AS per Ancient Glory:QURAN has NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF & IT HAS ERRORS

[AncientGlory]

This sentence can have two meanings and both are correct:
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As always this is the original link of this copy paste stuff..

http://www.quranenglish.com/tafheem_quran/036-2.htm

1-The sun does not have the power that it should draw the moon into itself, or enter its orbit and collide with it; and

Care to explain more? I can't understand this.

2-the sun cannot appear in the times which have been appointed for the rising and appearing of the moon. It is not possible that the sun should suddenly appear on the horizon when the moon is shining at night.

Two images(among many) where sun and moon appear at the same time.

 

[AncientGlory]

"Everything in the world has been created on the principle of the pairs. The whole system of the Universe is functioning on the principle that certain things are complementary and matching to certain others, and their combination brings into being countless new forms and combinations. Nothing here is so unique as may have no match, for the fact is that a thing becomes productive only after it has combined with its matching partner. " (For further explanation, sec E.N. 31 of Surah Ya Sin, and' E.N. 12 of Az-Zukhruf).

The original links

http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=51&verse=47&to=60

http://www.quranenglish.com/tafheem_quran/051.htm

That is, "The erection of the whole Universe on the principle of the pairs and the existence of all things in the world in couples is a reality that testifies .

I'm guessing you never did physics right? Can you tell me what is the pair(symmetrical particle) of a photon??

Let me make it easier for you. Majorana particles like photons do not have an antiparticle.

expressly to the necessity of the Hereafter. If you consider it deeply you will yourself come to the conclusion that when everything in the world has a partner and nothing becomes productive without combining with its partner, how can the life of the world be without a match and partner? Its match and partner necessarily is the Hereafter. Without that partner it would be absolutely fruitless."

You never did biology in high school did you? (Me neither by the way). Anyway ever heard of a thing called 'asexual animals'?? Guess what? They do not come in pairs.

Here's the link for you to educate yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual_reproduction

 

[AncientGlory]

I just want to reiterate on the issue of 6days creation of heaven and earth.


The general outline of the development of the heavens and the earth is summarized into three stages mentioned in Surat (Fussilat, verses 9-12); where Allah says:

((قُلْ أَئِنَّكُمْ لَتَكْفُرُونَ بِالَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَرْضَ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ وَتَجْعَلُونَ لَهُ أَندَاداً ذَلِكَ رَبُّ الْعَالَمِينَ)) (فصلت:9)

Which means: ((Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two days? and do ye join equals with Him? He is The Lord of (all) the worlds)). (Quran 41:9)

((وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ مِن فَوْقِهَا وَبَارَكَ فِيهَا وَقَدَّرَ فِيهَا أَقْوَاتَهَا فِي أَرْبَعَةِ أَيَّامٍ سَوَاء لِّلسَّائِلِينَ)) (فصلت:10)

Which means: (( He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured there in all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek sustenance)). (Quran 41:10)

((ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى إِلَى السَّمَاء وَهِيَ دُخَانٌ فَقَالَ لَهَا وَلِلْأَرْضِ اِئْتِيَا طَوْعاً أَوْ كَرْهاً قَالَتَا أَتَيْنَا طَائِعِينَ فَقَضَاهُنَّ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ وَأَوْحَى فِي كُلِّ سَمَاء أَمْرَهَا وَزَيَّنَّا السَّمَاء الدُّنْيَا بِمَصَابِيحَ وَحِفْظاً ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ)) (فصلت:11-12)

Which means: ((Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) "smoke": He said to it and to earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly" They said: "we do come (together) in willing obedience." So he completed them as seven firmaments in two days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command, and we adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the decree of (Him) The Exalted in Might, full of knowledge)). (Quran 41:11-12)

How old is the Universe?

A- Scientific approach: Astronomers estimate the age of the universe by different methods. Two ways are essential: 1) by looking for the oldest stars; and 2) by measuring the rate of expansion of the universe and the expansion rate tell them how long the galaxies have been traveling since the big bang, and thus provide a rough age for the Universe NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) project estimates the age of the universe to be: (13.73 ± 0.12) × 109 years. The age of the universe is about three times the age of the earth.

Universe Age from Microwave Background


The above sky map tells us the universe is 13.7 billion years old -- but how? At first look, one only sees the microwave glow of gas from our Milky Way Galaxy, coded red, and a spotty pattern of microwaves emitted from the early universe, coded in gray. The gray cosmic microwave background is light that used to bounce around randomly but came directly to us when the expanding universe became cool enough for nearly transparent atoms to form. A close inspection of the spots reveals a slightly preferred angular distance between them. One expects such a pattern to be generated by sound emanating from slightly over-dense regions of the early universe. Sound waves will take time to generate such a pattern, and the present age of the universe can then be directly extrapolated. The above universe age is estimated to be accurate to better than 0.2 billion years. The above map was taken by the WMAP satellite orbiting the Sun at the L2 point, just outside the orbit of the Earth.

