දෙනෙත් විවරව මියගිය මිනිසා, අර්නස්ටෝ චේ ග&#354

[yasas bandara]

You kind off skipped some of my questions. I didn't want to comment on this thread any more. But you skipped some questions from my earlier posts as well.
So tell me do you think our soldiers didn't have any hate toward ltte cadres when they fought?
Or what about puran appu. I'm sure he loved the British soldiers
lol
Spies were executed and still can be executed if caught.You can't expect them to let the spies go can you. Please learn more about revolutions. Specially the french revolution. The american revolution also.
It was a war. Honestly I can't imagine what your idea of war is. They weren't using bb guns you know
If you're against che as a sinhala buddhist, like you said yourself. you should be ashamed of the heroes we have idolized for generations also. After all they were sinhala buddhists or atleast pretended to be buddhists. Please find some articles written in 1960's about cuba by americans. You'll see how they stereotyped the cubans. And you ask me to believe books and sources written by american cubans keyword here being american. lol
Che represents communism.
ANd communism here represents the JVP
That's your real problem. That's why you were so quick to jump into this thread.
bringing Buddhism into everything is just pathetic imho. Buddhism was meant to bring spiritual salvation.Not to be used like this. Like I said before I see no difference between the thaleban and the so called sinhala buddhists. Both groups are extremists.
You come here and say you despise Che because of buddhism, yet you forget our own history.
You're talking about che like he was a sociopath or something and make it look like he was another hitler or something. If you want to know what che meant by the above quotes please read some biographies and auto biographies. Then you'll understand the circumstances and the reasons.He hated capitalism and capitalists. He never denied that. And you'll see that hate manifested many times in his diaries.
There are no black and white characters in the world dude. As a buddhist I'm pretty sure you're supposed to know that.
I don't care if other people care or not. And please explain the the term "those people". I'm pretty interested to know what kind of people you are referring to.Although I'm not going to post in this thread again.
Please compare the pre revolution cuba and cuba's growth over the years after the revolution.Can you honestly say the cubans would have been better off?
My problems is you're trying to dehumanize him without even considering the service he did for the cuban people.
And I'm not a che fanatic. I don't own any che caps or t-shirts.
arios amigos. And I dare you to post a thread about any member of the government pointing out their not so sinhala buddhist actions. That probably ain't going to happen.

Did Puran Appu or Gongalegoda Banda ever say “Dude let’s go and kill all the British Children and Women and Pregnant mothers and anything that’s labeled as ‘British’ so that they leave OUR country alone?”


They did not.



And you compare these heroes with Che who said killing millions of innocent lives is OK as long as they are labeled ‘American’. This does not even include the thousands of future lives destroyed due to radiation poisoning.



These even include Cuban lives. How can Cuba not be affected by nuclear blast in USA? Che went to Russia begging them to start a nuclear war…


But you’re a person who is ok with this… And yet, you’re worried about our leaders…


As I posted earlier, I don’t have any problem against those who stand up for Che AND what he believed in. I’m against people who worship Che WHILE openly saying that they are against everything he believed in (ex- When people who say they’re against Atomic bombs/nuclear wars claim that Che is a hero).



I have no argument with people like you who openly say that Che is justified in what he believed.



We’ll never see eye to eye.

 

[prabod.shyamal]

nice post

 

[leolanka]

3. යුද්ධයකදී කුඩා ළමුන් ඝාතනය නොකළ යුතුයි කියන අය කියනවා චේ වීරයෙක් කියලා - චේ අවු 14ක ළමයෙක් ඔත්තු සැපයීමේ චෝදනාව මත වෙඩි තියල දැම්ම කියල ඔවුන් දන්නේ නැතිව ඇති.

