Gay and Lesbians.

Are Gay and Lesbians breking Seela according to Kamesu michchachara.

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 66.7%
  • No

    Votes: 14 33.3%

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hay what do mean by the phrase "wrong way"
u mean the way of sex position.....lolz....
the definition for wrong way........is to be clarified.....
btw :
if you have sex at will with anyone even if you are unmarried.....?I dont see any sin..........:oo::oo:

hehe. yeh! if you do it in the wrong way, you will get a physical pain or something like that. and also it will be a little bit hard to complete successfully compared to the correct position. :D :D :D :D

what i meant as "wrong way" is the forbidden or no-recommended way according to your believes or definition. and I'm not going to define it here as there are many religions and teachings among us, people are having various concepts about this section. :)



It is totally ok if you and your spouse or anyone does not like mentally suffer afterwards you do it--gays,lesbos,bies,straights anything
If noone is screwed :P no karma so nothing happens
but in real world it is not like that the social structure is fixed in a way that people will suffer mentally if someone does that so its the same for gays,bies, straights
that's theres to it as i think


yeh! that could be true! have heard of married couples doing group sex as well! hehehehe! its up to the individual! if all are ok, they are good to go. nothing matters, and also anyone can have any concepts regarding having sex. its their freedom.

but controlling sexual activities could help an individual to gain something extra, or to manage their life in a proper way, etc. thats my vision.
 
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no one gets hurt at sex?????? unless harmfully raped........
ppl enjoy having it..........and they are willing to do it over and over again for pleasure........

:lol: What I meant by hurt is not exactly physical pain.. :P. You misunderstood.. Getting hurt as in finding out that your spouse is cheating on you, getting raped, or harassed etc.. both mental (and physical when applicable).
 
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Homosexuality can't be fulfilling.

Original Question:
The questioner says: I have a lover...and I have an eating disorder.
Osho asks: The lover is a man?
The questioner answers: Yes.​

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Osho:
... that won’t help much. Your Montreal is almost all homosexual, the whole city. That won’t help much, that cannot become the real thing, because both the energies are the same. It cannot give you a deep fulfillment -- at the most it remains masturbatory. A woman is needed. It is as if you are trying to be reborn from a man. I think sooner or later in Montreal people will try that -- to be finished with women completely.

But you are born out of a woman, and deep inside the unconscious you carry an image of a woman, not a man. And unless you find a woman with whom you can be in the same deep love as you were with your mother, into whom you can again enter as you were in the womb of your mother, you will not be fulfilled. You are deceived -- homosexuality will not help. It can give you a certain comfort -- but it is false.

To fit perfectly a man needs a woman, a woman needs a man. They are polar opposites, and that polarity is needed. It is just as if you are trying to create electricity without polar opposites, without positive and negative.

Sex is a deep function of bio-electricity. You are an electrical phenomenon, a woman is an electrical phenomenon. She is negative, you are positive; she is passive, you are active. When the active energy meets with the passive energy in deep communion, there is a fulfillment, there is orgasm. A cosmic experience happens which leaves no emptiness in you, at least for the time being.

But your making love to a man, or a woman making love to a woman, is not going to help.
I am not against homosexuality: I am simply stating a fact.
I have no condemnation for it, but it will not be fulfilling --
that much I have to say
-Osho

Read more
http://www.phys.uni-sofia.bg/~viktor/wisdom/osho/homosexuality.html
 
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    hehe. yeh! if you do it in the wrong way, you will get a physical pain or something like that. and also it will be a little bit hard to complete successfully compared to the correct position. :D :D :D :D

    what i meant as "wrong way" is the forbidden or no-recommended way according to your believes or definition. and I'm not going to define it here as there are many religions and teachings among us, people are having various concepts about this section. :)






    yeh! that could be true! have heard of married couples doing group sex as well! hehehehe! its up to the individual! if all are ok, they are good to go. nothing matters, and also anyone can have any concepts regarding having sex. its their freedom.

    but controlling sexual activities could help an individual to gain something extra, or to manage their life in a proper way, etc. thats my vision.

    of course its forbidden b4 marraige in any race......what if your mom and dad find out that u slept with ur gf last night.......theyll kill you....so....we are doing something wrong..........same applies for masturbation and watching porn......
    they are forbidden stuff..........
     

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    My interpretation of the third precept (AKA Kāmesu micchācāra) is to refrain from harmful sexual acts. For me these mean sexual harassment, extramarital sex and rape. I don’t see anything wrong with consensual sex between two adults even from the same sex. There is nothing wrong with that.



