DO NOT BUY: Cars with wet timing belts!

[hrm]

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Sounds like you missed this thread

https://forums.autolanka.com/topic/19620-honda-civic-2018
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No wonder if it's a FK6. Is Honda the only Jap manufacturer to use wet timing belts?

 

[Hyaenidae]

No wonder if it's a FK6.

It is and I'm very impressed the owner kept the car this long after everything he went through

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Is Honda the only Jap manufacturer to use wet timing belts?

Even honda doesn't use it in their vehicles made in Japan afaik, this is only seen in UK-made Hondas
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[hrm]

It is and I'm very impressed the owner kept the car this long after everything he went through

Seriously. You could make up your mind if it's a high end German but I don't see the point for spending that much for a regular Honda. Seems all Euro based models need to have the same level of maintenance.

 

[tharakaf]

Ado thats awful lot of problems for a new car machan..

Yeah, but the car is worth it ban. you can see middle class panties dropping on the road side

 

[fdk]

4d46U wet or dry, I know it has a timing belt and not a chain

 

[Hyaenidae]

4d46U wet or dry, I know it has a timing belt and not a chain

Seems like Honda's the only japanese car company that uses wet timing belts so you should be safe

 

[dinuksha_asela]

Yeah, but the car is worth it ban. you can see middle class panties dropping on the road side

But i wouldnt mind spending that much money for at least a F10 (petrol not the tractor powered diesel).. but even those are now even jacked up the prices which doesnt make any sense for a old euro.

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Thing is you never know - for example, if you watched the video you'd see that the small particles peeling off the belt clog the oil pickup over time. Dropping the oil pan and cleaning the oil pickup is NOT a routine maintenance work done in any car (because usually there is no need to) so you wouldn't know your oil pickup is clogged until the low oil pressure light comes on and then it might be too late.

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Sounds like you missed this thread

https://forums.autolanka.com/topic/19620-honda-civic-2018
------ Post added on Dec 19, 2024 at 2:02 PM

I know Miznads one ne.. know him personally.. too bad..
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[batwise]

This is true, I changed 50008's belt at 50,000 km.
Now engine oil burning issue, and have to go through over 700K repair.

Have 2003 Prado 120, haven't done a single major engine repair yet except tune ups. Changed suspensions on 2019. Cost only 200K.

But can't match the comfort level of Peugeot

 

[Hyaenidae]

This is true, I changed 50008's belt at 50,000 km.
Now engine oil burning issue, and have to go through over 700K repair.

Have 2003 Prado 120, haven't done a single major engine repair yet except tune ups. Changed suspensions on 2019. Cost only 200K.

But can't match the comfort level of Peugeot

This is blatant planned obsolescence and you as a consumer should not enable it

 

[tKia]

This is common for most cars with 1l turbo engine. I have a Ford focus with 1l Turbo and have the wet belt inside the engine. You need to use Ford recommended engine oil, they have a special standard. Ford recommend to change timing belt at 100,000 miles (160000km). I always do the oil change from the agent and they have the recommended oil

 

[Hyaenidae]

This is common for most cars with 1l turbo engine.

*European cars with 1L - 1.5L engines

Ford recommend to change timing belt at 100,000 miles (160000km). I always do the oil change from the agent and they have the recommended oil

If you watched the video you'd see that the recommended interval is way too long

You can see the oil pickup starting to get clogged at just 66K miles

here's what would happen if you wait 100K miles to replace it

 

[tKia]

If you watched the video you'd see that the recommended interval is way too long

You can see the oil pickup starting to get clogged at just 66K miles

here's what would happen if you wait till 100K miles to replace it

Yeah, I never wait until 100k miles, planning to do the change around 80k km or before 10 years, now it is 6.5 years and around 50k kms. It takes one day to do the job to change wet belt since they need to disassemble the engine. The problem is most people who purchased these vehicles don't know how it works, so they go to any service center and use engine oil that matches to the viscosity or oil recommended by the service center guys. This increases the wet belt degradation.