B- Qur’anic approach: In Glorious Qur’an Allah says:

((قُلْ سِيرُوا فِي الْأَرْضِ فَانظُرُوا كَيْفَ بَدَأَ الْخَلْقَ ثُمَّ اللَّهُ يُنشِئُ النَّشْأَةَ الْآخِرَةَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِير)) (العنكبوت:20)

Which means: ((Travel in the land and see how (Allâh) originated creation, and then Allâh will bring forth the creation of the Hereafter (i.e. resurrection after death). Verily, Allâh is Able to do all things)). (Quran 29:20)

In this verse Allah commanded people to wake in the earth and look how creation began? The verse has different meanings; it may refer to the beginning of life where creatures appeared for the first time in the earth, or the successive appearance of organisms through time. I think that the word creation is very broad including the creation of life as well as the universe.

I think that the stages of creation mentioned in the previous verses give a key for geologist to determine the age of the universe. Such determination based in two findings:

a- Assuming that these thee stages are equal in time.

b- One stage of them represents the geologic time scale where Allah says: (( He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured there in all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four days, in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek sustenance)). (Quran 41:10)

Then the multiplication the age of the earth by three gives the age of the universe:

Age of the universe = 3x4.56 = 13.68 billion years [oldest rock of the earth is Acasta Gneiss, Northern Canada about 3.96 Billion Years, oldest mineral crystals on Earth is Zircon, Jack Hills Conglomerate. Age of the Earth - 4.56 Billion Years]

Oldest mineral crystals on Earth is Zircon

Let's just forget talking about the science here for a moment.

Did you even realize that the above information you copied from this link , completely contradicts with this link which you used to copy information for post #44??

You have no idea what you are talking about do you? You copy stuff from internet from people who in turn have no idea what they are talking about. Then you post these contradictory ideas in the same thread. Did you even try to read the articles and try to understand?

 

[AncientGlory]

okay here is a simple question, according to your logic approximately 4.5 billion years (the time which took to create earth) can be 6 periods of time (days) for god. Then a day for god goes about 0.75 billion years. and finally god took a rest a day. and i bet he must be resting even now according to your logic.

But still you can say that after the creation of world god took rest for one earthly days. then why couldn't god create world in 6 human days. How can you tell when god decide to switch between time periods?
moreover if your god is almighty as you say why should he take that much of time to create earth. he could have created in just within a moment of a thought.

and can you please quote some phrases in quran which says that time or days are relative to god. AND REMEMBER IF THERE IS AN ALMIGHTY EVERYTHING WHICH OCCUR IS RELATIVE TO HIM. If god is relative to anything why call him god anyway?

P.S as far as i remember it was a muslim guy who posted that god exist out of time.

Machan,

I think you and I both will agree that the argument presented by I_love_Srilanka is just aligning something written in quran with a modern science. Luckily for them, the special theory of relativity can be used to explain, how 6 days can indeed be six periods.

I've thought about this and I think all your questions can be answered using relativity and Omnimax GOD concept. Now I may be wrong BTW.

 

[AncientGlory]

Allah dont know Modern embryology. Also he doesnt know Astronomy.

I agree with this one. Modern embryology and Astronomy are just two things among many other he doesn't know.

 

[dilankandy]

Machan,

I think you and I both will agree that the argument presented by I_love_Srilanka is just aligning something written in quran with a modern science. Luckily for them, the special theory of relativity can be used to explain, how 6 days can indeed be six periods.

I've thought about this and I think all your questions can be answered using relativity and Omnimax GOD concept. Now I may be wrong BTW.

yeah dude i agree. I already know the answers. i wanted to hear it from them. according to them god is not relative to anything. and if he is omnimax why take time anyway? I'm not in to these god arguments any more cause i realize that its only a waste of my time. but in here if you just say something the answers muslims give us are enough to laugh for a whole month... have fun..

 

[dilankandy]

Err..Guys...
Allah dont know Modern embryology. Also he doesnt know Astronomy.
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now there is a reason why it is called MODERN embryology.

 

[Wal Bada]

YOU DUMB IDIOT .. ITS A SLANG FOR SHOOTING STARS ... YOU MORAN.. DON'T READ AS IT SAYS.. TRY TO GET THE IDEA BEHIND IT ...

