බුද්දාගම ප්රශ්නයක්

[Vandetta]

palliyen kiyana boru. evolution kiyanne mechchara kalekata sarthalawama prove karapu theory ekak. genes witharak neme one tharam fossils thiyenawa museum wala. evolution eka disprove karanna kisima saksiyak naha. just accept the hard truth. buddha didn't see the past. watema minissu innawa dakka ithin hithuwa loke arambe indalama minissu hitiya kiyala.

I wouldn't go that far to say Buddha couldn't or didn't see the past. Here is the thing
1. we now know as a fact that evolution did happen .it doesn't mean we evolved from monkeys
it simply says that we humans ,monkeys ,chimps and gorillas share a common ancestor who could be an ape.
so that ape evolved and became the ape from some single cells to that complex form of life.
2.buddha told that shining creatures with transparent simple subtle bodies from abhassara used to roam above the earth

its just a matter of figuring out where to place that narrative

 

[SahanJ123]

But dont worry... Extremists or not, Buddhism does not allow to kill any being. Of course you can kill but you will have to face the consequences. Thats the difference between Buddhism and other shit.

Forget about evolution. dont waste your time arguing these nonsense. Whether we evolve from monkey or some diving being doesnt matter, try your best to be a enlighten one within this lifetime. at least try your best to achieve sothapanna...

lol. what evolution says is monkeys and us share a common ancestor. what buddha said was that we are evolved from some divine beings at the very beginning of the world. this is pure fantasy. we were evolved from animals and theres no difference between them and us eventhough buddha said animals live in a hell. this is not evolution this is fantasy. everybody came to a conclusion except religious extremists.

 

[Emios]

Even pigs have 98% of our DNA.That's something to think about

 

[50W]

You are talking about this kalpa.A kalpa is around 4.56 billion years.You're talking about humans in this kalpa.We have another 2+ billion years to go till this kalpa ends.Yes there were many buddhas as well as humans in previous kalpas.Life on earth has been destroyed million billlion times before.The evolution that you're talking about happens only during the time of expansion of this universe.

he refers to humans as nor male nor female.Just as beings.It's not the modern day man he's talking about.Trees happen because of cause and effect.We are talking about how beings with consciousness evolved.

Divine beings in the sence not some gods fooling around with chariots and all.abhasvara planes means a mind made dwelling place for a being.Don't attach a certain physical frame to this being.

it's about this kalpa i am talking about. according to buddhism there were 4 buddhas including gautama buddha in this kalpa on this planet. If both buddha and TOE correct it means there were humans when dinosaurs ruled the earth. agganna sutra says those floating beings are conscious and u just said it's micro-organisms buddha was talking about which implies that micro organisms are conscious. it's u who attach certain physical frames to beings.

මිනිස්සුයි තිරිසන් ලෝකයයි වෙන් වෙන්නේ ශිලය නිසා. මිනිසා සිල්වත් බවින් තොර වෙන්න වෙන්න තිරිසන් සතා සහ මිනිසා අතර වෙනසක් නැහැ. ඒක තමයි මෙතනට දෙන්න තියෙන හොදම පිළිතුර

out of topic

I wouldn't go that far to say Buddha couldn't or didn't see the past. Here is the thing
1. we now know as a fact that evolution did happen .it doesn't mean we evolved from monkeys
it simply says that we humans ,monkeys ,chimps and gorillas share a common ancestor who could be an ape.
so that ape evolved and became the ape from some single cells to that complex form of life.
2.buddha told that shining creatures with transparent simple subtle bodies from abhassara used to roam above the earth

its just a matter of figuring out where to place that narrative

that's what i was saying. we both evolved from a common ancestor while buddhism says monkeys are just animals and we evolved from some gender less brahmas. which means one of these is a lie.

But dont worry... Extremists or not, Buddhism does not allow to kill any being. Of course you can kill but you will have to face the consequences. Thats the difference between Buddhism and other shit.

Forget about evolution. dont waste your time arguing these nonsense. Whether we evolve from monkey or some diving being doesnt matter, try your best to be a enlighten one within this lifetime. at least try your best to achieve sothapanna...

that is the whole point of this argument. buddhism must be correct if to be enlightened while all the evidence suggests that buddha didn't see past clearly. how are we suppose to believe the path he taught to end sansara is correct when he has failed in seeing the beginning of human kind ?

here's my opinion. Lord Buddha was just another philosopher at that time and what he did was making a good society. read singalowada sutra. when singala was worshiping 6 directions buddha didn't say to stop it. any 4th grader of this era can understand directions are just directions and it's pointless to worship them. instead buddha gave a meaning to those directions and said take care of your parents, friends and family. that's exactly what happened in this case and every other case where divine beings, karma and many other supernatural things are involved. Buddha didn't see future or past. he just claimed he can and lied (samyak prayoga) about our origin and fate so that people don't worship a creator and beg for everything. same goes for karma and samsara.