චේගුවෙරා සහ ‍ෆිඩෙල් මුලින්ම කියුබාවට 89ක කන්ඩයමක් එක්ක හොරෙන් බෝට්‍ටුවක ආවේ. මේක ගොඩ බැහලා විනාඩි කීපයකින් රජයේ හමුදා මේ පිරිසට පහර දුන්නා.චේ ගේ බෙල්ලට වෙඩි වැදුනා. ඔහු සමග ආපු 89න් ඉතිරි වුනේ 11යි.අනිත් ඔක්කොම මැරුවා. මේ අය ගැන හමුදාවට ඔත්තුව දුන්නේ ඔවුන් අතර හිටපු කෙනෙක්.මේක නිසා චේගුවෙරා අනතුරු ඇඟවීමක් කරා මොකා ඔත්තු දුන්නත් මරනවා කියලා.
ඉතින් මේ වගේ දඩුවම් කරන්නේ නැතිව ඔත්තු කාරයන්ට පිරිත් නූල් බැන්දනම් නියමෙට තියෙයි.එහෙනම් මෙලහකටත් ඔහුගේ මුලු හමුදාව පස් යට.

 

[dulaniresha]

we miss u che

 

[leolanka]

The main books describing those are



1. Exposing the Real Che Guevara: And the Useful Idiots Who Idolize Him by Humberto Fontova and


2. The Che Guevara Myth and the Future of Liberty by Alvaro Vargas Llosa


In 1997, Pierre San Martin, a Cuban who was jailed by Che, recalled an incident that happened in 1959.



A 12-14 year old boy, beaten and bloody, had been thrown into the cell with him. The boy said he was there for simply defending his father. The boy was trying to keep his father from being executed. He failed.
Later, the guards came for the boy:


“Near the wall where they conducted the executions, with his hands on his waist, paced from side to side the abominable Che Guevera.


He gave the order to bring the boy first and he ordered him to kneel in front of the wall. We all screamed for them not to commit this crime and we offered ourselves in his place. The boy disobeyed the order with a courage that words can’t express and responded to this infamous character: ‘If you’re going to kill me you’re going to have to do it the way you kill a man, standing, not like a coward, kneeling’


Walking behind the boy, the Che said “Whereupon you are a brave lad….” He unholstered his pistol and shot him in the nape of the neck so that he almost decapitated him."


Once, a mother lobbied Che for mercy on her young son. Che responded by picking up the phone. He ordered the execution to be carried out immediately. He had this mother watch her son executed, so she could stop worrying about her son.


Fontova described the first time Che killed for Fidel:


Fidel Castro ordered the execution of a peasant guerrilla named Eutimio Guerra who he accused of being an informer for Batista’s forces. Castro assigned the killing to his own bodyguard, Universo Sanchez. To everyone’s surprise, Che Guevara — a lowly rebel soldier/medic at the time (not yet a comandante — volunteered to accompany Sanchez and another soldier to the execution site. The Cuban rebels were glum as they walked slowly down the trail in a torrential thunderstorm. Finally the little group stopped in a clearing.


Sanchez was hesitant, looking around, perhaps looking for an excuse to postpone or call off the execution. Dozens would follow, but this was the first execution of a Castro rebel by Castro’s rebels. Suddenly without warning Che stepped up and fired his pistol into Guerra’s temple.



“He went into convulsions for a while and was finally still. Now his belongings were mine.” Che wrote in his Diaries.


Shortly afterwards, Che’s father in Buenos Aires received a letter from his prodigal son. “I’d like to confess, papa’, at that moment I discovered that I really like killing.”


From The Che Guevara Myth and the Future of Liberty by Alvaro Vargas Llosa -



A Cuban prosecutor of the time who quickly defected in horror and disgust named Jose Vilasuso estimates that Che signed 400 death warrants the first few months of his command in La Cabana.



A Basque priest named Iaki de Aspiazu, who was often on hand to perform confessions and last rites, says Che personally ordered 700 executions by firing squad during the period. Cuban journalist Luis Ortega, who knew Che as early as 1954, writes in his book Yo Soy El Che! that Guevara sent 1,897 men to the firing squad.


