumcised.

 

[SahanJ123]

I can give you hundreds, thousands of examples to prove islam is not the religion for tomorrow. (i think i dont have to repeat whats been said thousand times before, you simply google "errors in quran" or something similar and see it your self).
Actually Islam is not a religion, but a cult. It’s extremely important to note that one of the main things separating a true religion from a cult is that NO true religion instructs its followers to kill in God's name, but many a cult instructs its followers to kill in the name of their leader.

And there is a big difference in things you say and what we see in the real world.

I got your Point, you want to prove Islam is not applicable for the current period. could you please elaborate further in order to prove your allegation, I said you in my reply Quran never mentioned about Circumcision, it was followed by all the prophets in order to be clean. this in fact,brings numerous health benefits.

If I accept with u for sake of argument that Allah had made mistake with regard to circumcision while created us. even I have to find wrong with allah for the following points as well.- Why we were not created with beard if we want so,could have born without hair in armpit, pubic hair and with fixed nails, fixed hair.
you have to understand here, This was done by all prophets just to keep them clean as they clean other parts and recommended by prophet mohammed for muslims to follow this. in case if some one will have dangerous health issue with circumcision there is no issue in not doing the same. some one can't say to be a good muslim you should have been circumcised.

 

[Hettiarachi]

I can give you hundreds, thousands of examples to prove islam is not the religion for tomorrow. (i think i dont have to repeat whats been said thousand times before, you simply google "errors in quran" or something similar and see it your self).
Actually Islam is not a religion, but a cult. It’s extremely important to note that one of the main things separating a true religion from a cult is that NO true religion instructs its followers to kill in God's name, but many a cult instructs its followers to kill in the name of their leader.

And there is a big difference in things you say and what we see in the real world.

Brother, It is good that u asked me to Google to see the errors in quran, as I don't need to reply u again and again. of course there is no one who accepted the truth after replies are given.People who come here to EK just to allege and abuse the islam. So that, It is appreciated you saved time of yours and mine.
With regard to thousands of errors in quran when you google it, yes of course I don't deny that, I think islam is the only religion against which most of the criticism/books are written in the present time. that doesn't prove some thing to be a bad one, to see whether all of them are true or not, some one has to approach the quran and see with the open mind.it is in fact, all of them are wrong allegations or its about followers as this materialistic world don't want the religion islam to grow itself as they won't have fun of the worldly things.also one of the reason why people want to be atheist too as most of the religion say good things which people don't want to follow.of course all of the criticism against quran are answered in islamic websites, unfortunately same critics failed to google and see this replies.whatever they have in mind is what media propagate against islam, what muslim do and anti islamic website.
I agree unfortunately most of the muslims are not behaving according to what quran say, this has eased people like you to hate and talk against Islam. I bet you never bother to check what Quran say in context or read thru some islamic websites to find what is right.
Thanks..

 

[SahanJ123]

As you say there are so may materials written against islam. But why??? Its because quran it self is promoting violence. you said all the misunderstandings in quran already answered for better. But when you see the behavior of muslims all around the world??? i guess its not answered properly..!

Instead of peace, all the spiritual leaders, mullaas, imaams etc etc promote hatred, violence, war, and killings...
Example: A UK soldier brutally killed by a good quran follower, But I have never seen any single statement from a muslim leader against that butcher.

Thats why I say theres a big difference in what you say and whats in practice.

Brother, It is good that u asked me to Google to see the errors in quran, as I don't need to reply u again and again. of course there is no one who accepted the truth after replies are given.People who come here to EK just to allege and abuse the islam. So that, It is appreciated you saved time of yours and mine.
With regard to thousands of errors in quran when you google it, yes of course I don't deny that, I think islam is the only religion against which most of the criticism/books are written in the present time. that doesn't prove some thing to be a bad one, to see whether all of them are true or not, some one has to approach the quran and see with the open mind.it is in fact, all of them are wrong allegations or its about followers as this materialistic world don't want the religion islam to grow itself as they won't have fun of the worldly things.also one of the reason why people want to be atheist too as most of the religion say good things which people don't want to follow.of course all of the criticism against quran are answered in islamic websites, unfortunately same critics failed to google and see this replies.whatever they have in mind is what media propagate against islam, what muslim do and anti islamic website.
I agree unfortunately most of the muslims are not behaving according to what quran say, this has eased people like you to hate and talk against Islam. I bet you never bother to check what Quran say in context or read thru some islamic websites to find what is right.
Thanks..

 

[ibnanv]

Circumcision is the best way to prevent AIDS. Muslims , JEWS and some Christians do Circumcision. Approximately 55% to 65% of all newborn boys are circumcised in the United States each year.

http://kidshealth.org/parent/system/surgical/circumcision.html

http://healthland.time.com/2013/04/17/why-circumcision-lowers-risk-of-hiv/

 

[ibnanv]

Who should you learn religion from? Do you learn religion form Buddhist Prostitutes or from Buddhist Monks. Obviously from Monks. Same way you have to learn the Religion from Muslim Imams. You cannot learn the religion from Buddhist or Muslim or Cristian or Hindu Criminals. Nor you could learn the religion from Racist.

 

[SahanJ123]

Why go through such a pain (Circumcision) when you can easily avoid AIDS by not going to prostitutes. And on the other hand, now a days Condoms are easily available and economical.
By Circumcision, you'll endup having rough, senseless penis. We have a foreskin to protect that sensitive area but by removing it you are losing a great fun of having a foreskin when it comes to sex.

There maybe health benefits in it but Circumcision is not the way to prevent AIDS. Even if you are Circumcised, it doesn't give you any guarantee that you dont catch up Aids if you fuck someone who has it.

If you cant pull your foreskin back, YES...! you should undergo Circumcision. but others, just pull it back, wash it with soap and water, its that easy but there maybe a different story in 6th century Arab cos they didnt have water. like most of the customs in islam, even the dress,..... are for 6th century arab. So islam is a not the religion for today or tomorrow. And you still wanna follow it.

Circumcision is the best way to prevent AIDS. Muslims , JEWS and some Christians do Circumcision. Approximately 55% to 65% of all newborn boys are circumcised in the United States each year.

http://kidshealth.org/parent/system/surgical/circumcision.html

http://healthland.time.com/2013/04/17/why-circumcision-lowers-risk-of-hiv/

 

[ibnanv]

This world is a trial for mankind. Pork is forbidden same as Lion, Tiger, Donkey, etc. If you are a true practicing Cristian you should not eat pork. In the book of Leviticus, chapter 11, v. 7, it is recorded that God declares the pig to be unclean for believers. Then, in verse 8, God says: “You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.” This command is repeated in Deuteronomy 14:7-8. Then, in Isaiah 65:2-4, and 66:17, God issues a stern warning against those who eat pork.
Even circumcision is in the bible.
http://www.openbible.info/topics/circumcision