 

[50W]

Even pigs have 98% of our DNA.That's something to think about

of course pigs and humans share a common ancestor. why did u think they are mammals ? do you really believe that we don't share the closest common ancestors with primates and we are evolved from some divine beings ?

 

[SahanJ123]

First of all we dont know for sure the findings of Charles Darwin are correct. Its not proven but a suggestion through some of his observations.

Second, You cannot nullify all the teachings by buddha just because the story of Aabhassara. We dont know the story of Aabhassara is originally from Buddha or something added later by someone else.

Because there are so many misinterpretations in Thripitaka.

BUT, BUT, The core of the buddhism, does not affected by most of those misinterpretations. If you practice it the right way, you can become a enlighten one.

as an example, the things like, story of aabhassara, or the story of Muchalinda, or the story of dewadattha etc etc dont matter when it comes to enlightenment. Hope you will get what Im saying.

 

[kellsupun]

bum,p

 

[topkollek]

ආභස්සර බ්‍රහ්ම ලෝකෙන් බ්‍රහ්මයො ටිකක් ආවලු. සමහරුන්ට බල්ලො, පූසො, එළුවො,ඌරො,... කූඹි... කැරපොත්තො.. හිකනල්ලු... වෙන්න හිතුනලු. තව සමහරුන්ට මිනිස්සු වෙන්න හිතුනලු. ඉතින් ඒක එහෙම උනාලු. ඕක තෙරෙන්නෙ නැද්ද?

 

[SahanJ123]

You are wrong.

ආභස්සර බ්‍රහ්ම ලෝකෙන් බ්‍රහ්මයො ටිකක් ආවලු. සමහරුන්ට බල්ලො, පූසො, එළුවො,ඌරො,... කූඹි... කැරපොත්තො.. හිකනල්ලු... වෙන්න හිතුනලු. තව සමහරුන්ට මිනිස්සු වෙන්න හිතුනලු. ඉතින් ඒක එහෙම උනාලු. ඕක තෙරෙන්නෙ නැද්ද?

 

[tarzanbappa]

තිරිසන් අපායයි මනුශ්ය ලෝකයයි වෙන් වෙන්නෙ මේකෙ කොතනිංද ? එහෙම වෙන් වෙන්න කොච්චර කල් ගියාද ? නැත්නං එක පාරට අම්මයි තාත්තයි තිරිසන්නු එගොල්ලන්ගෙ ලමයි මනුස්සයො වුනාද ?

බුදු දහමට අනුව සහ ඇත්ත වශයෙන්ම මේ පරිණාම වාදය බොරුවකි..

එහෙම පරිණාමය වෙලා නම් කොහොමද වඳුරු වර්ග තාම ඉන්නේ...
පරිනාමයේ එක එක අවදි එකම කාලයේ තියෙන්න විදියක් නෑ නේ..

අභිධර්මය පරිශීලනය කරන්න
http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1787886

 

[topkollek]

You are wrong.

එහෙනම් කියන්න බලන්න කැරපොත්තො හැදුන හැටි

 

[Emios]

it's about this kalpa i am talking about. according to buddhism there were 4 buddhas including gautama buddha in this kalpa on this planet. If both buddha and TOE correct it means there were humans when dinosaurs ruled the earth. agganna sutra says those floating beings are conscious and u just said it's micro-organisms buddha was talking about which implies that micro organisms are conscious. it's u who attach certain physical frames to beings.



out of topic



that's what i was saying. we both evolved from a common ancestor while buddhism says monkeys are just animals and we evolved from some gender less brahmas. which means one of these is a lie.



that is the whole point of this argument. buddhism must be correct if to be enlightened while all the evidence suggests that buddha didn't see past clearly. how are we suppose to believe the path he taught to end sansara is correct when he has failed in seeing the beginning of human kind ?

here's my opinion. Lord Buddha was just another philosopher at that time and what he did was making a good society. read singalowada sutra. when singala was worshiping 6 directions buddha didn't say to stop it. any 4th grader of this era can understand directions are just directions and it's pointless to worship them. instead buddha gave a meaning to those directions and said take care of your parents, friends and family. that's exactly what happened in this case and every other case where divine beings, karma and many other supernatural things are involved. Buddha didn't see future or past. he just claimed he can and lied (samyak prayoga) about our origin and fate so that people don't worship a creator and beg for everything. same goes for karma and samsara.