In his book Che Guevara: A Biography, Daniel James writes that Che himself admitted to ordering “several thousand” executions during the first year of the Castro regime. Felix Rodriguez, the Cuban-American CIA operative who helped track him down in Bolivia and was the last person to question him, says that Che during his final talk, admitted to “a couple thousand” executions. But he shrugged them off as all being of “imperialist spies and CIA agents.


But if you don’t care, why bother?

These are the shits fabricated by americans to tarnish cheguveras image.

 

[leolanka]

Did Puran Appu or Gongalegoda Banda ever say “Dude let’s go and kill all the British Children and Women and Pregnant mothers and anything that’s labeled as ‘British’ so that they leave OUR country alone?”


They did not.

චේගවෙරා කොහෙද අහිංසක මිනිස්සු ලමයි මැරුවේ. නිකන් ඇමරිකන් කාරයෝ හදපු බොරු කතා. මේවා හැදුවේ කියුබාවෙන් පැනලා ඇමරිකාවට ගිය ආර්තික සරනාගතයන්

 

[leolanka]

I suggest you read "Che: A Revolutionary Life" by Jon Lee Anderson, if you want a good look at Che's life. It's an excellent book. You're not going to get a straight answer on here.

He was a man who stood up for what he believed in and that was the equality of all people. He worked to put an end to capitalist and imperialist systems that degraded humanity. He was also a loving father, who cared very deeply for his family as well as for the people around him.

Good and evil are, of course, relative terms. To the capitalist, Che is evil because he stood against the capitalist and demanded fair treatment for workers.
For people seeking a better life, he is good, a hero who worked for peoples' rights

 

[leolanka]

By the time Ernesto Guevara, known to us as Che, was murdered in the jungles of Bolivia in October 1967, he was already a legend to my generation, not only in Latin America but also around the world.
Like so many epics, the story of the obscure Argentine doctor who abandoned his profession and his native land to pursue the emancipation of the poor of the earth began with a voyage. In 1956, along with Fidel Castro and a handful of others, he had crossed the Caribbean in the rickety yacht Granma on the mad mission of invading Cuba and overthrowing the dictator Fulgencio Batista. Landing in a hostile swamp, losing most of their contingent, the survivors fought their way to the Sierra Maestra. A bit over two years later, after a guerrilla campaign in which Guevara displayed such outrageous bravery and skill that he was named comandante, the insurgents entered Havana and launched what was to become the first and only victorious socialist revolution in the America

 

[leolanka]

ලතින් ඇමරිකානු රටවල 1950 ගනන් වල තිබුන තත්වය බැලුවම චේගුවෙරාගේ විප්ලවය විශිෂ්ඨයි. ඔහු ප්‍රජාතන්ත්‍රවාදය තිබුන රටක සටන් කරා නම් ඒක වැරදියි. ලංකාවේ 1971 කැරල්ල වැරදීමක් කියන්නේ ඒකයි.ලතින් ඇමරිකානු රටවල් පාලනය කෙරේ ජුන්ටලා. උන් එහෙන් රට හොරකම් කරනවා.අනිත් පැත්තෙන් ඇමරිකානු සමාගම් ලතින් රටවල් හොරකම් කරනවා.නමුත් චේගුවෙරාගේ නැගිටීම නිසා මේ තත්වය කන පිට පෙරලුනා.

 

[leolanka]

සමාජවාදය අද ලෝකයට නොගැලපෙන්න පුලුවන්.මොකද සමාජවාදය හුඟක් වෙනස්කම් ප්‍රතිසංස්කරන ඇති කර ගන්න තියෙනවා.විප්ලවවාදිත්වය සමාජවාදය තුල අද නෑ.සමාජවාදය දිගටම වෙනස් වුනේ නෑ.ඒකයි මේක අසාර්ථක වෙලා තියෙන්නේ.ඒකට චේගුවෙරට, ලෙනින්ට බැනලා හරියන්නේ නෑ.

 

[Silver bird]

Did Puran Appu or Gongalegoda Banda ever say “Dude let’s go and kill all the British Children and Women and Pregnant mothers and anything that’s labeled as ‘British’ so that they leave OUR country alone?”


