AI plane crash preliminary report reveals engine fuel switch changes

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    A preliminary report on the Air India crash that killed 260 people in Ahmedabad last month says the plane's engine fuel switches were flipped off within seconds of each other, starving the engines, three seconds after take-off.

    The Boeing 787 Dreamliner immediately began to lose thrust and altitude, according to the report released by Indian aviation accident investigators.

    It said one pilot could be heard on the cockpit voice recorder asking the other why he cut off the fuel.

    "The other pilot responded that he did not do so," the report said.

    It did not identify which remarks were made by the flight's captain and which by the first officer, nor which pilot transmitted "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday" just before the crash.

    The preliminary report also does not say how the switch could have flipped to the cut-off position on the June 12 London-bound flight.

    US aviation safety expert John Cox said a pilot would not be able to accidentally move the fuel switches that feed the engines.

    "You can't bump them and they move," he said.

    Flipping the switches to the cut-off position almost immediately cuts the engines.

    They are most often used to turn engines off once planes have arrived at their airport gates and in certain emergency situations such as engine fires.

    The report does not indicate there was any emergency requiring an engine cut-off.

    "At this stage of investigation, there are no recommended actions to Boeing 787-8 and/or GEnx-1B engine operators and manufacturers," India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau said.

    The agency, an office under India's civil aviation ministry, is leading the probe into the world's deadliest aviation accident in a decade.


    PS: The report can be found on

    https://aaib.gov.in/What's New Assets/Preliminary Report VT-ANB.pdf

    Extract -

    As per the EAFR, the Engine 1 fuel cutoff switch transitioned from CUTOFF to RUN at about 08:08:52 UTC. The APU Inlet Door began opening at about 08:08:54 UTC, consistent with the APU Auto Start logic. Thereafter at 08:08:56 UTC the Engine 2 fuel cutoff switch also transitions from CUTOFF to RUN. When fuel control switches are moved from CUTOFF to RUN while the aircraft is inflight, each engines full authority dual engine control (FADEC) automatically manages a relight and thrust recovery sequence of ignition and fuel introduction. The EGT was observed to be rising for both engines indicating relight. Engine 1’s core deceleration stopped, reversed and started to progress to recovery. Engine 2 was able to relight but could not arrest core speed deceleration and re-introduced fuel repeatedly to increase core speed acceleration and recovery. The EAFR recording stopped at 08:09:11 UTC At about 08:09:05 UTC, one of the pilots transmitted “MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY”. The ATCO enquired about the call sign. ATCO did not get any response but observed the aircraft crashing outside the airport boundary and activated the emergency response.
     
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    There seem to be quite a many critical findings which were not properly, or entirely not discussed in this video.

    1. In the report it is mentioned that in December 2018, the FAA (the U.S. aviation safety authority) issued a Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin (SAIB) — this is basically a notice to inform airlines about a possible issue, but not a serious one that needs mandatory fixing. The issue was with the fuel control switches on Boeing 737 airplanes. These switches have a locking feature that keeps them safely in place, but some airlines reported that the switches were installed without this lock working properly. Even though this could be a concern, the FAA did not consider it dangerous enough to require a formal safety fix (called an Airworthiness Directive, or AD). It is also mentioned that this 787 Boeing aircraft involved in the incident uses a similar type of fuel switch (part number 4TL837-3D), so this notice might apply to those (B787) models too.

    2.The aircraft achieved the maximum recorded airspeed of 180 Knots IAS at about 08:08:42 UTC and immediately thereafter, the Engine 1 and Engine 2 fuel cutoff switches transitioned from RUN to CUTOFF position one after another with a time gap of 01 sec. The Engine N1 and N2 began to decrease from their take-off values as the fuel supply to the engines was cut off.

    3.. The co-pilot was Pilot Flying (PF), and the PIC was Pilot Monitoring (PM) for the flight.

    4.In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cutoff. The other pilot responded that he did not do so.

    5. Exactly 10 seconds after as per the EAFR, the Engine 1 fuel cutoff switch transitioned from CUTOFF to RUN at about 08:08:52 UTC.

    6. MANY seem to forget that this is a PRELIMINARY REPORT and that the Investigation is continuing and the investigation team will review and examine additional evidence, records and information.
     
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    Report එක කියෙව්වා :

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    A preliminary report on the Air India crash that killed 260 people in Ahmedabad last month says the plane's engine fuel switches were flipped off within seconds of each other, starving the engines, three seconds after take-off.

    The Boeing 787 Dreamliner immediately began to lose thrust and altitude, according to the report released by Indian aviation accident investigators.

    It said one pilot could be heard on the cockpit voice recorder asking the other why he cut off the fuel.

    "The other pilot responded that he did not do so," the report said.

    It did not identify which remarks were made by the flight's captain and which by the first officer, nor which pilot transmitted "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday" just before the crash.

    The preliminary report also does not say how the switch could have flipped to the cut-off position on the June 12 London-bound flight.

    US aviation safety expert John Cox said a pilot would not be able to accidentally move the fuel switches that feed the engines.

    "You can't bump them and they move," he said.

    Flipping the switches to the cut-off position almost immediately cuts the engines.

    They are most often used to turn engines off once planes have arrived at their airport gates and in certain emergency situations such as engine fires.

    The report does not indicate there was any emergency requiring an engine cut-off.

    "At this stage of investigation, there are no recommended actions to Boeing 787-8 and/or GEnx-1B engine operators and manufacturers," India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau said.

    The agency, an office under India's civil aviation ministry, is leading the probe into the world's deadliest aviation accident in a decade.


    PS: The report can be found on

    https://aaib.gov.in/What's New Assets/Preliminary Report VT-ANB.pdf

    Extract -

    As per the EAFR, the Engine 1 fuel cutoff switch transitioned from CUTOFF to RUN at about 08:08:52 UTC. The APU Inlet Door began opening at about 08:08:54 UTC, consistent with the APU Auto Start logic. Thereafter at 08:08:56 UTC the Engine 2 fuel cutoff switch also transitions from CUTOFF to RUN. When fuel control switches are moved from CUTOFF to RUN while the aircraft is inflight, each engines full authority dual engine control (FADEC) automatically manages a relight and thrust recovery sequence of ignition and fuel introduction. The EGT was observed to be rising for both engines indicating relight. Engine 1’s core deceleration stopped, reversed and started to progress to recovery. Engine 2 was able to relight but could not arrest core speed deceleration and re-introduced fuel repeatedly to increase core speed acceleration and recovery. The EAFR recording stopped at 08:09:11 UTC At about 08:09:05 UTC, one of the pilots transmitted “MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY”. The ATCO enquired about the call sign. ATCO did not get any response but observed the aircraft crashing outside the airport boundary and activated the emergency response.
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