Then these "stars" are in the first layer of the seven heavens. Sun and moon are much away from them. So the "shooting stars" or asteroids are closer to earth than sun and moon? LMAO. Sun is 1 AU away, and 1st asteroid belt is 4 AU away from sun, and the Oort belt is 100 - 1000 AU away from sun. But Allah says (shooting) stars are closer to earth than sun and moon?

 

[Wal Bada]

Absolutely happy to see your posts, I had a break for eid.only now I could access the net. alleged verse means

We have not created this universe dark, dismal and desolate, but have decked and decorated it with stars, the glory and grandeur of which at night strike man with amazement. also it doesn't mean that the stars themselves are pelted at the Satans, nor that the meteorites shoot out only to drive away the Satans, but it means that the countless meteorites which originate from the stars and wander in space at tremendous speeds and which also fall to the earth in a continuous shower prevent the Satans of the earth from ascending to the heavens. Even if they try to ascend heavenward these meteorites drive them away. This thing has been mentioned here because the Arabs believed about the soothsayers, and this also was the claim made by the soothsayers themselves, that the Satans were under their control, or that they had a close contact with them, and through them they received news of the unseen, and thus, could foretell the destinies of the people. That is why at several places in the Qur'an, it has been stated that there is absolutely no possibility of the Satans' ascending to the heavens and bringing news of the unseen.
As for the truth about meteorites, man's information in this regard is still without a scientific basis. However, the theory which seems best to account for all the facts known today and the information gathered from the examination of the meteorites fallen on the earth, is that meteorites originate from the disintegration of one or more planets and wander in space and sometimes fall to the earth under its gravitational pull

Now the million dollar question. Who has said this interpretation is correct? Does Quran any where say the above interpretation? or is it in Hadiths? or you just made it up?

 

[Wal Bada]

When looking at the quran the plain meaning is what we can see directly. Now people interpret it in different ways, sometimes the meaning is unbelievable, and has a very remote connection to the original words used in the verse.

This is one defense mechanism that Muslims use. But Allah has stated in the Quran itself, he has made it simple to ne understood by Arabs. What was said in Quran should be interpreted using vocabulary of the 6th century AD, because if we use our modern vocab, then it turns out that early muslims would have not understood the quran properly, not even Muhamad himself! Allah asked Muslims to believe Quran’s literal meaning and clearly forbade any interpretations of Allah’s eternal divine words. Quranic verse: 3:7—clearly prohibited to accept anybody’s interpretation of Allah’s eternal words.

SHAKIR: He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.

 

[AncientGlory]

I'm Neither running away nor evading. again your talk prove you are useless. for your 2nd post, I answered you with Dr Zakir video Answer to Dr. William chambell when the same question posted by Dr.William chambell in that event. if you are ignorant to see that video, we are not responsible for that.

What is that video supposed to be explaining ? Would you care to explain how it explain the question in hand?

 

[AncientGlory]

This is one defense mechanism that Muslims use. But Allah has stated in the Quran itself, he has made it simple to ne understood by Arabs. What was said in Quran should be interpreted using vocabulary of the 6th century AD, because if we use our modern vocab, then it turns out that early muslims would have not understood the quran properly, not even Muhamad himself! Allah asked Muslims to believe Quran’s literal meaning and clearly forbade any interpretations of Allah’s eternal divine words. Quranic verse: 3:7—clearly prohibited to accept anybody’s interpretation of Allah’s eternal words.

Nice, This is really important. Thanks for bringing this up.

 

[AncientGlory]

yeah dude i agree. I already know the answers. i wanted to hear it from them. according to them god is not relative to anything. and if he is omnimax why take time anyway? I'm not in to these god arguments any more cause i realize that its only a waste of my time. but in here if you just say something the answers muslims give us are enough to laugh for a whole month... have fun..

You are right man. All of it.

 

[AncientGlory]

This sentence can have two meanings and both are correct:

1-The sun does not have the power that it should draw the moon into itself, or enter its orbit and collide with it; and

2-the sun cannot appear in the times which have been appointed for the rising and appearing of the moon. It is not possible that the sun should suddenly appear on the horizon when the moon is shining at night.

Nor does this happen either that the night should approach before the appointed period of the day comes to an end, and should start spreading its darkness suddenly during the time when the day is meant to spread its light.