They did not.



And you compare these heroes with Che who said killing millions of innocent lives is OK as long as they are labeled ‘American’. This does not even include the thousands of future lives destroyed due to radiation poisoning.



These even include Cuban lives. How can Cuba not be affected by nuclear blast in USA? Che went to Russia begging them to start a nuclear war…


But you’re a person who is ok with this… And yet, you’re worried about our leaders…


As I posted earlier, I don’t have any problem against those who stand up for Che AND what he believed in. I’m against people who worship Che WHILE openly saying that they are against everything he believed in (ex- When people who say they’re against Atomic bombs/nuclear wars claim that Che is a hero).



I have no argument with people like you who openly say that Che is justified in what he believed.



We’ll never see eye to eye.

Oh yes Puran appu loved those british soldiers he killed .Oh He simply adored them.

I'm pretty sure che didn't go off killing pregnant women and children either?

Puran appu is our hero. And for Cuba and most of latin america che is theirs.That's the point you're not getting. And there's no reason they should treat him as a hero is there?
And I never said Puran appu said those things
ANd where does it say CHe begged russia to start a nuclear war? CAn you please show us. pretty please I'm sure we all would like to know.
jesus you become hilarious by the minute.

But you’re a person who is ok with this… And yet, you’re worried about our leaders…

What exactly am I ok with? Could you care to explain
Whom else should I worry about? The prime minister of india. But apparently you care more about the anti sinhala buddhist statements of a long dead foreign political figure than the anti "sinhala buddhist" actions of our current leaders . So what does this tell me?

I have no argument with people like you who openly say that Che is justified in what he believed.

People like me oh gosh. You're too flattering.
So what are you saying is che should of have commanded the revolutionaries in such a way that no blood should of have been shed? . THe sinhala buddhist way I suppose.Like our war. We won it without bloodshed I think
But Mr. Yasas bandara the sad truth is no revolution was won without bloodshed.
Ah, U didn't answer the question

do you think our soldiers didn't have any hate toward ltte cadres when they fought?

Please compare the pre revolution cuba and cuba's growth over the years after the revolution.Can you honestly say the cubans would have been better off?

And speaking about arguments do you want me to believe some book an american cuban wrote as proof
Eye to eye, damn man, I don't even want to see your face.
Internet arguments. They give me the lulz
If che is bugging you this much. Please create a thread named maybe " Che THe Diablo"
I'll be sure to give it a bump

 

[sindukade1]

බෙදාගත්තට ස්තුති ..... +

 

[leolanka]

සාර්ථක සමාජවාදී රටක් නැති බව ඇත්ත. ඒකට බලපාපු කරුණු තමයි නිලධාරිවාදය, දූෂනය, ඒකාධිපතිවය නිසා අලුත් දේවල් අත් හදා නොබලපු එක, අනිත් විප්ලවවාදි මත වලට ඉඩ නොතිබීම, ධනවාදි රටවලින් තිබුන සම්භාධක,සමාජවාදි නායකයන් සහ ඔවුන්ගේ පවුල් ආදර්ශමත් නොවීම, ඥාති සහ පාක්ෂික සංග්‍රහ වගේ දේවල්.
අනිත් අතට ධනවාදයත් සාර්ථක නෑ.සාර්ථක වෙලා තියෙන්නේ බටහිර රටවල් කීපයක විතරයි. ඉන්දියාව, ලංකාව ,අප්‍රිකානු සහ ලතින් ඇමරිකානු ධනවාදි රටවල් අන්තිම අසාර්ථකයි. මේකට ප්‍රධානතම හේතුව දූෂිත නායකයන්, දූෂිත පාලකයන් සහ ව්‍යාජ බොරු ප්‍රජාතන්ත්‍රවාදය.ලෝකයේ රටවල් කීපයක් විතරයි තවම සංවර්ධිත.ධනවාදය කියන්නේ කැසිනෝ එකක් වගේ ජයග්‍රහකයන් කීප දෙනයි. පරාජිතයන් බහුතරය.
තමා එන හිල අනුව අනාගතය තීරණය වෙනවා.සල්ලි තියෙන හිලකින් නම් ජොබ් එකක් කරන්න ඕනිත් නෑ. අධ්‍යාපනය ,සෞඛ්‍ය උසස් විදිහට කර ගන්න පුලුවන්.දුප්පත් හිලකින් නම් ජීවිතය ක‍ටුකයි.ආහාර ක‍ටුකයි.අධ්‍යපනය ෂුවර් නෑ.සෞඛ්‍ය පහසුකම් හොඳට නෑ.අන්න ඒකත් අවබෝධ කර ගන්න ඕනී.චේගුවෙරා මරලා ධනවාදයට ගිය ඔක්කොම ලතින් ඇමරිකානු රටවල් දූෂිත ප්‍රජාතන්ත්‍රවාදයේ, ඒකාධිපතිවාදයේ, දරිද්‍රතාවයේ තියෙනවා.මේ රටවල් මත් ද්‍රව්‍ය ජාවාරම් කරුවන්ගේ රජ දහන්.

