සිවිල් ඉංජන්ගෙන් අදහසක් ඕනි.

Gizolaa

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    දැන් අර තායිලන්තේ තට්ටු ගණන් බිල්ඩින් හෙල්ලුනානේ.සමහර ඒවා වැනෙනවත් දැක්ක.එහෙම හෙල්ලුනාම හෝ වනුනහම ඒ බිල්ඩින් වලට හානි වෙන්නේ නැද්ද බන්?ඒවා අලුතෙන් කඩලා හදන්ඩ ඕනෙද නැත්තන් රෙපෙයාර් කරන්ඩ පුලුවන්ද? දන්නේ නැති හින්ද අහන්නේ :baffled:


    හෙනහුරා මාරුවෙනකොටම කෙලියා නේත ?o_O
     

    Mr Bones

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    උස බිල්ඩින් ඩිසයින් කරන්නේ earthquakes වලට ඔරොත්තු දෙන විදියට

    base isolation කියල ටෙක්නික් එකක් තියෙනවා
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    shenat

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    ආශ්චර්යමත් රටක
    Seismic forces walata design karanawa earthquakes tiyena areas wala buildings. Earthquake walath magnitude tiyenawane. Wadi magnitude walata hama ekama design karanne na.

    Issara hadapu building gana danne na. Dan nam Colombo wala hadana building unath seismic events consider karala design karanne.

    Oya buildings uda swimming pools, water tanks hadana ekenuth seismic event ekakadi udawwak wenawa. Minissunta eka waradiy wage hithunata.
     

    nevermindNevergiveup

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    මැදමහනුවර
    උස බිල්ඩින් ඩිසයින් කරන්නේ earthquakes වලට ඔරොත්තු දෙන විදියට

    base isolation කියල ටෙක්නික් එකක් තියෙනවා
    ------ Post added on Mar 30, 2025 at 3:04 AM
    ඒවුනාට ඇතුලෙ තියන කේබල් එහෙම නැවෙන්න පුළුවන්
     

    tarson

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    ඕනෑම ද්රව්‍යක ඇදෙන ප්‍රමානයක් තියෙනව. අපේ ඇහැට පේන්නෙ නැති උනාට කොන්ක්‍රීට් උනත් ඇදෙනව සහ කෙටිවෙනව බර දැම්මම, කම්බි උනත් එහෙමයි. ඒ අඩු වැඩි වීම් උඩට යන්න යන්න එකතු වෙලා, උස වැඩි වෙනකොට ඒක පේන ප්‍රමානෙ වැඩී.
    කොච්චර දුරක් ඇදෙන්න පුලුවන්ද, කොච්චරට වඩා ඇදුනොත් ද කැඩෙන්නෙ කියන එක බිල්ඩින් එක ඩිසයින් කරන ව්‍යුහාත්මක/සිවිල් ඉන්ජිනේරුව ගනන් හදල බලනව. (නෑ ආකිටෙක් නෙමෙයි, ආකිටෙක් කියන්නෙ ගෙවල් අදින චිත්‍ර ශිල්පියෙක් 😌)
    ඒ වගේ පොඩ්ඩක් ඇදුනට ආපහු තියෙන තැනටම යනව (ඉලාස්ටික්). ඒක අව්ලක් නෑ, ඒත් ඒ මට්ටමට එහා ගියොත් තමයි අවුල් යන්නෙ (ප්ලාස්ටික්). ඒත් ඕකත් ගොඩක් සැරයක් උනොත් (fatigue) ඩැමේජ් වෙනව (serviceablility limit), ඊටත් එහා ගියොත් කැඩෙනව (ultimate limit).

    ඇත්තම කතාව ගොඩක් වෙලාවට ඔය බිල්ඩින් වල ගෙවල් තිබ්බ නම්, උන්ව ශේප් කරල තියනව ගොඩක් රජයවල් වලින් "ආහ් අව්ලක් නෑ පොඩ්ඩක් පැලුනට" කියල, එක්කො ඒකෙ ඉන්න එවුන් නඩු කියනව "බාල බිල්ඩින් වල ගෙවල් විකුනල අපිට" කියල.

    කොහොම උනත් බ්ල්ඩිම බිමට සමතලා වෙලා නැත්තන් රෙපෙයාර් කරන්න පුලුවන්. ගොඩක් බිල්ඩින් එහෙම කරනව. කනුවක් කැඩුනත් ඒවටත් ක්‍රම තියෙනව ආපහු ඒ කනු හදන්න. බිල්ඩිමේ අයිති එකා මිනිස්සු මලත් "අනේ මේක පොඩ්ඩක් පැලිල, අපි මේක කඩල අයින් කරමු, මේක අනතුරු දායකයි" කියල කවදාවත් කියන්නෙ නෑ, "කොහොම හරි අටවමු" කියල තමයි කියන්නෙ.
     
