Linux(SUSE 10.2) beats VISTA

[GTRZ]

setup snort... an open source first calss IDS... do the basic security tight!!! and then u can relax a bit... but eh you are the admin!!! so u have to be busy at all times hehe...

haha thats what i said bro more hard work

 

[kudalla]

haha thats what i said bro more hard work

good things ; difficult to gain..

 

[dineitdark]

OSX kernel is based on Unix, and that's it. The similarities end there. All the innvative stuff are Apple's creations.

FOSS are not only for Linux. I use a lot of FOSS applications as well, and will continue to do so (if they are better than the paid apps). It has nothing to do with Linux.
And forget about gaming in Linux. There are of course certain FPS games running in Linux, but they can never compare to gaming in Windows.

yeah apple is sooooo creative thats true and my point was that vista is not the best UF system... so i guess you accept that?

FOSS is a concept... and linux is one of its brightest products ever! so it definitely has a lot to do with FOSS!!! and many FOSS apps works better when they are running on a linux kernel because they were programed for linux and therefor they natively run on linux unlike what happens when they are ported to windows...

and most of them can run under less HW requirements when they are running under linux!

and gaming huh? hehe well well now linux has many nice games developed for it.. CC, DOOM....etc etc.. but yeah most of the games are still only for windows.. so does that mean linux is not for gamers??? no you are so wrong!!! hehe... there is some thing caleld cedega from transgaming.... it can install windows games in linux and then guess what? the games run much faster when they are running in linux! just goto there site and read the stuff there... not all games run with this but most of the cool ones do.. like warcraft hehe...

there is a another thing called crossover from codewavers.... check that out if u can't believe me on this.. u can game game and game with linux! most of the multiplayer games run like hell in linux, u should have tries some of em...

 

[dineitdark]

You call that eliminating competition? BS! That's increasing competition. Competition is what brings better products to the market.

no closing the platform off is not increasing competition! the new vista kernel is aggressive... the main intention....? get a nice advantage for the new AN SW's start... which is of course gonna be a another bunch of shit

 

[GTRZ]

linux is supposed to be free as in freedom and as free as in free beer! if it is all free as in free beer how the hell can OS developers buy there lunch???

hehe then you said like its all free and all freedom hehe. Thats what i am asking too bro if this world become all free and open source how the developers gonna eat and live? They all skilled hard working people and have put lot of money on their education.
While doctors asking for big money for channeling why developers can't get atleast small amount? doctor just look at you and may be touch you for 1-2 minutes and they ask you like Rs 500($5) for that. hehe but no one asking or shoulting to them saying do it free give it free or run campaign against them, make banners and sites against them but i think you know how many hard working days ppl spend to develop a $5 software.

We both learned with big effort and spent lot of money on it. So in my opinion there should be balance in free open source and paid software. Almost all of those GNU developers work for top software companies and while they earn money they develop software as a hobby.
So if there is no paid software then there will be no free software too!

 

[dineitdark]

haha thats what i said bro more hard work

haha well well.... if u rely on win OS for everything... u are most probably gonna regret it one day when u get hacked... cause window's security is security through obscurity.. which won't work... its like a time bomb waiting to explode in some random time!!!

and common! setting up snort is not that hard is it? don't be lazy!

 

[dineitdark]

well not farrrrrrr less as you say bro haha 31.09% for MS and 58.70% for Apache.

Anyway since linux is mostly cost effective solution for small servers and business its widely used.

Anyway some funny thing in the stats... you can see during those 3 months Windows Server user base has increased from 1% while apache server user base has decreased.

yeah i wonder why? hehe.. u know they have said that there have been a issue in detecting linux box's uptime because of a change in the linux kernel.... may be this has something to do with it... who knows lol

 

[dineitdark]

good things ; difficult to gain..

yeah, just like true love

 

[GTRZ]

good things ; difficult to gain..

thats not the point we are talking bro. hehe then some MS dude will say same Good things dif to gain. so thats why we asking that much for our software

and all open source ppl will shout saying Win is not good at all and its kinda sh*t hehe but its not a valid point I think both has its advantages and disadvantages. Its upto the user, task and the budget.