 

[Hyaenidae]

The problem is most people who purchased these vehicles don't know how it works

A fundamentally flawed design like this should never have been adopted by manufacturers. Japanese manufacturers were never interested in it for a reason

 

[hrm]

This is true, I changed 50008's belt at 50,000 km.
Now engine oil burning issue, and have to go through over 700K repair.

So is this related to the timing belt or any other issue with the engine?

 

[Hyaenidae]

So is this related to the timing belt or any other issue with the engine?

Could be the circulating bits of timing belt caused oil starvation and wore out the engine prematurely

 

[Lakshan-Seram]

*European cars with 1L - 1.5L engines




If you watched the video you'd see that the recommended interval is way too long

You can see the oil pickup starting to get clogged at just 66K miles

here's what would happen if you wait 100K miles to replace it

ekata parana badu. thel gehuwa oil maru kara diwwa.

timing chain uthath oya tika thama gewnama timing off. maru karanna engine eka banna one

 

[Hyaenidae]

timing chain uthath oya tika thama gewnama timing off. maru karanna engine eka banna one

Pretty sure you'll easily get 500,000 kms out of those with regular oil changes

Unlike these wet belts that need replacing every 50K.

I've decided to switch to full synthetic for the Lancer from next service onwards, the price gap between synthetic and conventional oil is too little to keep using it

 

[Lakshan-Seram]

Pretty sure you'll easily get 500,000 kms out of those with regular oil changes

Unlike these wet belts that need replacing every 50K.

I've decided to switch to full synthetic for the Lancer from next service onwards, the price gap between synthetic and conventional oil is too little to keep using it

Hondas with timing chains will run more than 500K; however, Nissans with timing chains, e.g., the QR series, will throw crank sensor errors when they reach 300K. That's why I still like the TD series engines Nissan made.

 

[MrCat]

Hondas with timing chains will run more than 500K; however, Nissans with timing chains, e.g., the QR series, will throw crank sensor errors when they reach 300K. That's why I still like the TD series engines Nissan made.

I am actually about 400km away from home (small holiday) and came across this thread. Speaking of Honda's, my CRV with a K24A (2.4 petrol) just reached 230k on the clock. It hasn't seen a garage/service centre after 100k kms. I've been changing fluids on time (every relavant fluid: diff fluid, gearbox etc..). Oil filter housing started leaking a bit, I just changed the gasket (1 hour job with the car on Axel stands). I replaced both front drive shafts due to a minor vibration at around 180k on the clock. Absolutely no other issues or repairs, not even an A/C regas/service. This thing gets used 7 days a week. I may come back from work (1 hr drive) and the wife may go to the gym/shopping after. Then all the school/class runs with the child. And holiday drives too.. The engine don't get a chance to cool down during the day most days.. lol..

I'm having a serious issue selecting a new car (it has to be a medium SUV) from what's available in this market (AUS, not SL). I have second fun car (a 3 liter turbo) and a couple of motorbikes, so the daily hack needs to be something to jump in and drive with relatively cheap maintenace. Just don't have time to waste, even if it's getting repaired under warranty.

At the moment, the only rational choice is the RAV4 Hybrid. Not because i am a Toyota fan, but every other medium SUV in the market is having one drawback or another. That's how crazy car engineering has become. Lexus NX 350H is using the same RAV4 platform, so that's also an option, though with a $30k price hike.

I think the car market is going full cycle. Back in the day, the Brits used to make shit cars (Land Rovers that leaked from factory, etc...) but people were used to the issues and kept buying/repairing them. Then the Japs started making superior cars and killed the British car industry. The Americans used to make fantastic cars in the 50's , 60's etc... (most of the innovations in the industry were American, including the intermittent wiper..) Then they dropped the ball by the 90's..

Looks like the Chinese have started to own the electric car market now. Who knows, in a decade or so, thet may produce highly reliable EV's good for a couple of decades with no maintenance. Only issue is software though, software based systems do get outdated pretty quickly (the nature of software).

 

[maxtalker]

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