Few years ago the same science said human existence only began like 5000 years ago.now it's stretched to 15000 years after finding of cities like dwarka.Now you are saying it's 2million years ago.It's not only the buddha says this even the old upanishads talk about the same thing.
Out of all the things science cannot explain how excatly earth was born and root cause for life.All are still hypothesis.They're saying everything is build on atoms.But no body has even seen an atom.Which means they're loosing the whole perspective.
Yes the floating beings were conscious and due to physical transformation level of consciousness changed.
We're talking about billion years dinosaurs exist for about 50000 years at max.

 

[Emios]

here's my opinion. Lord Buddha was just another philosopher at that time and what he did was making a good society. read singalowada sutra. when singala was worshiping 6 directions buddha didn't say to stop it. any 4th grader of this era can understand directions are just directions and it's pointless to worship them. instead buddha gave a meaning to those directions and said take care of your parents, friends and family. that's exactly what happened in this case and every other case where divine beings, karma and many other supernatural things are involved. Buddha didn't see future or past. he just claimed he can and lied (samyak prayoga) about our origin and fate so that people don't worship a creator and beg for everything. same goes for karma and samsara.

It's your option and it's only a view of yours.On that fact you can't say buddha didn't see past or future.How did you come to such a conclusion,based on your analysis?
Of course what some of you said is correct he wanted to remove the idea of god because too much shit was happening to reach god.Nirvana and karma is not his findings.It was there even before this buddha.

 

[LazyLizard]

ආභස්සර බ්‍රහ්ම ලෝකෙන් බ්‍රහ්මයො ටිකක් ආවලු. සමහරුන්ට බල්ලො, පූසො, එළුවො,ඌරො,... කූඹි... කැරපොත්තො.. හිකනල්ලු... වෙන්න හිතුනලු. තව සමහරුන්ට මිනිස්සු වෙන්න හිතුනලු. ඉතින් ඒක එහෙම උනාලු. ඕක තෙරෙන්නෙ නැද්ද?

නෑ නෑ

බ්‍රහ්මයෝ ආභස්සර ලෝකේ අතෑරලා පෘතුවියට එද්දී එහෙ හිටපු බ්‍රහ්ම සත්තුත් එක්කගෙන ආවේ. බ්‍රහ්ම කැරපොත්තෝ මෙහෙ නිකන් කැරපොත්තෝ උනා. එහෙ හිටපු බ්‍රහ්ම ඌරෝ මෙහෙ ඌරෝ උනා. බ්‍රහ්ම කුඹි නිකන් කුඹි උනා, අනික් සත්තුත් අදාල අදාළ ස්වරූප ගත්තා. බ්‍රහ්මයෝ ටික මිනිස්සු උනා.

 

[aappjj]

මිනිස්සු අපායක දාලා මොනා කරන්නද?

 

[aappjj]

නෑ නෑ

බ්‍රහ්මයෝ ආභස්සර ලෝකේ අතෑරලා පෘතුවියට එද්දී එහෙ හිටපු බ්‍රහ්ම සත්තුත් එක්කගෙන ආවේ. බ්‍රහ්ම කැරපොත්තෝ මෙහෙ නිකන් කැරපොත්තෝ උනා. එහෙ හිටපු බ්‍රහ්ම ඌරෝ මෙහෙ ඌරෝ උනා. බ්‍රහ්ම කුඹි නිකන් කුඹි උනා, අනික් සත්තුත් අදාල අදාළ ස්වරූප ගත්තා. බ්‍රහ්මයෝ ටික මිනිස්සු උනා.

බ්‍රක්ම තලය කියන්නේ පැතැලි ලෝකයක්ද? බ්‍රක්ම තලය පැතලි නිසා පොලෝ තලයත් පැතැලි උනාද

 

[LazyLizard]

බ්‍රක්ම තලය කියන්නේ පැතැලි ලෝකයක්ද? බ්‍රක්ම තලය පැතලි නිසා පොලෝ තලයත් පැතැලි උනාද

මම දන්නේ කොහොමද මම බ්‍රහ්මයෙක් නෙවේ

 

[topkollek]

නෑ නෑ

බ්‍රහ්මයෝ ආභස්සර ලෝකේ අතෑරලා පෘතුවියට එද්දී එහෙ හිටපු බ්‍රහ්ම සත්තුත් එක්කගෙන ආවේ. බ්‍රහ්ම කැරපොත්තෝ මෙහෙ නිකන් කැරපොත්තෝ උනා. එහෙ හිටපු බ්‍රහ්ම ඌරෝ මෙහෙ ඌරෝ උනා. බ්‍රහ්ම කුඹි නිකන් කුඹි උනා, අනික් සත්තුත් අදාල අදාළ ස්වරූප ගත්තා. බ්‍රහ්මයෝ ටික මිනිස්සු උනා.

