AS per Ancient Glory:QURAN has NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF & IT HAS ERRORS

[I love Srilanka]

Dear Ancientglory,

I started a new thread for your allegation, Please prove Quran hasn't got scientific truth and has full of errors.

for your reference I have below pasted your quote and my answer.

your claim-
I haven't seen any scientific truths in quran. And I have seen errors. And I have not seen them successfully refuted. But you see it differently. Let's leave it to that since all this is off topic. Also I don't see why I should prove GOD does not exist. I do not care whether he exists or not. I think it is you who should prove his existence since it is your claim not mine.

my answer-
neither it is my claim that God doesn't exist..Quite ridiculous that you haven't seen any scientific truth in quran. even a normal non muslim who reject the islam maximum who will say at least 1 or 2 scientific truths are in Quran. You are saying Zero. how dare you are. can you prove me? or shall i tell you one scientific proof( you said zero truth) and prove you are a liar. I will not tolerate any more until you prove No science truth in Quran and errors in Quran.I will immediately start a new TOPIC, we will discuss that 1st.

 

[කිඹුලා බනිස්]

Quran and embryology! Error Number 1

Please Watch carefully. If are not a Science student, or a person not familliar with embryology just keep silent.
It is not my problem those who have claims about science are not actually familiar with science!

Quaran

Sura 23:12-14 (Pickthal) "Verily We created man from a product of wet earth, then placed him as a drop of seed in a safe lodging, then We fashioned the drop a clot ('alaqa), and of the clot ('alaqa) We fashioned a lump, and of the lump We fashioned bones, AND We clothed the bones (with) meat. Then We produced it as another creation."



Science (Modern Embryology)
Are the bones formed first in an embryo, then clothe or cover with Flesh??? Where in scientific term is the word "Clothe" or Cover ever happen? Any stage of embryonic development, for Flesh to cover over the bones? When one clothe with jacket, it is covered over the body. Imagine a bone cover with flesh is totally NOT scientifically TRUE. Greek doctors have made this theory before Islam.

Based on this book "Animal Models of Human Related Calcium Metabolic Disorders" Page 13 which says both bones and muscles are formed in stages from Week 6 to Week 11 and not all bones formed first at the same time and then clothe with muscles.

The simple fact is that heart muscle beats normally by 6th week from post-ovulation while first bone mandible was formed only by the 7th week; ribs bones by the 8th week and vertebral bones by the 11th week. So there is no stage where all bones are completely formed, then clothe with the Flesh.

According to Asher Ornoy, author of the book Animal Models of Human Related Calcium Metabolic Disorders Page 13, by the 5th week after fertilization, there is indication of the future cartilage in the human embryo. By that time the mesenchymal cells in the regions, where cartilaginous models of bones are to form, enlarge and differentiate into a compact zone of precartilage that assume the shape of future of cartilage.

The appearance of primary ossification in different bones of a human feotus was studied by several investigators. A comprehensive summary is given by O'Rahilly and Gardner, who studied 36 human embryos at the age of 6-8 post-ovulatory weeks.

The clavicle and mandible were the first bones to ossify, the initial centers appearing in the 7th week; then the maxilla began to ossify.

The long bones of the limbs, started to ossify during the 8th week; first the humerus, and then the radius, femur, tibia, and ulna.
Source: http://books.google.com.my/books?id=4...


Conclusion: There is no stage where all bones are formed and then clothe with Flesh. Quran is in serious error!!!

 

[කිඹුලා බනිස්]

Muscles are formed by
dermomyotome

, which appears much earlier than calcification of bones. if you dont know what
dermomyotome

or calcification is, just shut up.

If you want to argue on science, first go and learn science!

 

[I love Srilanka]

Please Watch carefully. If are not a Science student, or a person not familliar with embryology just keep silent.
It is not my problem those who have claims about science are not actually familiar with science!

Quaran

Sura 23:12-14 (Pickthal) "Verily We created man from a product of wet earth, then placed him as a drop of seed in a safe lodging, then We fashioned the drop a clot ('alaqa), and of the clot ('alaqa) We fashioned a lump, and of the lump We fashioned bones, AND We clothed the bones (with) meat. Then We produced it as another creation."



Science (Modern Embryology)
Are the bones formed first in an embryo, then clothe or cover with Flesh??? Where in scientific term is the word "Clothe" or Cover ever happen? Any stage of embryonic development, for Flesh to cover over the bones? When one clothe with jacket, it is covered over the body. Imagine a bone cover with flesh is totally NOT scientifically TRUE. Greek doctors have made this theory before Islam.