 

[dineitdark]

hehe then you said like its all free and all freedom hehe. Thats what i am asking too bro if this world become all free and open source how the developers gonna eat and live? They all skilled hard working people and have put lot of money on their education.
While doctors asking for big money for channeling why developers can't get atleast small amount? doctor just look at you and may be touch you for 1-2 minutes and they ask you like Rs 500($5) for that. hehe but no one asking or shoulting to them saying do it free give it free or run campaign against them, make banners and sites against them but i think you know how many hard working days ppl spend to develop a $5 software.

We both learned with big effort and spent lot of money on it. So in my opinion there should be balance in free open source and paid software. Almost all of those GNU developers work for top software companies and while they earn money they develop software as a hobby.
So if there is no paid software then there will be no free software too!

well yeah.. there is a issue there... but i guess people have and is finding alternative strategies.... to make money.. you know... redhat...and stuff...

hey what about that SL comp.... WSO2! hehe they develop FOSS and they give it for free and they earn from providing service... those guys are pulling a lot of money!!!

 

[Anusha]

yeah apple is sooooo creative thats true and my point was that vista is not the best UF system... so i guess you accept that?

Not really. I've used OSX for a few minutes and it wasn't that easy. Also, Apple software on Windows (which are specifically written for Windows) doesn't work as good as the software written by Microsoft for Apple, such as Office etc.

FOSS is a concept... and linux is one of its brightest products ever! so it definitely has a lot to do with FOSS!!! and many FOSS apps works better when they are running on a linux kernel because they were programed for linux and therefor they natively run on linux unlike what happens when they are ported to windows...

and most of them can run under less HW requirements when they are running under linux!

I can't argue about that because I haven't used the same software on each platform.

and gaming huh? hehe well well now linux has many nice games developed for it.. CC, DOOM....etc etc.. but yeah most of the games are still only for windows.. so does that mean linux is not for gamers??? no you are so wrong!!! hehe... there is some thing caleld cedega from transgaming.... it can install windows games in linux and then guess what? the games run much faster when they are running in linux! just goto there site and read the stuff there... not all games run with this but most of the cool ones do.. like warcraft hehe...

AFAIK, they don't run even close to the speed of running them in Windows. Besides, only OpenGL games or games ported from DirectX to OpenGL works in Linux (as well as in OSX). DirectX has far better graphics effect/quality than OpenGL, especially DirectX10 in Vista.

there is a another thing called crossover from codewavers.... check that out if u can't believe me on this.. u can game game and game with linux! most of the multiplayer games run like hell in linux, u should have tries some of em...

But it's not for games. I never said Linux lacks in general purpose software. Don't get me wrong.

 

[dineitdark]

thats not the point we are talking bro. hehe then some MS dude will say same Good things dif to gain. so thats why we asking that much for our software

and all open source ppl will shout saying Win is not good at all and its kinda sh*t hehe but its not a valid point I think both has its advantages and disadvantages. Its upto the user, task and the budget.

MS stuff are no good for the money they ask u for!!! hehe.... and yes as the rules of nature suggest closed source must be good for something... i wonder what it is good for......??? toilet paper software ? haha lolz just kidding!

 

[GTRZ]

haha well well.... if u rely on win OS for everything... u are most probably gonna regret it one day when u get hacked... cause window's security is security through obscurity.. which won't work... its like a time bomb waiting to explode in some random time!!!

and common! setting up snort is not that hard is it? don't be lazy!

haha what i got to say to those linux freaks windows servers not unsecured like you exaggerate. and linux not secure as you think/say too.
So come from dreams and leave the hatred against MS and just face the truth

I am not talking for MSN but i am just telling the normal issues in the industry.

 

[Anusha]

no closing the platform off is not increasing competition! the new vista kernel is aggressive... the main intention....? get a nice advantage for the new AN SW's start... which is of course gonna be a another bunch of shit

Only Symantec and McAfee seems to have problems with Vista. Nobody else does. Almost all the others have 100% works AV software. What does this makes us think about Symantec and McAfee? Cry babies?

