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Chrome fetch mac and internal ip directly from the OS therefore the problem of NAT is gone!
Ponz, MACs only need to be unique in a single broadcast domain because it works on L2. Private IPs also can be duplicated in the same organization and manged using NAT (not recommended cos it makes shit complex)
So even if you manage to find my private IP from the Keels (say there were 2 people who trolled you on EK at the same time), how are you going to say it was me and only me who did?
Also Proxies don't record MACs (only usernames/IPs) and I don't think that google tracks the MAC cos it is actually useless to store it cos it has no value.
And finally "Non-Repudiation" means the person cannot deny that it was he who did it. In this case they can easily dispute since the shit isn't unique.
Google Chrome do track all these details. They have telemetry, crash reporting etc .
> So even if you manage to find my private IP from the Keels (say there were 2 people who trolled you on EK at the same time), how are you going to say it was me and only me who did?
Learn about suspects and search space. We arrest both and may use sweet techniques to get bottom to the truth.
LKA police may kick your balls multiple times, but in the West other techniques are used..
> And finally "Non-Repudiation" means the person cannot deny that it was he who did it. In this case they can easily dispute since the shit isn't unique.
Police don't care as nothing is unique even Phone Numbers. Everything is recycled or can be forged
That's why we have Forensics.
Again, I am not sure if chrome/firefox/any other browser is allowed to fetch these details legally. Can you show proof that they actually fetch this and we have been knowingly or unknowingly given consent to do so?Chrome fetch mac and internal ip directly from the OS therefore the problem of NAT is gone!
Google Chrome do track all these details. They have telemetry, crash reporting etc .
> So even if you manage to find my private IP from the Keels (say there were 2 people who trolled you on EK at the same time), how are you going to say it was me and only me who did?
Learn about suspects and search space. We arrest both and may use sweet techniques to get bottom to the truth.
LKA police may kick your balls multiple times, but in the West other techniques are used..
> And finally "Non-Repudiation" means the person cannot deny that it was he who did it. In this case they can easily dispute since the shit isn't unique.
Police don't care as nothing is unique even Phone Numbers. Everything is recycled or can be forged
That's why we have Forensics.
Anything that hasn't been fetched legally cannot be used in a case can be easily disputed. So is your theory about getting everyone suspicous and beating the shit out of it.
Anyways I am interested in seen your answer for my first question.
Wish I could share the report with you, but I can't legally do so
You can yourself search the Chrome source code. Ask yourself why projects like https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium or Tor exists in the wild
You also can go to https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/extensions and enter this to the devtools console and it will log your machine's network interfaces,
chrome.system.network.getNetworkInterfaces((i) => console.log(i))
As for Firefox, see here https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/policy/transparency/
> Anything that hasn't been fetched legally cannot be used in a case can be easily disputed
https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...uys-data-from-dubai-in-crackdown-on-tax-fraud
Germany's Tax Authority bribed a Dubai Bank's employee and extracted German Citizen banking records
Disputes can take years and legally expensive.
You want privacy? Use Tor, but be careful about Browser Exploits and Malicious Exit Nodes
So again, if nothin has been legally obtained it is no good. So these so called rules against trolls and shit will not stand a chance against proper legal defense.Wish I could share the report with you, but I can't legally do so
You can yourself search the Chrome source code. Ask yourself why projects like https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium or Tor exists in the wild
You also can go to https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/extensions and enter this to the devtools console and it will log your machine's network interfaces,
chrome.system.network.getNetworkInterfaces((i) => console.log(i))
As for Firefox, see here https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/policy/transparency/
> Anything that hasn't been fetched legally cannot be used in a case can be easily disputed
https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...uys-data-from-dubai-in-crackdown-on-tax-fraud
Germany's Tax Authority bribed a Dubai Bank's employee and extracted German Citizen banking records
Disputes can take years and legally expensive.
You want privacy? Use Tor, but be careful about Browser Exploits and Malicious Exit Nodes
And I think people are more knowledgeable than what they used to be.
Also just because the dev tools let you get info like that (probably allowing you to debug shit on your own) I don't think that they will get in to scandals by extracting all that info atleast without getting consent of the users.
and TOR aren't secure as you think it is. You just need to compromise one node and you will be caught with your pants pulled down.
මට දැන් බයියො මොක්කුද කියලත් මතක නෑ බන්. එච්චරටම බයියො වැහි වැහැල අරූගෙ රෙදි හෝදන්න
Tor is more secure than what you already have with a corp proxy
It's just weak for those who hiding from NSA and it's always safe from subpoenas.
> Also just because the dev tools let you get info like that (probably allowing you to debug shit on your own)
The API is exposed to Google websites. Now, what do you say?
Try invoking the API from other websites, you will get an error. The Google JS code query the API.
> I don't think that they will get in to scandals by extracting all that info atleast without getting consent of the users.
Each to their own. When you install Chrome, you give contest to them.
> And I think people are more knowledgeable than what they used to be.
Sarcasm.
> So these so called rules against trolls and shit will not stand a chance against proper legal defense.
If you have money, That's another story. It's always cheap to pay the person who you trolled than spending on lawyers.
> Also just because the dev tools let you get info like that (probably allowing you to debug shit on your own) I don't think that they will get in to scandals by extracting all that info atleast without getting consent of the users.
You're in denial.
Why would I lie to you If I don't have experience in subpoenaing Chrome and Mozilla?
මට දැන් බයියො මොක්කුද කියලත් මතක නෑ බන්. එච්චරටම බයියො වැහි වැහැල අරූගෙ රෙදි හෝදන්න
wediyen inne, ekama ekage fake ban, @nicjosh83 witharak fake 10 run karanawalu
Never said that corp proxies are secure. And never say that TOR is secure either. May be better than what you have right now but not unbreakable.Tor is more secure than what you already have with a corp proxy
It's just weak for those who hiding from NSA and it's always safe from subpoenas.