 

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චේ කියන්නේ මානව හිතවාදියෙක් ය කියල කියන පිරිස මේ කාරණය තරහ ගන්නේ නැතුව කල්පනා කරල බලන්න.

[FONT=&quot]චේ කියන්නේ දරුණු පුද්ගලයෙක් බවට ඕනෑවටත් වඩා[/FONT][FONT=&quot] සාක්ශි තියනවා. තමා අකමැති හැම දෙයක්ම ඔහු යටපත් කළා. උදා- සමලිංකියන් හිරේ[/FONT][FONT=&quot] දැමීම[/FONT][FONT=&quot], Rock music [/FONT][FONT=&quot]යටපත් කිරීම ([/FONT][FONT=&quot]1960[/FONT][FONT=&quot] දශකය )[/FONT][FONT=&quot], [/FONT][FONT=&quot]නිදහස් මැතිවරණ ප්‍රතික්ශේප [/FONT][FONT=&quot]කිරීම.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ඔහු න්‍යශ්ඨික යුද්ධයක් ගැන ලොකු බලාපොරොත්තු තබාගෙන සිටිය බව දන්නවාද[/FONT][FONT=&quot]? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]සමාජවාදය පැතිරවීම පිණිස කියුබාව[/FONT][FONT=&quot] න්‍යශ්ඨික ආයුධ වැලඳ ගැනීමට සූදානම් බව [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ඔහු කියා තිබෙනවා. ලක්ෂ ගනනින් මිනිසුන් මිය ගියත් ඒ අළු මතින්[/FONT][FONT=&quot] නව දේශයක් ගොඩනැගිය හැකි බව ඔහු කියා තිබෙනවා.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

(මෙන්න මේ වගේ දුෂ්ඨයන්ගේ චරිත චිත්‍රපට වලත් දැකලා ඇති. නමුත් පරමාණු බෝම්බ තනා මිනී මරා නව ලොවක් ගොඩනගන්න හදන මනංකල්පිත චරිත චිත්‍රපට වලදී දුෂ්ඨයන් විදිහට සලකන අයම චේ වීරයෙක් කියල හිතන් ඉන්න එක විහිළුවක් නෙවෙයිද?)

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]චේ ලතින් ඇමරිකානු රටවල සිවිල් ජනතාව දහස් ගනනින් මැරූ බව කවුරුත් දන්නවා.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]වෙනිසුලාවේ ඔහුගේ ප්‍රතිමා ගණනාවකම බෙලි කපා විනාශ කළ බව දන්නවාද[/FONT][FONT=&quot]? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ඒවා කළේ[/FONT][FONT=&quot] ඇමරිකාව නෙවේ. ඔහුගේ අපරාධ ගැන දන්නා සිවිල් ජනතාව.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]මෙන්න මොහුගේ ප්‍රසිද්ධ ප්‍රකාශ -[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]"Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!" [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]"Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become … "[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall![/FONT][FONT=&quot] (El Paredón)"

[/FONT]The Motorcycle Diaries චිත්‍රපටිය හැදුවේ චේ ගුවේරා විසින් ලතින් ඇමරිකානු රටවල කරපු සංචාරයක් ගැන ලියපු [FONT=&quot]journal සටහන් [/FONT]ආධාරයෙන්.