    I completely disagree.. Their sexual orientation, or how or what they do doesn't matter .. If both parties consent, then what is the problem ? OK, maybe it is against the so called "accepted social norms" but there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. So how can it be a sin ? Just because you and I don't like it doesn't make it wrong. Try to see the bigger picture...

    Therefore I say NO.

    Definition of "Kamesu Micchachara is" forcefully trying to have sex, Raping, Prostitution ryte ? :)

    anyway what i forget to mention here was if a girl force another girl to have lesbian acts with her then that's thats consider as "kamesumicha chara " ryte ? correct me if im wrong here too
     

    deegopower

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    Definition of "Kamesu Micchachara is" forcefully trying to have sex, Raping, Prostitution ryte ? :)

    anyway what i forget to mention here was if a girl force another girl to have lesbian acts with her then that's thats consider as "kamesumicha chara " ryte ? correct me if im wrong here too

    well weve been trying to clarify it all along this thread mate but no solid answer..we may really need a learned priest in here to clarify the matter........
     

    cuteoz

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    sorry athula but these are stupid questions.. Gay and Lesbians are not the only people prone to the aids virus so practising sex with female and male too can be prone to aids..
     

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    Lesbian is a term most widely used in the English language to describe sexual and romantic desire between females.[1] The word may be used as a noun, to refer to women who identify themselves or who are characterized by others as having the primary attribute of female homosexuality, or as an adjective, to describe characteristics of an object or activity related to female same-sex desire.[2]

    Lesbian as a concept, used to differentiate women with a shared sexual orientation, is a 20th-century construct. Although female homosexuality has appeared in many cultures throughout time, not until recently has lesbian described a group of people. In the late 19th century, sexologists published their observations on same-sex desire and behavior, and designated lesbians in Western culture as a distinct entity. As a result, women who became aware of their new medical status formed underground subcultures in Europe and North America. Further broadening of the term occurred in the 1970s with the influence of second wave feminism. Historians since have re-examined relationships between women in history, and have questioned what qualifies a woman or a relationship as lesbian. The result of such discussion has introduced three components to identifying lesbians: sexual behavior, sexual desire, or sexual identity.

    Women's sexuality throughout history has largely been constructed by men, who have limited acknowledgment of lesbianism either as a possibility or a valid expression of sexuality due to the absence of males in a lesbian relationship. Early sexologists based their characterization of lesbians on their beliefs that women who challenged their strictly prescribed gender roles were mentally ill. Since then, many lesbians have often reacted to their designation as immoral outcasts by constructing a subculture based on gender role rebellion. Lesbianism has sometimes been in vogue throughout history, which affects how lesbians are viewed by others as well as how they view themselves. Some women who engage in homosexual behavior may reject the lesbian identity entirely, refusing to identify themselves as lesbian or bisexual.

    The different ways lesbians have been portrayed in the media suggests that Western society at large has been simultaneously intrigued and threatened by women who challenge feminine gender roles, and fascinated and appalled with women who are romantically involved with other women. Women who adopt the lesbian identity, however, share experiences that form an outlook similar to ethnic identity: as homosexuals, they are unified by the discrimination and potential rejection they face from their families, friends, and others. As women, they face concerns separate from men. Lesbians may encounter distinct health concerns. Political conditions and social attitudes also continue to affect the formation of lesbian relationships and families.
     

    prasadana2

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    The term gay was originally used, until well into the mid-20th century, primarily to refer to feelings of being "carefree", "happy", or "bright and showy"; it had also come to acquire some connotations of "immorality" as early as 1637.[1]

    The term later began to be used in reference to homosexuality, in particular, from the early 20th century, a usage that may have dated prior to the 19th century.[1] In modern English, gay has come to be used as an adjective, and occasionally as a noun, that refers to the people, practices, and culture associated with homosexuality. By the end of the 20th century the word gay was recommended by major style guides to describe people attracted to members of the same sex.[2][3] At about the same time, a new, pejorative use became prevalent in some parts of the world. In the UK, U.S., and Australia, this connotation, among younger generations of speakers, has a derisive meaning equivalent to rubbish or stupid (as in "That's so gay."). In this use the word does not mean "homosexual", so that it can be used, for example, of an inanimate object or abstract concept of which one disapproves, but the extent to which it still retains connotations of homosexuality has been debated. [4][5]