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අල් කුරාණය කියන්නෙ බොහෝම ප්‍රති විරුද්ධ අදහස් තියෙන පොතක්.
උදාහරණ ඕනෙද ?

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මොහොමඩ් කියල තියෙනවා
"එක අහිංසක මිනිහෙක් මැරුව කියන්නෙ මුළු මිනිස් ජාතියම මැරුව වගේ පව්කාර වැඩක් කියල"

දැන් මේක දකින කෙනා හිතනව කොච්චර සාමකාමී ආගමක් ද කියලා. නමුත් පොඩි නෙවෙයි ලොකු ප්‍රශ්නයක් තියෙනවා


ඉවර නෑ තව තියෙනවා



තව ඕනෙද ? ඕනෙ නං කියන්නෙ කුරාණය කියන්නෙ මේ වගේ හේට් ස්පීච් අඩු පාඩු නැතුව බෙදන තැනක්

දැන් අර මං මුලින් දාපු එකත් එක්ක මේව කියෙව්වහම කෙනෙක්ට හිතෙන්නෙ මොනවද ? Disbelievers ල innocent නෑ කියන එක.


දැක්ක නේද ඔය ආගමේ අවිහිංසාව කියන එක පවා විකුර්ති කරල මිනිස්සුන්ට පොවල තියෙන හැටි



තව කවුරු කාට හරි මේ වගේ කරුණාබර කුරාණ වැකි ඕනෙ නං කියන්න. 500 ට නො අඩු ගානක් කුරාණෙ තියෙනවා. ගෙඩිය පිටින් කපල අලවන්නම් මෙතන


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@Kasun අපි කතා කරන්නෙ ගෙදරට එන එන සර්පය මර මර ඉන්නෙ නැතුව අපේ පොඩි උන්ට උනත් එළියට බැහැල නිදහසේ සෙල්ලම් කරන්න පුළුවං වෙන්න පළාතෙ ඉන්න සේරම සර්පයො මරල පැත්තම සුරක්ශිත කරන එක ගැන

මමත් සාමන්යෙන් ලෝකය ගැන දැනුමක් නැති ගොන්නු එක්ක වාද කරන්නේ නැ.. ඒත් Al Baik ගිය නිසා උඹේ උත්තරෙට මම ප්‍රතිචාර දැක්වුවොත් හොදය් කියලා හිතනවා...

උඹ හිතන් ඉන්නේ උඹ දාලා තියන වාක්්‍ය කුරාන් එකෙන් ගත්තා කියලද.. උඹ දාපු කුරාන් වචනට ඇත්ත අර්ත්‍ය මොකක්ද කියලා මම දාලා ඉන්නම්..


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Sahih International
Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.

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Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.

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Then, you are those [same ones who are] killing one another and evicting a party of your people from their homes, cooperating against them in sin and aggression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their eviction was forbidden to you. So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.


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Sahih International
And who are more unjust than those who prevent the name of Allah from being mentioned in His mosques and strive toward their destruction. It is not for them to enter them except in fear. For them in this world is disgrace, and they will have in the Hereafter a great punishment.



දැන් කියපන් මොන වගේ බය්ලා එකක්ද උඹ මේ දාල තියෙන්නේ?? අවජාතකයෙකුට ඉපදිච්ච සූකරයෙක් කරපු පරිවර්තන තියගෙනද උඹ ඉස්ලාම් ආගම ගැන වාද කරන්න ආවේ?? ඉස්සෙල්ලා හරි තේරුම දැනගෙන් වරෙන් ඒ ගැන කතකරන්න..

ඇත්ත කුරාන් වක්්‍යටය් උඹ දාල තියන ඒවටය් කිසිම සමබන්දයක් තියනවද??

හැබෙය් මටනම් බය්බල් එකේ තියන වරදි හරි ආකරවම ඔප්පු කරන්න පුලුවන්..

උඹ ෆේක් වලට උත්තර දෙන්නේ නැහලුනේ.. මමත් ෆේක් එකක් තමය්.. ඒත් උඹට කොන්ද පනක් තියනවනම් කියපං අපි වාද කරමු..

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    පොඩි අතදරුවන් මරද්දි හොඳ වැඩේ කියලා කියන්න උගන්නපු.... අන්‍යාඅගමිකයන් මිත්‍යාදෘශ්ටිකයන් කියලා හංවඩු ගහපු ආගමකට ඉපදෙන්නේ නැතිව මුස්ලිම් වෙල ඉපදුන එක ගැන හිතලා සතුටුවෙනවා... :nerd:


    ane yako mehema thuwakku aran wedi thiyaddi anith un udabalagena idida lamayek kiyala??

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    siripaala

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    ethakota thope alla kiyapu widihata Israel minissu maranakota eka paw nadda ? thope thaliban, al-quaida un beli kapala minissu maranakota eva paw nadda ?

    depaththma minissu marenawa ponnayo

    mama kiyanne minissu marena eka hodai kiyala newi. me war eken Israel dinanna oni kiyala





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    siripaala

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    පොඩ්ඩක් මෙන්න මේක බලන්න



    ඔය කුරාණෙන් කෙලින්ම ගත්තු වාක්‍යක්

    මෙහෙම ඉගැන්වෙන ආගමක මිනිස්සුත් එක්ක කතා කරල වැඩක් තියෙනවද කියල හිතල බලන්න ?

