Linux(SUSE 10.2) beats VISTA

[MCLINER]

ya so what i know is PHP and i dont have money from a win 2k3 server and learn ASP.net

Anyway for now ASP.net is superior than PHP. Anyway it will be an endless battle too.

bt most of da sites are created with PHP

 

[gayannr]

bt most of da sites are created with PHP

thats correct i agree with u

 

[MCLINER]

thats correct i agree with u

so dat means PHP is also in a superior position.

Even big companies use PHP fr their web sites

 

[dineitdark]

yes PHP is the best option for most people... and it is growing like hell

 

[MCLINER]

yes PHP is the best option for most people... and it is growing like hell

yep im also using php

 

[gayannr]

SUSE 10.1 screen shots

hey this is some suse 10.1 screen shots (XGL)
it much compressed n dnt get misundrstnd

nice! isnt it

 

[MCLINER]

hmm ive seen dose

 

[gayannr]

anybody seen dose?

 

[MCLINER]

anybody seen dose?

 

[gayannr]

hey anyone else you macho?

 

[tckrockz]

ade ela neee gota try suse

 

[fazaal24]

hmmm,,,,,lets tryy

 

[kisanka_gr]

linux is developed by engineer especially for the use of engineers, as engineers are out there, there will be linux for engineers. but windows is for the general, so it should be easy to use.

 

[dineitdark]

cool eh! haha

 

[dineitdark]

linux is developed by engineer especially for the use of engineers, as engineers are out there, there will be linux for engineers. but windows is for the general, so it should be easy to use.

hmmm not exactly but for debian its kinda true.. but still there are normal users who just install dabian and have fun...

 

[dineitdark]

hey anyone else you macho?

me too...

 

[tckrockz]

penumen nam hodai wage

 

[GTRZ]

no!!! ms's strategy is different! they have licensing... and stuff we can never own MS made software.. we can just rent em.... but its not like that with RH.. you can buy a copy and copy it to 100000000000000000 CDs and give it to any one you like.. its legal!!! but if you do that to some MS software then its software piracy! and you are a pirate for doing that!!! ehhe....

RH's strategy is to charge for the services... and they are not evil as you think...

man! do you really have people like that??? hehe we srilankans never grow up! well i was not talking about those type of people!!! WSO2 make software that is in apache... and they do make middleware... they are global... they were even in TV ART and ETV.. the rezone for been in TV was that they were earning so much profits!!! the guy who is the head in that is a famous guy(search for sanjeewa sl open source sri lanka)... the company is a SL one...

Well redhat not expecting anything like you mean just check redhat hosting they bill you for OS and even on Redhat site they say on their purchasing guide..

"Red Hat Enterprise Linux is offered on a fully-inclusive, per-system, annual subscription basis. So it's simple to purchase."

Yeah i know lot of people who do that linux smuggle anyway happy for atleast few of those FOSS people who doing a great job out there. Anyway the concept you are talking also kinda pay software coz its kinda combination of giving something free and asking to buy if you want something more or for maintenance of the system. I think .net server developers who did Community Server project gave the basic software for free.

 

[GTRZ]

well its like this.. if the whole world was smart they would all use open source hehe lol as the world is not fully smart it not like that... i guess you can treat that as a joke

yeah i missed your point! sorry about that.. yeah i know most of the people just cant figure out how to make money from open source. but lots of people are making money still been open source! so i guess we'll have to invent ways to keep the cash flowing in while been open... i don't know... the closed source model is very easy to understand and we are used to it... so thats why lots people believe in that... still

about zend.. well i started php before three four weeks ago... hehe lolz i know that zend was invented by two farther figures of PHP and thats all...

hehe yeah you can't expect the world to be like that so its pointless.
Anyway i never said open source concept should wiped out. what i mean it there should be a balance and all the software can't be open source.
Just as an example i am running some well known software in this server which is the most expensive in it's class. Its a big paid software but its source is open so i can manage it. But there are limitations for what i can manage from the TOS. They find it nothing secret so they show the source but have limitations on their TOS. In other hand there are encoded software which using zend engine so they wanna keep their secrets. Their hard work and research they don't wanna pass it to the competitors. So in my openion developer should have the right to make it open or close. And the buyers can deside they wanna buy it or not.

About the cash flowing concept i think giving the main software free and asking for the payment for the services like giving a carrot with strings attached. To be real i think developing the main software is the biggest and the hardest part so talking it for real, no marketing tricks we give it for the cost involved. Then we give services for free or for a managed cost. If we give the main software free then we have to sell the services in really high price to cover the full cost which is not ethical and fair. Its like a marketing trick to give something free and attract them.


Other thing when the software is free and open source then others can give the service to a reduced price. So you can't guarantee you will make profits coz others will get profit from your main engine which you spent years to build.

In my opinion there should be all open source, closed source, free and paid software. Depending their application and cost involved we should choose the correct method to deliver it in an ethical and progressive way.

 

[GTRZ]

yes but you know that windows can never be customized as much as linux? well i don't know much about RH... and i was not saying that RH will offer quick updates... RH is a company as well so its limited... but what i was tiring to say was that... when a bug comes out in lets say FF... the FF project's members release a bug fix, a temporary one with in hours! isn't that cool???

now if you have subscribed to some security mailing list such as... bugtrack(security focus....).. you will see that people in the list put bug fixes for open source SW very quickly after some exploit comes out. thats possible because all the people have access to the source code. you can't imagine something like that in windows!

well the truth is that there are no complete solutions!!! if someone tells you that they have one they are lieng! thats what MS has been doing for these years...

and i don't think that MS is offering a complete solution either... even if u have a win server, u'll have to setup a firewall, you'll have to setup a IDS... etc etc... i mean its just a part of sys administration....

well i know that some distros tend to be somewhat 'incomplete'... but there are good ones emerging... try some different distros... you'll find a cool one... most of those distros that are backed by commercial support are complete systems.... like they have done a grate deal of work for you.... and i think they genaraly do it better than MS...

and if you are talking about the future... well when linux first came out as a baby... and when there was so little GNU feelings around... there were so many giant MS like corporations who made server OSs... and they all lost there market share.... and linux gained! and it is still gaining..... in a unbelievable speed. just look around you... everything has changed... i mean most of em have...

just look at google, yahoo... they have enough cash! but they use open source! why? cause they know they are better off with open source rather than anyother

Well FF project is application software. We were talking about OS and advantages and disadvantages of linux and windows.
But for today MS release the most complete solution. They have all application, office, server, etc.. in a one well compatible solution. I know many linux distros trying to offer something like that which is a good thing. But still linux has long way to go.
Linux mostly gained the market share coz its free, its same like IE gained market share over Netscape. Anyway linux doing it in a good way with open source concept.

Well about Google and Yahoo they using mostly highly modified their versions of software, you can’t say its open source coz they are not going to release it. It may be based of free bsd or unix but its completely modified.
In the other hand try eBay the biggest auction site on the planet and one of the mostly visited sites neat to Yahoo and MSN. Its should be really secure since millions of transactions happen in a single day. They use Windows server software.


Anyway I am not bias against windows or Microsoft. I am trying to show the reality coz all the people here talking about linux only and show it like a solid wall while talking about windows like bomb about to explode. So I thought to make it a balance that’s why I’m telling about windows coz you all telling about linux and its no use I’m telling the same thing over again. haha