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[nipund]

@nuwan9999 @ek_rosh
I think question asked by nuwan is panchasakandaya ok?
First fabrication is ok , it's the normal process?

You have to rephrase your question @nuwan9999

මේ නිසා තමයි මන් බන අහන්න කැමති.

That's totally ok. තණ්හාවෙන් ම තමා තණ්හාව කැපෙන්නේ

 

[nuwan9999]

@nuwan9999 @ek_rosh
I think question asked by nuwan is panchasakandaya ok?
First fabrication is ok , it's the normal process?

You have to rephrase your question @nuwan9999

That's totally ok. තණ්හාවෙන් ම තමා තණ්හාව කැපෙන්නේ

There are gaps here, but (IMHO):

If I rephrase my question, without considering any other factors and purely considering the function of mind only:

මම වත්තෙ තියෙන මලක් දැකල ඒක ලස්සනයි කියල හිතන එක normal ද?
අල්ලපු වත්තෙ මනුස්සය හයියෙන් කැගැහුව කියල කුස්සියෙන් පිහිය අරන් ගිහිල්ල ඒ මනුස්සයට අනින එක normal ද?
කොත්තුවක් කාල හරි රහයි කියල හිතන එක normal ද?
නිකං හිතුන නිසා ගලක් ගහල පාරෙ යන කොල්ලෙක්ගෙ ඔලුව පලන එක normal ද?

 

[ek_rosh]

Agree.

Now we are going somewhere.
Maybe I missed it but this is the first time I see you saying “fabrication is not the issue” – This is what you are saying, right?

you have been taking normal means ok/no issues. i dont see it like that

people smoke cigarettes -
is it normal - yes,
is ok (has no issues) - no (not good for health)

prutakjana mind has avijja
normal - yes
ok - no

I’d say acting on fabricated stories is also not the issue either because we can’t stop it (irrespective of the act is right or wrong). Once you fabricated, you will act using mind, body or words - agree?

i dont agree on this (withing my understanding, my framwork)

the mind can stop acting on fabricated stories, if the mind is mindful (im not talking about magga/pala) on what the mind is fabricating before taking the action..

Now we come to one important point. You lightly touched on it by saying “taking as reality” and you see this as an issue. Would you be able to elaborate on this one please?

your mind sees the posts i posted and fabricates a story (because of this, and this and that rosh must be maintaining ego)
you take this story as real - yes, rosh really maintains ego

 

[Emios]

Both of you disagreed when i said
මහණෙනි, රූපයම මාරයාය

 

[ek_rosh]

Both of you disagreed when i said
මහණෙනි, රූපයම මාරයාය

maras effect

 

[Emios]

maras effect

There you go

 

[nipund]

There are gaps here, but (IMHO):

View attachment 268193

If I rephrase my question, without considering any other factors and purely considering the function of mind only:

මම වත්තෙ තියෙන මලක් දැකල ඒක ලස්සනයි කියල හිතන එක normal ද?
අල්ලපු වත්තෙ මනුස්සය හයියෙන් කැගැහුව කියල කුස්සියෙන් පිහිය අරන් ගිහිල්ල ඒ මනුස්සයට අනින එක normal ද?
කොත්තුවක් කාල හරි රහයි කියල හිතන එක normal ද?
නිකං හිතුන නිසා ගලක් ගහල පාරෙ යන කොල්ලෙක්ගෙ ඔලුව පලන එක normal ද?

නෑ. දැක්කා කියලා ගන්න එකම අවුල්.
BTW my understanding is පංචස්කන්ධය abnormal, අවුල්.
If this reality is seen. Panchaupadana will become panchaskanda.
පංච උපාදාස්කන්ධ මයි පංච උපදානස්කන්ධ වලට හේතුව. උපාදානය අයින් වුණාම එක ආයේ එකක් හදන්න හේතු වෙන්නේ නෑ.

 

[nuwan9999]

you have been taking normal means ok/no issues. i dont see it like that

people smoke cigarettes -
is it normal - yes,
is ok (has no issues) - no (not good for health)

prutakjana mind has avijja
normal - yes
ok - no

Yes this is what I mean

i dont agree on this (withing my understanding, my framwork)

the mind can stop acting on fabricated stories, if the mind is mindful (im not talking about magga/pala) on what the mind is fabricating before taking the action..