Based on this book "Animal Models of Human Related Calcium Metabolic Disorders" Page 13 which says both bones and muscles are formed in stages from Week 6 to Week 11 and not all bones formed first at the same time and then clothe with muscles.

The simple fact is that heart muscle beats normally by 6th week from post-ovulation while first bone mandible was formed only by the 7th week; ribs bones by the 8th week and vertebral bones by the 11th week. So there is no stage where all bones are completely formed, then clothe with the Flesh.

According to Asher Ornoy, author of the book Animal Models of Human Related Calcium Metabolic Disorders Page 13, by the 5th week after fertilization, there is indication of the future cartilage in the human embryo. By that time the mesenchymal cells in the regions, where cartilaginous models of bones are to form, enlarge and differentiate into a compact zone of precartilage that assume the shape of future of cartilage.

The appearance of primary ossification in different bones of a human feotus was studied by several investigators. A comprehensive summary is given by O'Rahilly and Gardner, who studied 36 human embryos at the age of 6-8 post-ovulatory weeks.

The clavicle and mandible were the first bones to ossify, the initial centers appearing in the 7th week; then the maxilla began to ossify.

The long bones of the limbs, started to ossify during the 8th week; first the humerus, and then the radius, femur, tibia, and ulna.
Source: http://books.google.com.my/books?id=4...


Conclusion: There is no stage where all bones are formed and then clothe with Flesh. Quran is in serious error!!!

Hello buddy, you thought you are very smart but unfortunately you were foolish.video that you posted is the debate between Dr.William Campbell VS Dr.Zakir Naik, in the same event itself Dr.Zakir Naik Proved that Dr.William was wrong with regard to the this particular allegation and many other allegation. if you could have searched for full video, you would have easily understood that you were wrong. you are such a fool that you just picked up an allegation spoken by Dr.William Campbell and posted without going in to more details. you are introducing yourself such a well learned science person but shame on you that you don't have a simple knowledge.

see the reply(in below link) that was given by Dr.Zakir Naik in 2nd part of 4, from 28th minutes to 42nd minutes for this particular allegation.

http://www.ilovezakirnaik.com/videos/quran_bible_and_science_naik_and_campbell.htm

also for your information, watch this full video.coz this will be helpful for you to not to waste the time in quoting the scientific allegations which was already answered by Dr.Zakir in this video to Dr.william Chambpell who had no answers at last. you may bring allegations which are not in that video.otherwise we have ready made answers in that video itself. so google for something else if you need any help i can provide you some anti islamist website who misquote the verses and propagate as though quran is full of errors..buddy Im challenging you, you cant bring any, you will fail surely.

 

[කිඹුලා බනිස්]

One idiot failed, and bluffing gibberish. he is talking No science , probably he doesnt know, or learned science, and garbage reply is what we get as usual.

Any more responses??
Dermomyotomes are formed before Bones! No one can disprove that. That means Quran is lying about Human embryology!

Or May I move in to number 2?

 

[I love Srilanka]

One idiot failed, and bluffing gibberish. he is talking No science , probably he doesnt know, or learned science, and garbage reply is what we get as usual.

Any more responses??
Dermomyotomes are formed before Bones! No one can disprove that. That means Quran is lying about Human embryology!

Or May I move in to number 2?

When someone reply, you call him as idiot, bluffer and Garbage reply. Please note that all replies that were given in front of Dr.William Champbell who had no clue to refute the replies. response is already given to you in the video. if you want take it.otherwise leave it.Quran never lies on anything. it is you people malign the Quran to be so.

 

[කිඹුලා බනිස්]

When someone reply, you call him as idiot, bluffer and Garbage reply. Please note that all replies that were given in front of Dr.William Champbell who had no clue to refute the replies. response is already given to you in the video. if you want take it.otherwise leave it.Quran never lies on anything. it is you people malign the Quran to be so.

Hey Punk, If some one can prove Quran is right on this issue it means the complete failure of

1. Molecular embryology
2. Cellular signalling
3. signal transduction and intra cellular signalling
4. biology

yet every Academic Institution teach this stuff (NOT QUran) to most Bio-medical professionals and students.

If you dont know science, Just keep quiet. Its a great service to mankind, islam and science. Problem is "nobodies" like you who even does not understand basics of biology publicly state gibberish that you dont even understand. Thats stupidity!

 

[AncientGlory]

Dear Ancientglory,

I started a new thread for your allegation, Please prove Quran hasn't got scientific truth and has full of errors.