 

[kudalla]

thats not the point we are talking bro. hehe then some MS dude will say same Good things dif to gain. so thats why we asking that much for our software

and all open source ppl will shout saying Win is not good at all and its kinda sh*t hehe but its not a valid point I think both has its advantages and disadvantages. Its upto the user, task and the budget.

He he, as U said there are some + & - points in both windows & linux. There are no 100% perfect things in this world. As I think windows and linux target 2 different groups. Windows targets beginners & PC users while Linux targets Advanced and Server Users....

 

[dineitdark]

Not really. I've used OSX for a few minutes and it wasn't that easy. Also, Apple software on Windows (which are specifically written for Windows) doesn't work as good as the software written by Microsoft for Apple, such as Office etc.

I can't argue about that because I haven't used the same software on each platform.

AFAIK, they don't run even close to the speed of running them in Windows. Besides, only OpenGL games or games ported from DirectX to OpenGL works in Linux (as well as in OSX). DirectX has far better graphics effect/quality than OpenGL, especially DirectX10 in Vista.

But it's not for games. I never said Linux lacks in general purpose software. Don't get me wrong.

well when u are using a new system it take some time to get used to it... and as we all have used windows to start our computing.... we are kinda used to windows so thats why people find it hard to migrate... but once you have completed the learning curve.. stuff should be just fine...

and hey.. that cedega this is using directx drivers in linux!!! so it runs better... and because of the linux kernel underling it... it runs even better!!! u can install games with ease... and lunch em... control emmm you know what i mean uh?...

the only thing is cedega is commercial software... and that is the same rezone that they use directx... and if u have used wine and stuff like that... well this stuff performs much much better than wine....!!! hehe the experience is different...

all these ATI people who don't write a nice driver for linux do cause a lot of pain in the ass for linux users... if the HW companies write drivers man linux would be soooo cool for gamers! or even if they open up there video cards... and give the needed info for people to develop a driver... im sure that the community would write a better driver than the official one!!!

 

[GTRZ]

MS stuff are no good for the money they ask u for!!! hehe.... and yes as the rules of nature suggest closed source must be good for something... i wonder what it is good for......??? toilet paper software ? haha lolz just kidding!

haha then why all the other things need patents and LG claims no one can make a door cooling refrigerator for another 15 years hehe. No one talk about that but only for software. Sharing source is okay coz you just sharing the technology but still the creator should have the right to decide to reveal his secrets or not.


If you in to linux, php open source that much tell me why most of those top scripts comes with ionCube or Zend encoded? And why Cpanel also?

 

[dineitdark]

haha what i got to say to those linux freaks windows servers not unsecured like you exaggerate. and linux not secure as you think/say too.
So come from dreams and leave the hatred against MS and just face the truth

I am not talking for MSN but i am just telling the normal issues in the industry.

well the truth as i understand it is this... nor linux or windwos are secure out of the box... it is upto the admin to do the hardening...

but the interesting this is that... when it comes to windows... there is a limit for the admin... he can't patch code... he can't remove parts of the code... he can't compile the code with custom options in the compiler to increase security.. he can't make his own hacks to his server's code base.... and the list goes on...

but when it is open source... you can do all of the above... the admin have far more power in linux than in windows, why? cause linux is open and windows is not.

when a bug is discovered for windows... you have to wait for a fix from MS, which takes a lot of time and stuff.. simply ur so depended on them! but when u are using linux its not like that... even if redhat vanished today u can still run a nice redhat server... still patching it... still updating it... cause the code is there for you.

so my point is when it comes to security and everything else... windows is much limited and linux is unlimited and it can be unleashed as your hart wishes!!!

 

[lasanka]

linux advocates.....
how depressing..!

 

[dineitdark]

Only Symantec and McAfee seems to have problems with Vista. Nobody else does. Almost all the others have 100% works AV software. What does this makes us think about Symantec and McAfee? Cry babies?

yeah they suck! hehe... i m sure that those small AV people will be faster than big ones to invent work arounds...