ඒ කියන්නෙ ඒලියන්ස්ල ආපු සීන් එකක් වගෙනෙ

 

[50W]

First of all we dont know for sure the findings of Charles Darwin are correct. Its not proven but a suggestion through some of his observations.

Second, You cannot nullify all the teachings by buddha just because the story of Aabhassara. We dont know the story of Aabhassara is originally from Buddha or something added later by someone else.

Because there are so many misinterpretations in Thripitaka.

BUT, BUT, The core of the buddhism, does not affected by most of those misinterpretations. If you practice it the right way, you can become a enlighten one.

as an example, the things like, story of aabhassara, or the story of Muchalinda, or the story of dewadattha etc etc dont matter when it comes to enlightenment. Hope you will get what Im saying.

only a suggestion ? what evidence have we found to reject that suggestion ? evolution is a fact. every piece of evidence we have found proves theory of evolution. and it's been proving through observation right now. we and every other animal is still evolving. what other evidence you need to accept TOE ? a supernatural power to see past like in fairy tales ?

if abhassara brahma loka thing is edited after buddhas time how do we know for sure other things are not added just like that ? karma, sansara and almost everything in buddhism can be found in Jainism and Hinduism. what science proved to be wrong is edited and all else is in their original form ? is this what you are suggesting us to believe ?

බුදු දහමට අනුව සහ ඇත්ත වශයෙන්ම මේ පරිණාම වාදය බොරුවකි..

එහෙම පරිණාමය වෙලා නම් කොහොමද වඳුරු වර්ග තාම ඉන්නේ...
පරිනාමයේ එක එක අවදි එකම කාලයේ තියෙන්න විදියක් නෑ නේ..

අභිධර්මය පරිශීලනය කරන්න
http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1787886

why there are stupid questions like these when there's a search engine named google ? evolution isn't a process where X is replaced by Y. new variants of species appear and if their ancestors are incapable of living with them they go extinct. same happened to our ancestors. monkeys and other primates, they didn't had to battle with modern humans cause they lived a different life in a different environment. what you need to do is change the sources you acquire information.

Few years ago the same science said human existence only began like 5000 years ago.now it's stretched to 15000 years after finding of cities like dwarka.Now you are saying it's 2million years ago.It's not only the buddha says this even the old upanishads talk about the same thing.
Out of all the things science cannot explain how excatly earth was born and root cause for life.All are still hypothesis.They're saying everything is build on atoms.But no body has even seen an atom.Which means they're loosing the whole perspective.
Yes the floating beings were conscious and due to physical transformation level of consciousness changed.
We're talking about billion years dinosaurs exist for about 50000 years at max.

who said such thing ? we are 2 million years old and it's proven many years ago. you really need to change the source you are getting these data. physics and biology is two different branches and our ancestors are not something like atoms. what you are trying to do here is use some unproven or disprovable hypotheses in physics to deny the fact that we didn't evolve from divine beings. cities have nothing to do whatsoever with our evolution. we didn't build cities just after climbing off from trees. we were hunting apes for millions of years. we started building cities very recently.

just accept the fact that buddha was wrong.

It's your option and it's only a view of yours.On that fact you can't say buddha didn't see past or future.How did you come to such a conclusion,based on your analysis?
Of course what some of you said is correct he wanted to remove the idea of god because too much shit was happening to reach god.Nirvana and karma is not his findings.It was there even before this buddha.

no it's the truth and I have given enough evidence to support it. if he could really see the past why did he say we used to live kotis of years which doesn't get along whatsoever with the TOE ?

බ්‍රක්ම තලය කියන්නේ පැතැලි ලෝකයක්ද? බ්‍රක්ම තලය පැතලි නිසා පොලෝ තලයත් පැතැලි උනාද

yes. buddhists used to believe our world is flat and they even said science is something that says what they have found yesterday is a lie and so scientists would find world is flat again later. and now they are using the ambiguity to interpret the text in a different way.

 

[Emios]

no it's the truth and I have given enough evidence to support it. if he could really see the past why did he say we used to live kotis of years which doesn't get along whatsoever with the TOE ?

I don't see your evidence to support it nor you read the full context which I have written.You keep repeating buddha didn't see the past clearly.At least refer to any text or give a link.You have no evidence to prove how first life came to existence.