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    කොළඹ තියෙන උස බිල්ඩින් තද සුළගට මීටර් 6ක් විතර පැද්දෙන්න හදලා තියෙන්නෙ. ඊට වඩා පැද්දුනොත් outer skin එකට තමා හානි. Main structure එක ඔරොත්තු දෙනවා. කොන්ක්‍රීටි බීම් කැඩුනොත් ගම් දානවා.
     

    imhotep

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    දැන් අර තායිලන්තේ තට්ටු ගණන් බිල්ඩින් හෙල්ලුනානේ.සමහර ඒවා වැනෙනවත් දැක්ක.එහෙම හෙල්ලුනාම හෝ වනුනහම ඒ බිල්ඩින් වලට හානි වෙන්නේ නැද්ද බන්?ඒවා අලුතෙන් කඩලා හදන්ඩ ඕනෙද නැත්තන් රෙපෙයාර් කරන්ඩ පුලුවන්ද? දන්නේ නැති හින්ද අහන්නේ :baffled:


    හෙනහුරා මාරුවෙනකොටම කෙලියා නේත ?o_O

    Earthquakes can cause the buildings to crack sometimes and the damages can be repairable. THe structural damage has too be assessed and suitable remedial action be taken.

    If you visit the NZ parliament somewhere they mention how its built. A system of base isolation has been used with lead-rubber bearings. The Earth may move but the parliament will stay. These isolator bearings were invented by a scientist in NZ.

    There are several other ways of implementing quake mitigation in buildings too.

    PS: I am not a structural engineer. :ROFLMAO:

    කොළඹ තියෙන උස බිල්ඩින් තද සුළගට මීටර් 6ක් විතර පැද්දෙන්න හදලා තියෙන්නෙ. ඊට වඩා පැද්දුනොත් outer skin එකට තමා හානි. Main structure එක ඔරොත්තු දෙනවා. කොන්ක්‍රීටි බීම් කැඩුනොත් ගම් දානවා.
    Even Burj Khalifa is designed to sway 2 m at the top. Note that quakes are different. Its the Earth and the foundations that move.
    ------ Post added on Mar 30, 2025 at 6:49 AM
     

    Janatha Jhon

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    හොද ප්‍රශ්නයක්. සිවිල් ඉංජිනේරුවෙක් කිරියේ ඉන්නවා නං පැහැදිලි කරලා දෙන්නකෝ අපිට.
     

    shenat

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    ආශ්චර්යමත් රටක
    Interesting. Elaborate more please.

    Menna chatgpt eken apu details. Overall hari. Mama details 100% check kare na. 👇🏻


    A water tank or swimming pool in a tall building can act as a tuned liquid damper (TLD), which helps stabilize the structure during an earthquake. Here’s how it works:

    1. Counteracting Vibrations


    • During an earthquake, a tall building experiences swaying due to seismic forces.


    • The water in a tank or pool moves in the opposite direction of the building’s motion (a phenomenon called sloshing).


    • This movement helps counteract the vibrations and reduces the overall sway of the structure.

    2. Energy Dissipation


    • As the water sloshes, it absorbs and dissipates some of the earthquake’s energy.


    • This reduces the impact of seismic forces on the building, preventing excessive movement and potential damage.


    3. Mass Effect


    • A water tank adds extra mass to the building, which can alter the natural frequency of the structure.

    • If designed properly, this can reduce resonance, preventing excessive oscillations that could weaken the building.


    4. Reducing Wind-Induced Vibrations


    • Even in the absence of earthquakes, tall buildings sway due to strong winds.


    • A rooftop swimming pool or water tank can also act as a damping system to minimize these effects.


    Real-World Example

    Many skyscrapers and high-rise buildings use tuned mass dampers (TMDs) or tuned liquid dampers (TLDs) to stabilize motion. For instance:


    • Some modern buildings have large water tanks at the top, specifically designed to reduce sway.


    • The Taipei 101 skyscraper in Taiwan uses a massive pendulum damper, but similar effects can be achieved using water.



    Conclusion

    A strategically placed water tank or swimming pool can help a tall building resist earthquakes by:


    • Reducing sway through counteracting movements.


    • Absorbing seismic energy.


    • Preventing excessive oscillations.


    • Stabilizing against wind-induced motion.




    Would you like more details on the engineering design of such systems?