Thanks. So please come up with the so called scientific proofs in quran. Its your claim that quaran has all these scientific truths. So bring them forward. This will be interesting.

Or lets start with this simple one. How long did it take to create earth and heavens(Universe??)??

 

[AncientGlory]

Please Watch carefully. If are not a Science student, or a person not familliar with embryology just keep silent.
It is not my problem those who have claims about science are not actually familiar with science!

Quaran

Sura 23:12-14 (Pickthal) "Verily We created man from a product of wet earth, then placed him as a drop of seed in a safe lodging, then We fashioned the drop a clot ('alaqa), and of the clot ('alaqa) We fashioned a lump, and of the lump We fashioned bones, AND We clothed the bones (with) meat. Then We produced it as another creation."



Science (Modern Embryology)
Are the bones formed first in an embryo, then clothe or cover with Flesh??? Where in scientific term is the word "Clothe" or Cover ever happen? Any stage of embryonic development, for Flesh to cover over the bones? When one clothe with jacket, it is covered over the body. Imagine a bone cover with flesh is totally NOT scientifically TRUE. Greek doctors have made this theory before Islam.

Based on this book "Animal Models of Human Related Calcium Metabolic Disorders" Page 13 which says both bones and muscles are formed in stages from Week 6 to Week 11 and not all bones formed first at the same time and then clothe with muscles.

The simple fact is that heart muscle beats normally by 6th week from post-ovulation while first bone mandible was formed only by the 7th week; ribs bones by the 8th week and vertebral bones by the 11th week. So there is no stage where all bones are completely formed, then clothe with the Flesh.

According to Asher Ornoy, author of the book Animal Models of Human Related Calcium Metabolic Disorders Page 13, by the 5th week after fertilization, there is indication of the future cartilage in the human embryo. By that time the mesenchymal cells in the regions, where cartilaginous models of bones are to form, enlarge and differentiate into a compact zone of precartilage that assume the shape of future of cartilage.

The appearance of primary ossification in different bones of a human feotus was studied by several investigators. A comprehensive summary is given by O'Rahilly and Gardner, who studied 36 human embryos at the age of 6-8 post-ovulatory weeks.

The clavicle and mandible were the first bones to ossify, the initial centers appearing in the 7th week; then the maxilla began to ossify.

The long bones of the limbs, started to ossify during the 8th week; first the humerus, and then the radius, femur, tibia, and ulna.
Source: http://books.google.com.my/books?id=4...


Conclusion: There is no stage where all bones are formed and then clothe with Flesh. Quran is in serious error!!!

Looks like someone beat me to it. Well done.

 

[AncientGlory]

One idiot failed, and bluffing gibberish. he is talking No science , probably he doesnt know, or learned science, and garbage reply is what we get as usual.

I have to agree.

Mr. I_love_SriLanka,

you bought this challenge up, answer the questions yourself. No one is interested to know what Dr.Zakir Naik is saying because he is not here to answer. The fact you consider him as an intellectual person has zero effect on our judgment of him. I personally think he is a hypocrite.

So once again. Bring your own proofs from science. Not some yarns by a number one hypocrite who thinks he knows something about science.

 

[AncientGlory]

If you dont know science, Just keep quiet. Its a great service to mankind, islam and science. Problem is "nobodies" like you who even does not understand basics of biology publicly state gibberish that you dont even understand. Thats stupidity!

Well said.

 

[I love Srilanka]

Hey Punk, If some one can prove Quran is right on this issue it means the complete failure of

1. Molecular embryology
2. Cellular signalling
3. signal transduction and intra cellular signalling
4. biology


what is your problem here? this is not proving anything as to Quran is in error.


yet every Academic Institution teach this stuff (NOT QUran) to most Bio-medical professionals and students.

Nonsense...I would like to remind you that the Holy Qur'an is not a ‘book of Science’… S-C-I-E-N-C-E; but it's a book of Signs… S-I-G-N-S; it's a book of Ayaats - and there are more than 6000 Signs or 6000 Ayats, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. There are some people who would be satisfied just by acquiring one sign. Some people require 10 signs to accept the truth. Some may require a hundred, while the others even after you produce a thousand signs to them yet they will not accept the truth


If you dont know science, Just keep quiet. Its a great service to mankind, islam and science. Problem is "nobodies" like you who even does not understand basics of biology publicly state gibberish that you dont even understand. Thats stupidity!

