බාලිසිකොපම සූත්‍රය

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    මානස සූත්‍රය

    (භාග්‍යවතුන් වහන්සේ මෙසේ වදාළසේක“ඇදගන්නාවූ රූප, ශබ්ද, ගන්‍ධ, රස හා කය හැපෙන දේ යන පස්කම් කෙනෙක් වෙද්ද, එහි ඇල්ම පහව ගියේය. මාරය තෝ නැසුනෙහිය.”

    There are attractive rupas, shabdas, etc...

    ONCE the clinging is done, mara you are dead...

    does he say he did something to rupas? rupa dead?

    he clearly says; ONCE clinging is dead Mara is dead..
    Mara is dead is not the issue,you said rupa is not an issue ,here buddha says mara is the rupa then.

    Pancha upadanaskanda mara. Adagannawu means upadanaskanda not attractive
     

    ek_rosh

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    Mara is dead is not the issue,you said rupa is not an issue ,here buddha says mara is the rupa then.

    Pancha upadanaskanda mara. Adagannawu means upadanaskanda not attractive

    if rupa were mara... mara wont be dead by stopped cligging according to the sutta
     

    Yeezus

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    when there is rupa, rupa is arising
    රූප is the state of "arising" - පඨවි ආපෝ තේජෝ වායෝ manifesting as a "thing" - it's deceiving lay people and create තණ්හා - උපාදාන - ඇලීම් ගැටීම්.

    රූප කියන්නේ රුප්පන ස්වාභාවය කෙටි කරලා පාලි වලින්.
     

    Emios

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    if rupa were mara... mara wont be dead by stopped cligging according to the sutta
    Ai ban maraya budunamruwo meet wenna enne mokenda baluwe nedda. Rupa mataraye sadda mataraye maraya inne.rupaya maraya newe nan mokenda buduhamrwuo meet wenna awe oka kiyanna
     

    ek_rosh

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    Rupa mataraye sadda mataraye maraya inne.rupaya maraya newe nan mokenda buduhamrwuo meet wenna awe oka kiyanna

    Agree, mara is in Rupa marthraye... Rupa is his landing zone.. it doesnt say rupa itself is Mara\

    if rupa itself is mara..according to Manasa sutta...rupas/shabdas should be dead after arihat

    after arihat, rupa/shada are not dead...but wont be a landing zone for mara so mara is dead not rupas
     

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    යාලුවනේ අපේ ආගමට අපේ අයම පහර ගහනවා ඒ අතරේ @Jihadi john වගේ අන්තවාදීන් කරන දේවල් ඉවසන් ඉන්න බෑ. ඕකුන්ව හදන්න බෑ.
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    ek_rosh

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    which enitity are you referring to as maraya?i don't get it,who lives in the land of rupaya.what kind of a thing it is

    Mara is just metaphorical personification of samsara IMO

    rupa - maras bait
    vedana - time the fish notice the bait
    keles - maras army/weapon (klesha mara sena)
    tanha - pulling the hook
    upadana - fish caught
    bhava - dragged in to Maras net/container (samsara)

    dont go after words one by one..this is an example..get the idea..
     

    Emios

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    Mara is just metaphorical personification of samsara IMO

    rupa - bait
    vedana - time the fish notice the bait
    keles - hook
    tanha - pulling the hook
    upadana - fish caught
    bhava - dragged in to Maras net/container (samsara)

    dont go after words one by one..this is an example..get the idea..
    itin ubamane damme sutre :oo: pancha upadanskanda mara. Maragen galawenna updana rupenma hamebenne nethi wenna one.
    Rupe issue ekak ne kivvama eke teruma mokadda.
     

    ek_rosh

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    itin ubamane damme sutre :oo: pancha upadanskanda mara. Maragen galawenna updana rupenma hamebenne nethi wenna one.
    Rupe issue ekak ne kivvama eke teruma mokadda.

    upadana rupa - maras bait... can be called as mara... no issues there

    maras hook, container...any of those can be called mara...
     

    Emios

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    upadana rupa - maras bait... can be called as mara... no issues there
    Itin rupaya maraya ve kivvama fight kare :oo: rupayak tibila ekata alune ne kiyana eka wagene ekrosh kivve.rupenma hambenne nethi ekai marayagen gelawima
     

    ek_rosh

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    Itin rupaya maraya ve kivvama fight kare :oo: rupayak tibila ekata alune ne kiyana eka wagene ekrosh kivve.rupenma hambenne nethi ekai marayagen gelawima

    rupaya itself is not mara.. mara is using rupaya as the bait to catch the fish.. so nothing wrong calling the bait/rupa as mara...but it is not mara
     

    Emios

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    rupaya itself is not mara.. mara is using rupaya as the bait to catch the fish.. so nothing wrong calling the bait/rupa as mara...but it is not mara
    I think You are reffering klesha mara right?im taking about the upadanaskada mara,rupam ko mara radho.rupaya itself considered to be maraya.rupen hambenne nethi ekai marayagen gelawima.
     

    ek_rosh

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    I think You are reffering klesha mara right?im taking about the upadanaskada mara,rupam ko mara radho.rupaya itself considered to be maraya.rupen hambenne nethi ekai marayagen gelawima.

    klesha - maras weapon/hook
    rupa - maras bait

    same mara we are talking about
     

    Emios

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    klesha - maras weapon/hook
    rupa - maras bait

    same mara we are talking about
    I don’t agree with your interpretation .but it’s ok.i see it differently.i cannot separate updana rupaya as not maraya itself.but lets peace at that
     
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    ek_rosh

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    I don’t agree with your interpretation .but it’s ok.i see it differently.i cannot separate updana rupaya as not maraya itself.but lets peace at that

    no need to agree with my interpretation. check if it agrees with buddas manas sutta

    ඇදගන්නාවූ රූප, ශබ්ද, ගන්‍ධ, රස හා කය හැපෙන දේ යන පස්කම් කෙනෙක් වෙද්ද, එහි ඇල්ම පහව ගියේය. මාරය තෝ නැසුනෙහිය.”

    Im not saying..but he is saying your mara dies with the enlightnement
     

    Emios

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    no need to agree with my interpretation. check if it agrees with buddas manas sutta

    ඇදගන්නාවූ රූප, ශබ්ද, ගන්‍ධ, රස හා කය හැපෙන දේ යන පස්කම් කෙනෙක් වෙද්ද, එහි ඇල්ම පහව ගියේය. මාරය තෝ නැසුනෙහිය.”

    Im not saying..but he is saying your mara dies with the enlightnement
    Yeah this is regarding manas i guess referring to raga klesha mara,not upadanaskanda mara.rupayak hambenawanan issue ekak tiyenawa neda.bait ekak hambenawanan.rupeynma hambenne nethi wenne nane. Attactive rupa means updanaskands here not like getting attracted to exisiting rupa.its my view.
     

    ek_rosh

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    Yeah this is regarding manas i guess referring to raga klesha mara,not upadanaskanda mara.rupayak hambenawanan issue ekak tiyenawa neda.bait ekak hambenawanan.rupeynma hambenne nethi wenne nane. Attactive rupa means updanaskands here not like getting attracted to exisiting rupa.its my view.

    wts the issue of the bait, if you dont bite?