මේ[FONT=&quot] journal සටහන්[/FONT] වල චේ ලියපු සටහනක් මෙන්න--


[FONT=&quot]“I now feel my dilated nostrils, savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood, of enemy death; I now tense my body, ready for the struggle, and I prepare my being as a sacred place so that in it resounds with new vibrations and new hopes the bestial howl of the triumphant proletariat.”[/FONT]

මොන තරම් "මානව හිතවාදී" සිතිවිල්ලක්ද?....

(මේ විප්ලවවාදියෙක් වෙන්න කලින් හිටපු චේ බව අමතක කරන්න එපා.)
[FONT=&quot]මොහුගේ මානසික තත්වය මේවායින් පේනවා.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]මිනිසුන් හිත් පිත් නැති මිනී මරණ යන්ත්‍ර බවට පත් විය යුතු බව[/FONT][FONT=&quot], [/FONT][FONT=&quot]නඩු විභාග[/FONT][FONT=&quot]වලින් තොරව වැරදි කරුවන්ට වෙඩි තැබිය යුතු බව[/FONT][FONT=&quot], [/FONT][FONT=&quot]න්‍යශ්ඨික අවි වලින් මිලියන[/FONT][FONT=&quot] ගනන් මිනිසුන් මැරුවාට කමක් නැති බව සිතූ චේ ගෙයි ඔසාමාගෙයි මහ ලොකු වෙනසක් මට නම් පේන්නේ නැහැ.[/FONT]
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[/FONT]මම කථා කරන්නේ සිංහල බෞද්ධයෙක් විදිහට පමණයි. ධනවාදියෙක් විදිහට නෙවෙයි. බුද්ධියෙන් හිතල බලන්න...

 

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ගොනා වගේ ඔලුව වනලා යන්න එපා.මොනවා හරි කියලා පල

 

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සාක්ෂිකාරයින්ගේ විස්තර මේ සයිට් එකේ එකතු කරල තියනවා.
http://cubaarchive.org/

මෙච්චර මහන්සි වෙලා මේවා හදන්න ඇත්තේ ඇමරිකන් කාරයෝ වෙන්න ඇති...

ඇමරිකාවට පැනල ගිය මිනිස්සු යන්න ඇත්තේ එහේ කාලගුණය හොඳ හින්ද වෙන්න ඇති...

http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm

http://www.allamericanblogger.com/2402/che-guevara-took-a-lot-of-pleasure-in-killing/

මේවත් කියවල බලපල්ල...
මේවා ලියනවට මුන්ට ඇමරිකාවෙන් ගෙවනවා ඇති.

ඉස්සර කාලේ මෙහෙම කඩේ යන උන්ට ගම්වල මිනිස්සු කිව්වේ 'ගුවේර කාරයෝ' කියල.

මේකේ තේරුම දැන් තමයි පේන්නේ...

 

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උඹලා මේ උත්තමයට බනින්න එපා.
මෙන්න මේ උත්තමයගේ වැඩ කිඩ...

කිසිම නඩුවක් නැතිව මරපු ලෙඛණගත මිනිස්සු 180 දෙනෙක් ගැන විස්තර මෙන්න -
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මේ ඔක්කොම කියුබානු ජුන්ටලා. එහෙම නැත්නම් උන් එක්ක රට කාපු එවුන්.

 

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මේ තියෙන්නේ චේ කියන මිනීමරුවගේ ලතින් ඇමරිකානු රටවල කඩා දාපු පිළිම.

මේව කරන්න ඇත්තේ CIA එකෙන් වෙන්න ඇති..