Only you Know everything?..As per me, 1st of all you don't have common sense to answer for a question even.repeatedly giving baseless comments!.

 

[I love Srilanka]

Thanks. So please come up with the so called scientific proofs in quran. Its your claim that quaran has all these scientific truths. So bring them forward. This will be interesting.

Or lets start with this simple one. How long did it take to create earth and heavens(Universe??)??

Well you came up with something. OK Lets start.it is 6days.

I know what will be your next question.See this is all common allegation which is posted by Christian missionaries to malign islam, you are one among the misguided one.anyway let me wait for your reply

 

[I love Srilanka]

Looks like someone beat me to it. Well done.

Well lied. Ancientglory You didn't see the reply which was given to him. I reminded about this proverb My enemy is your friend

 

[I love Srilanka]

I have to agree.

Mr. I_love_SriLanka,

you bought this challenge up, answer the questions yourself. No one is interested to know what Dr.Zakir Naik is saying because he is not here to answer. The fact you consider him as an intellectual person has zero effect on our judgment of him. I personally think he is a hypocrite.

So once again. Bring your own proofs from science. Not some yarns by a number one hypocrite who thinks he knows something about science.

Mr.Ancient Glory,

As long as question is answered to you, you shouldn't have any problem regardless of the origin where it comes from. why can't I follow or copy some one saying if you all can copy and paste from all the critics in the world and from all the bins. also I don't mind if you have zero effect on your Judgement of him, I take this as a Joke coz he is among the 100 influential person in India. and also well learned non muslim personnel had discussed and debated with him including spiritual leader Srisri Ravi Sanker. so i feel ridiculous about you guys.
You cant expect everyone to do our own science search, being a non science student what maximum we can do is we can get the idea of what expert say abt that and post to you. you cant ask engineer to medical research or journalist to defense research.

By saying Dr.Zakir is Hypocrite, do you admit that you are not hypocrite. whether you are hypocrite or not, I have responsibility to answer you. so this is not a question of who is saying.

 

[කිඹුලා බනිස්]

Hey Dont evade the question to hide your illiteracy in Science.

Prove that Quran is correct. the Ball is in your court. Dont play fool here.

That is

prove that Bones are clothed with flesh (Muscle).

Which is impossible according to current modern molecular embryology. its text book knowledge!!! '

I challenge Allah, Muhammed, Zakir Naike to prove that BONES APPEAR BEFORE MUSCLES in humans !

 

[AncientGlory]

Well you came up with something. OK Lets start.it is 6days.

I know what will be your next question.See this is all common allegation which is posted by Christian missionaries to malign islam, you are one among the misguided one.anyway let me wait for your reply

You have no idea what I'm gonna ask next.

Anyway, It is a well known scientific fact that earth formed about 4.5 billion years ago and the condensing of earth too closer to 0.5 billion years. So what's this it only took 6 days? What a huge fat scientific error. Only morons believe this kind of stuff.

 

[AncientGlory]

Lets talk more. More scientific errors in quran.

It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
-quran 36:40 (Pickthal)

Sun floats in an orbit? Allah must be such a colorful scientist. Now prove sun orbits around earth.

 

[AncientGlory]

Mr.Ancient Glory,

As long as question is answered to you, you shouldn't have any problem regardless of the origin where it comes from. why can't I follow or copy some one saying if you all can copy and paste from all the critics in the world and from all the bins. also I don't mind if you have zero effect on your Judgement of him, I take this as a Joke coz he is among the 100 influential person in India. and also well learned non muslim personnel had discussed and debated with him including spiritual leader Srisri Ravi Sanker. so i feel ridiculous about you guys.
You cant expect everyone to do our own science search, being a non science student what maximum we can do is we can get the idea of what expert say abt that and post to you. you cant ask engineer to medical research or journalist to defense research.

By saying Dr.Zakir is Hypocrite, do you admit that you are not hypocrite. whether you are hypocrite or not, I have responsibility to answer you. so this is not a question of who is saying.

I suggest you should get a decent education in science first. Then you'd finally get the courage to speak up for yourself without hiding behind someone else. Otherwise don't challenge people on a subject you don't know anything about.

 

[AncientGlory]

Well lied. Ancientglory You didn't see the reply which was given to him. I reminded about this proverb My enemy is your friend

You didn't give any answer, you just ran and hide behind your role model Mr. Zakir. You can't give answers I reckon. Pity you didn't think about this before challenging others. Only a person who has absolutely no idea what science is would think he could defend quran against scientific errors. Luckily its so entertaining for us.