    පොඩි උං ගැන නං දුකයි. නමුත් ඔය මිනිස්සු ඇබිත්තක්වත් අහිංසක නං නෑ

    mulim eun kohomath minimaru jathiyak kuranema kiyala thiyanawane muslim agama piligannne neththan bella kapanna kiyala:growl::growl::growl:
     

    chanaka chana

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    මුන් දෙගොල්ලන්ගෙන් කවුද බන් හොද.. පොඩ්ඩක් පැහැදිලි කරපන්කො..:)
     

    siripaala

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    මුන් දෙගොල්ලන්ගෙන් කවුද බන් හොද.. පොඩ්ඩක් පැහැදිලි කරපන්කො..:)

    isreal hodai,palasthinen( muladaramawadi muslim thrasthawadiyo - hamas eka ) unta rocket ganawa e nisa isreal walinuth palasthineta gahanawa thamange rata arakshakaraganna.
     

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    Israel military major general Tal Russo said today:
    "We are going to hit Hamas and all other Gaza terrorist organizations until we destroy Gaza's weapons arsenal and life returns to normal in Israel. We devastated their long range weapons arsenal, but there is still a lot of work left."
     

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    යුද්දෙකදී මිනිස්සු මැරෙනවා.

    ඔය කතාව අනිත් පැත්තටත් අදාලයි නේ. මැරෙන්නේ පලස්තිනේ පොඩි උන් විතරක් නෙවි නේ.


    Do you have any idea about the history of this conflict?, I suspect you don't still you issue talks
     

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    අනේ මෝඩයෝ Israel බොට කරයි ලබ්බක්. Hamas හැදෙන්නත් Palestine ඔය තත්වෙට පත් කලෙත් Israel ම තමා. Palestine අන්ත අසරන වෙලා ඉන්න කාලවල් වල western power එකත් එක්ක හොඳට නෙලුවෙත් Israel තමා.

    දැන් Palestine ඉන්නම බැරි තැන තමයි ඔය defensive attacks කරන්නෙ. මේක මේ අද ඊයෙ පටන් ගත්ත දෙයක් නෙමෙයි Palestine ගොඩ කාලෙක ඉඳන් Israel වලට ගොදුරක් වෙලා තිබුනේ.
     

    siripaala

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    පොඩි අතදරුවන් මරද්දි හොඳ වැඩේ කියලා කියන්න උගන්නපු.... අන්‍යාඅගමිකයන් මිත්‍යාදෘශ්ටිකයන් කියලා හංවඩු ගහපු ආගමකට ඉපදෙන්නේ නැතිව මුස්ලිම් වෙල ඉපදුන එක ගැන හිතලා සතුටුවෙනවා... :nerd:

    බොරලුගොඩ මහතා;13869432 said:
    සිරාවට මචන්.. ඒ මදිවට මුන් නියම බෞද්දයෝ කියලත් මුන්ව අදුනගන්නවා.. පට කුප්පාඩි ඔනල්ය්න් චන්ඩියෝ.. මුන්ට රට ගැනවත් ජාතිඅ ගැනවත් ඇත්තට කැක්කුමක් නැ..මුන් නියම බෞද්දයෝ නෙමෙය් තමන්ගේ වාසියට අම්මවත් විකුනගෙන කන ජාතියක්..

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    මැරුන එකට හොද වැඩෙ කිඋවෙ කොතනදිද? අනික් අයවත් උබලගෙ( මුස්ලිම් ) තත්වෙන් මනින්න එපා,සතෙක් මැරුවත් එක පවු..
    මේවටත් විරුද්ධ්ව උත්ගොශනය,විරොදතා කරොත් නරකද? මෙ සිරියාවෙ..මෙත් මුස්ලිම් අය..මෙයාලා පවු නැද්ද?මෙ අයව මරන්නෙ මුස්ලිම් අයමයි..එතකොට මෙයාල පොඩි අතදෘවො නෙවේද?
     
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    ඒ වගේ දේවල් කුරානය ඇතුලේ තියෙනවා කියල පිටු අංක එක්ක චේද අංක එක්ක බලාගන්න පුලුවන් වෙන්නේ ඉස්ලාම් ආගමට විරුද්ධව මඩ ගහන සයිට්ස් වල විතරයි. කුරානයේ කිසිම තැනක කිසිම කෙනෙකුව නිකරුනේ මරන්න කියල නෑ.

    එහෙම තියෙනවානම් අද කුරානය කියවල සුද්දෝ ඉස්ලාම් ආගමට එන්නේ නෑ...
    තවත් විදියකට කියනවානම්... සෞත් ඇෆ්‍රිකාවල ඒරට ක්‍රිස්තියානි රරක් වෙලත් ඒරට ඇතුලට බයිබල් එනවනම් සෙක්ස් ස්ටෝරි නැති බයිබල් විතරයි රට ඇතුලට ගෙනියන්න පුලුවන්... නමුත් කුරාන් එක එහෙම කිසිම දෙයක් නතිනිසයි කිසිම ප්‍රශ්නයක් නතිව ගෙනියන්න පුලුවන්... එහෙම කුරාන් එකේ මිනිස්සුන්ව මරන්න කියල කියනවානම් කවදාවත් කුරානයක් ගෙනියන්න බැරිවෙලා තියෙන්න ඕනේ.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    Summary Answer:
    The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

    Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

    Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's many calls to violence according to what their own moral preconceptions find justificable. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

    Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.


    The Quran:
    Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

    Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

    Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

    Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

    Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

    Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

    Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

    Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

    Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

    Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

    Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

    Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

    Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

    Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:293, also). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

    Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

    Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

    Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

    Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months).

    Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

    Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad (Arabic).

    Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.