> Also just because the dev tools let you get info like that (probably allowing you to debug shit on your own)
The API is exposed to Google websites. Now, what do you say?
Try invoking the API from other websites, you will get an error. The Google JS code query the API.
> I don't think that they will get in to scandals by extracting all that info atleast without getting consent of the users.
Each to their own. When you install Chrome, you give contest to them.
> And I think people are more knowledgeable than what they used to be.
Sarcasm.
> So these so called rules against trolls and shit will not stand a chance against proper legal defense.
If you have money, That's another story. It's always cheap to pay the person who you trolled than spending on lawyers.
> Also just because the dev tools let you get info like that (probably allowing you to debug shit on your own) I don't think that they will get in to scandals by extracting all that info atleast without getting consent of the users.
You're in denial.
Why would I lie to you If I don't have experience in subpoenaing Chrome and Mozilla?
And regarding extracting details such as private IPs, MACs etc --> will not agree until I see the agreement which you say we agree to when installing them.
Underhand shit can happen anytime. But I am pretty sure that login data and storing to this extent without consent and then providing them upon legal requests will just open a shit load of law suits in west (not here). Therefore I don't think that companies like Google, Firefox will risk it.
And if you disagree --> Just show the proof. Else leave it at that.
Its part of being in the internet. It's still the only medium where people can actually say what they actually feel about something to another person honestly without any repurcusions.... That should not be taken away
Keep the conversation going gents. Please ignore attention-seeking imbeciles @hasithayad and @SLK_sri. 
ජංගි පොන්ස්Keep the conversation going gents. Please ignore attention-seeking imbeciles @hasithayad and @SLK_sri.
Tor anonymity unbreakable unless you have ton of R&D money.
We're talking about a troll not Bin Laden. Therefore, TOR is more safe for trolls compared to a corp proxy.
I won't show you proof because I can't legally do so. It's real and you can see it from Firefox Transparency reports. Why would anyone subpoena Mozilla (even Google) if they don't get MAC, Internal IPs and among other things
If you think Chrome is the only way to get those details, you can also get those from your OS vendor even Anti Virus companies
Microsoft make things so easy. As for anti virus, you can subpoena 15 major anti virus companies and they will come back with whatever record they have with the user.
You can be like Putin and deny any malicious activity but no one cares
https://news.sky.com/story/vladimir...-cyber-war-against-the-united-states-12332296
Tor anonymity unbreakable unless you have ton of R&D money.
We're talking about a troll not Bin Laden. Therefore, TOR is more safe for trolls compared to a corp proxy.
I won't show you proof because I can't legally do so. It's real and you can see it from Firefox Transparency reports. Why would anyone subpoena Mozilla (even Google) if they don't get MAC, Internal IPs and among other things
If you think Chrome is the only way to get those details, you can also get those from your OS vendor even Anti Virus companies
Microsoft make things so easy. As for anti virus, you can subpoena 15 major anti virus companies and they will come back with whatever record they have with the user.
You can be like Putin and deny any malicious activity but no one cares
https://news.sky.com/story/vladimir...-cyber-war-against-the-united-states-12332296
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I won't show you proof because I can't legally do so. It's real and you can see it from Firefox Transparency reports. Why would anyone subpoena Mozilla (even Google) if they don't get MAC, Internal IPs and among other things
If you think Chrome is the only way to get those details, you can also get those from your OS vendor even Anti Virus companies
Microsoft make things so easy. As for anti virus, you can subpoena 15 major anti virus companies and they will come back with whatever record they have with the user.
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Aney palayan ban yanna. If it isn't legally obtained no chance of using it as evidence in courts. Stop watching hacking/spy movies ban. Forensics wala one basic thing is you need to obtain the evidence in a way that it can be used in courts.
> Aney palayan ban yanna"
I won't show you proof because I can't legally do so. It's real and you can see it from Firefox Transparency reports. Why would anyone subpoena Mozilla (even Google) if they don't get MAC, Internal IPs and among other things
If you think Chrome is the only way to get those details, you can also get those from your OS vendor even Anti Virus companies
Microsoft make things so easy. As for anti virus, you can subpoena 15 major anti virus companies and they will come back with whatever record they have with the user.
"
Aney palayan ban yanna. If it isn't legally obtained no chance of using it as evidence in courts. Stop watching hacking/spy movies ban. Forensics wala one basic thing is you need to obtain the evidence in a way that it can be used in courts.
> Stop watching hacking/spy movies ban
I don't watch this kind of movies.
But this says a lot of about you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
> If it isn't legally obtained no chance of using it as evidence in courts
Everything is obtained legally thru Subpoenas.
I have no desire to lie you. Also, I have no desire to convince you to believe me. I have provided you empirical proof.
Kiyawala waren> Aney palayan ban yanna
> Stop watching hacking/spy movies ban
I don't watch this kind of movies.
But this says a lot of about you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
> If it isn't legally obtained no chance of using it as evidence in courts
Everything is obtained legally thru Subpoenas.
I have no desire to lie you. Also, I have no desire to convince you to believe me. I have provided you empirical proof.
https://www.adn.com/nation-world/20...bi-turned-to-an-obscure-company-in-australia/
Also read this (part of CISSP)
https://flylib.com/books/en/2.930.1.132/1/
Subpoenas are legal. What's illegal is bribing someone at Google and getting the data.
subpoenas legal --> only if the data was obtained legally. That is why I said show me proof that chrome/firefox obtains it legally (the agreement we click yes to comply with this) and this argument is closed. Else they cannot submit it to courts and if they do that will fuck up the entire case.Subpoenas are legal. What's illegal is bribing someone at Google and getting the data.
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