The word falak in Arabic is used for the orbit of the planets, and it gives a different meaning from the word sama' (sky). The sentence, "Each is gliding in its own orbit," points to four realities:

-That not only the sun and the moon but all the stars and planets and celestial bodies are moving;

-the falak, or orbit, of each one of them is separate;

-that the orbits are not moving with the stars in them, but the stars are moving in the orbits; and

-that the movement of the stars in their orbits is similar to the floating of something in a fluid.

These verses are not intended to describe the realities of astronomy, but are meant to make man understand that if he looks around himself, with open eyes, and uses his common sense, he will find countless and limitless proofs of the existence of God and His Unity, and he will not come across a single proof of atheism and shirk

By the way, this answer of yours does not explain how sun floats in an orbit. Which was the original question.

It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
-quran 36:40 (Pickthal)

Sun floats in an orbit?

 

[dilankandy]

By the way, this answer of yours does not explain how sun floats in an orbit. Which was the original question.

Okay man, i bet this would be their answer

" You morons doesn't understand this simple thing. In original quran it doesn't say sun float in an orbit. what says is that sun just moves. the translation has errors. in arabic quran they used the same word for path and moving or orbiting. And see Quran is scientific. It is the book of god. so it cannot be false"

 

[IcedEarth]

Okay man, i bet this would be there answer

" You morons doesn't understand this simple thing. In original quran it doesn't say sun float in an orbit. what says is that sun just moves. the translation has errors. in arabic quran they used the same word for path and moving or orbiting. And see Quran is scientific. It is the book of god. so it cannot be false"

 

[AncientGlory]

Okay man, i bet this would be their answer

" You morons doesn't understand this simple thing. In original quran it doesn't say sun float in an orbit. what says is that sun just moves. the translation has errors. in arabic quran they used the same word for path and moving or orbiting. And see Quran is scientific. It is the book of god. so it cannot be false"

It comes to the language card in the end ey?

 

[I love Srilanka]

By the way, this answer of yours does not explain how sun floats in an orbit. Which was the original question.

for Long time I was not accessing internet, sorry for late replies.

Ancientglory,..again and again you are interpreting the words directly.anyway this will explain you.

in this verse Arabic word ‘Yasbahoon’, is derived from the word ‘Sabaha’, which describes the motion of a moving body. If I say that a man is doing ‘Sabaha’ on the ground, it will not mean that he is rolling - it will mean he is either walking or running. If I say a person is doing ‘Sabaha’ in the water, it will not mean he is floating - it will mean he is swimming. Similarly, when the Qur'an uses the word ‘Yasbahoon’ - derived from ‘Sabaha’, for a celestial body - it will not mean… it is flying, it will mean, it is rotating about its own axis.

 

[I love Srilanka]

The original links

http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=51&verse=47&to=60

http://www.quranenglish.com/tafheem_quran/051.htm


I'm guessing you never did physics right? Can you tell me what is the pair(symmetrical particle) of a photon??

Let me make it easier for you. Majorana particles like photons do not have an antiparticle.


You never did biology in high school did you? (Me neither by the way). Anyway ever heard of a thing called 'asexual animals'?? Guess what? They do not come in pairs.

Here's the link for you to educate yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual_reproduction

Frankly, you are correct. I'm not a science student,I'm just a Business man who studied ARTS, being a non science student if I can challenge you, Just imagine how can a well studied Science person can refute you..You will have hard times surely. anyway with the limited knowledge and with the available resources I am going to still debate you until the falsehood perish.

As usual You again wrong, with regard to this Noble Verse, we see Allah Almighty Declaring that of everything that He created, He Created pairs or two kinds for them. This Noble Verse does not speak about sexual reproduction. It clearly and indisputably Says that of every kind of creation out there, two kinds of this creation/species exist. To us, we might think of them as males and females,
but this is not always correct.

you can refer to this site for more reference. http://www.answering-christianity.com/of_everything_pairs_are_created.htm

 

[dilankandy]

for Long time I was not accessing internet, sorry for late replies.

Ancientglory,..again and again you are interpreting the words directly.anyway this will explain you.

in this verse Arabic word ‘Yasbahoon’, is derived from the word ‘Sabaha’, which describes the motion of a moving body. If I say that a man is doing ‘Sabaha’ on the ground, it will not mean that he is rolling - it will mean he is either walking or running. If I say a person is doing ‘Sabaha’ in the water, it will not mean he is floating - it will mean he is swimming. Similarly, when the Qur'an uses the word ‘Yasbahoon’ - derived from ‘Sabaha’, for a celestial body - it will not mean… it is flying, it will mean, it is rotating about its own axis.

I owe Ancient glory the biggest "I told you so" in the century!!!