    Engineering Design of Water Tanks or Swimming Pools as Tuned Liquid Dampers (TLDs)


    Water tanks or swimming pools used as tuned liquid dampers (TLDs) in tall buildings must be carefully designed to maximize their stabilizing effect. Here’s how engineers design and optimize them:

    1. Understanding Tuned Liquid Dampers (TLDs)

    A TLD is a system where a liquid (usually water) moves inside a tank to counteract the building’s motion. The sloshing frequency of the water must match the natural frequency of the building to absorb seismic or wind energy effectively.


    • Key Parameters in TLD Design:


    • Tank Dimensions (Length, Width, Depth) – Affects the sloshing behavior.


    • Water Depth – Determines the natural sloshing frequency.


    • Baffle Design – Helps control and optimize water movement.


    • Placement (Height in the Building) – Typically placed at the top for maximum effect.


    2. Types of Tuned Liquid Dampers


    1. Sloshing Water Tank


    • A simple open tank where water moves freely.


    • Works by counteracting building sway with sloshing motion.


    • Effective for moderate damping but may need additional controls.


    2. Baffled Water Tank


    • Includes vertical or horizontal baffles to control the movement of water.


    • Baffles help optimize energy absorption and prevent excessive splashing.


    • Commonly used in skyscrapers to ensure efficient damping.


    3. Compartmentalized Tanks


    • Divided into sections, each tuned to different frequencies.


    • Helps manage complex multi-directional vibrations.


    • Used in some high-rise buildings with diverse seismic requirements.


    4. Swimming Pool as a TLD


    • Some buildings incorporate rooftop swimming pools as dampers.


    • Engineers optimize pool shape and depth to enhance the stabilizing effect.


    • Example: Some hotels and luxury skyscrapers use pools as part of their damping system.



    3. How Engineers Tune Water Tanks to Match Building Vibrations


    To ensure a water tank or pool stabilizes the building effectively, engineers perform detailed calculations and simulations:

    a) Natural Frequency Matching

    The sloshing frequency (f) of the water must match the building’s natural sway frequency (f_{building}). This is given by:


    f = \frac{1}{2\pi} \sqrt{\frac{g}{L}}

    where:


    • g = gravitational acceleration (9.81 m/s²)


    • L = length of the tank in the direction of movement


    If the building sways at 0.2 Hz, the water tank must be designed to slosh at the same frequency.


    b) Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) & Simulations


    • Engineers use CFD simulations to analyze how water moves under different forces.


    • Finite Element Analysis (FEA) helps predict how much sway reduction can be achieved.


    • Wind tunnel testing and seismic simulations fine-tune the system before construction.


    c) Optimizing Baffles and Tank Shape


    • Baffles slow down excessive water movement, preventing chaotic sloshing.


    • Rectangular tanks are often used for directional damping (side-to-side motion).


    • Circular or elliptical tanks may be used for multi-directional damping.


    4. Real-World Examples of Water-Based Damping Systems


    1. Taipei 101 (Taiwan)


    • Uses a 660-ton tuned mass damper but also incorporates a water damping system in the upper floors.


    • Designed to counteract typhoon winds and earthquakes.


    2. Citigroup Center (New York, USA)


    • Originally designed with a water tank damper to reduce wind-induced sway.


    • Later replaced with a mechanical system due to maintenance concerns.


    3. Shanghai Tower (China)


    • Uses a tuned liquid damper system to handle strong winds and seismic forces.


    • Also has a massive tuned mass damper for added stability.


    4. Rooftop Pools in Skyscrapers


    • Some high-rise buildings use swimming pools as natural dampers.


    • Example: Marina Bay Sands (Singapore) has a famous rooftop infinity pool, which also contributes to building stability.


    5. Advantages and Challenges of Water-Based Damping


    ✅ Advantages:


    ✔ Multi-Purpose – Water tanks and pools serve both structural and practical functions.


    ✔ Energy Dissipation – Natural sloshing motion helps absorb seismic/wind energy.


    ✔ Low Maintenance – Unlike mechanical dampers, TLDs have fewer moving parts.


    ✔ Cost-Effective – No need for additional counterweights or active damping systems.


    ⚠️ Challenges:


    ❌ Requires Precise Design – Must be tuned correctly to be effective.


    ❌ Sloshing Control – If not optimized, water movement can cause instability.


    ❌ Additional Space Needed – Large tanks take up valuable real estate in buildings.



    Conclusion: Engineering Water Tanks for Earthquake Resistance


    • Water tanks & pools can significantly reduce building sway by acting as tuned liquid dampers.


    • Engineering calculations ensure the sloshing motion matches the building’s vibration frequency.


    • Baffles & compartmentalized tanks help optimize performance.


    • Used in skyscrapers, hotels, and towers to enhance earthquake & wind resistance.