Of cause it can stop, but stopping itself is also an action. You can't stay without doing an action - Action can be from mind, body or words

your mind sees the posts i posted and fabricates a story (because of this, and this and that rosh must be maintaining ego)
you take this story as real - yes, rosh really maintains ego

Ok got it, so for you "taking as reality" means you taking that story as real? No other issue since we established the fact that fabricating a story (any story) is normal? Don't you see a far greater issue here?

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නෑ. දැක්කා කියලා ගන්න එකම අවුල්.
BTW my understanding is පංචස්කන්ධය abnormal, අවුල්.
If this reality is seen. Panchaupadana will become panchaskanda.
පංච උපාදාස්කන්ධ මයි පංච උපදානස්කන්ධ වලට හේතුව. උපාදානය අයින් වුණාම එක ආයේ එකක් හදන්න හේතු වෙන්නේ නෑ.

Panchaskanda is always there AFIK, Panchaupadanaskanda is an overlay over panchaskanda, indicating of a being due to avijja.

Like: දැක්ක නම් දැකීමක් සිද්ධවුනා, දැක්ක කෙනෙක් නැහැ
------ Post added on Jul 24, 2026 at 11:30 AM

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Both of you disagreed when i said
මහණෙනි, රූපයම මාරයාය

Still disagree, I am with රෝෂ් අයිය on this one
------ Post added on Jul 24, 2026 at 11:31 AM

 

[Emios]

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Still disagree, I am with රෝෂ් අයිය on this one
------ Post added on Jul 24, 2026 at 11:31 AM

Both are blind

 

[Yeezus]

Both are blind

To decide whether someone's " framework " is right or wrong ( ofc I'm taking about Nibbana/Buddhism framework )
You gotta be an Arihant right

Otherwise... We could be deceived by our own mind

 

[nuwan9999]

Both are blind

අපි දෙන්න අපේ ලෝකෙ, if we both are blind, no such thing as blindness

 

[Emios]

අපි දෙන්න අපේ ලෝකෙ, if we both are blind, no such thing as blindness

But tripitaka words cannot be changed those are not my fabrication

 

[nuwan9999]

To decide whether someone's " framework " is right or wrong ( ofc I'm taking about Nibbana/Buddhism framework )
You gotta be an Arihant right

Otherwise... We could be deceived by our own mind &

Wrong IMHO. when Arihant, all frameworks are null and void - where would you find right & wrong?

 

[Yeezus]

But tripitaka words cannot be changed those are not my fabrication

If you could directly attain salvation through just reading Thripitaks
Why did Buddah not advise to do so

සද්ධර්ම ශ්‍රවණය
කල්‍යාණ මිත්‍ර ආශ්‍රය
ධම්මාන ධම්ම ප්‍රතිපදාව

Where is

ත්‍රිපිටකය කියවන්න ?

 

[Emios]

If you directly attain salvation through just reading Thripitaks
Why did Buddah did not advise so

සද්ධර්ම ශ්‍රවණය
කල්‍යාණ මිත්‍ර ආශ්‍රය
ධම්මාන ධම්ම ප්‍රතිපදාව

Where is

ත්‍රිපිටකය කියවන්න ?

That’s what i asked earlier on the thread too,where is buddas advice to read tripitaka

 

[nuwan9999]

But tripitaka words cannot be changed those are not my fabrication

It is, but let's not go there ... for now

 

[Yeezus]

Wrong IMHO. when Arihant, all frameworks are null and void - where would you find right & wrong?

Buddah can distinguish if someone is noble or not right .. then how can he did so ?
Buddah is even more noble than Arihants right ...

 

[nuwan9999]

If you could directly attain salvation through just reading Thripitaks
Why did Buddah not advise to do so

සද්ධර්ම ශ්‍රවණය
කල්‍යාණ මිත්‍ර ආශ්‍රය
ධම්මාන ධම්ම ප්‍රතිපදාව

Where is

ත්‍රිපිටකය කියවන්න ?

Totally, no point reading it, its just your words and fabrications. No difference to interpret dhamma through your own experience

 

[Emios]

It is, but let's not go there ... for now

 

[nuwan9999]

Buddah can distinguish if someone is noble or not right .. then how can he did so ?
Buddah is even more noble than Arihants right ...

That doesn't mean right and wrong, noble or not means 2 states of mind