Linux(SUSE 10.2) beats VISTA

[GTRZ]

well, i think that ASP is a good choice if you are using IIS as your web server... or else hehe there are more than enough better stuff out there!

php is easy, fast and ok... so its the genaral choice.. but if you are a expert i guess u are better off with something like perl or C!!! which are really really fast... hehe...

and again... google is using ajax, java, phython... all of em are open source... asp is... hmmm... like.... GW Bush

Well i am not talking about classic ASP which may out run by PHP. I am talking about ASP.net which is faster, less number of lines of codes to make, and gives far more performance. I saw some dudes on a tech blog trying to run PHP on .net server to get the performace.

Anyway it will be an endless battle PHP may find ways then ASP again....
Most stuff developed to run on .net framework are free and open source too. you can search about that. Microsoft also did great work for developing Ajax to this level.

 

[dineitdark]

Well redhat not expecting anything like you mean just check redhat hosting they bill you for OS and even on Redhat site they say on their purchasing guide..

"Red Hat Enterprise Linux is offered on a fully-inclusive, per-system, annual subscription basis. So it's simple to purchase."

Yeah i know lot of people who do that linux smuggle anyway happy for atleast few of those FOSS people who doing a great job out there. Anyway the concept you are talking also kinda pay software coz its kinda combination of giving something free and asking to buy if you want something more or for maintenance of the system. I think .net server developers who did Community Server project gave the basic software for free.

well u can go to the redhat's site and register for a account which is free, and then try a 'demo'. the demo is the full server with a limited subscription.and hey its not smuggling! its leagal, sharing... its sharing stuff with your friends.. and the GPL says that people should be able to share the SW... so its supposed to happen and its leagal...

what RH is really selling is there subscription service, so you get the support and the updates... so thats it. its not that RH is keeping some parts of the system away until you pay them. its just they are getting paid for the service they provide...

the community server stuff may be free as in free beer but its not free as in freedom! they don't give you the source, do they? its just freeware... community stuff is the responce to linux from MS.. they feel the vibes of linux

 

[dineitdark]

hehe yeah you can't expect the world to be like that so its pointless.
Anyway i never said open source concept should wiped out. what i mean it there should be a balance and all the software can't be open source.
Just as an example i am running some well known software in this server which is the most expensive in it's class. Its a big paid software but its source is open so i can manage it. But there are limitations for what i can manage from the TOS. They find it nothing secret so they show the source but have limitations on their TOS. In other hand there are encoded software which using zend engine so they wanna keep their secrets. Their hard work and research they don't wanna pass it to the competitors. So in my openion developer should have the right to make it open or close. And the buyers can deside they wanna buy it or not.

About the cash flowing concept i think giving the main software free and asking for the payment for the services like giving a carrot with strings attached. To be real i think developing the main software is the biggest and the hardest part so talking it for real, no marketing tricks we give it for the cost involved. Then we give services for free or for a managed cost. If we give the main software free then we have to sell the services in really high price to cover the full cost which is not ethical and fair. Its like a marketing trick to give something free and attract them.


Other thing when the software is free and open source then others can give the service to a reduced price. So you can't guarantee you will make profits coz others will get profit from your main engine which you spent years to build.

In my opinion there should be all open source, closed source, free and paid software. Depending their application and cost involved we should choose the correct method to deliver it in an ethical and progressive way.

well well, you have strong point when say that sometimes people have to keep there source closed to stop others in the same industry spying on em.. yea like google guys... i mean they have the best searching algorhythems.. so they produce best results.. and if they put it out then yahoo and all the other people will look in to it and will learn there secrets but well i personally think that u should make money from innovation where there are no secrets... the only trade secret will be the fact that there is no secret!!! lol hehe.. but that stratergy of mine is yet to be tested... im 19 still and if i ever get rich when i get older then you can think that my stratergy is correct. if not ithin sorry thama!

and well hey... u can't do that markerting tricks with the GPL.. the open source license(the most populer one)... u can't keep parts of the SW with you until ur customers pay money or anything like that... and i don't think any OS company is doing that... what most people do is.. they give the lateset version for some money and make the other avilible for free... or stuff like that..

and no! people won't benifit from coping your code and reselling it... for cheaper prices... because when its OS you normaly don't sell the code. you sell the service. and yes another company can also offer the same service. and that does happen in the world. but then the company who made the SW has developers who really know about the SW. so customers favor em over the other.. so they earn more...

and most of the open source projects are not started from scrach... they are depending on some more FOSS... so its not that hard to develop a system like in closed source. and thats another grate benifit of open source, you don't have to reinvent the wheel when you are tring to build a car!!! but if it is a closed system, you have to develop the system from the start... its a lot of work and most of that work is not really needed! its such a waste!!! it won't happen if the project was OS.

There are some main OS people who have ur idea,,, that all kinds of SW should co exist... well i have no problem with that! hehe.. i just think that OS leads over thee others!

 

[dineitdark]

Well i am not talking about classic ASP which may out run by PHP. I am talking about ASP.net which is faster, less number of lines of codes to make, and gives far more performance. I saw some dudes on a tech blog trying to run PHP on .net server to get the performace.

Anyway it will be an endless battle PHP may find ways then ASP again....
Most stuff developed to run on .net framework are free and open source too. you can search about that. Microsoft also did great work for developing Ajax to this level.

well yar i just can't feel ok with MS!!! hehe, they are so kinky! they always try all the tricks on you. they want to own you... they and there ugly lawyers! evil... MS is evil..

anyways.. what do you think about asp compared with c? ha? hehe c out runs asp... but of course non of us is gonna code in c all the time eh? hehe.. well php 5 is much faster! if you are using that zend people's some engine that some kind of cashes stuff... or something like that... PHP will be much much faster! hehe...

my main point is this... MS is a company and the community is not. so the company 's main objective is to make money. but the community's main objective is to get the best software not money... if MS can sell u some shit for money they will do that! but now days thanks to linux and stuff they are forced to improve there products. do you think that if it weren't linux MS would concentrate so much on security and stuff? if linux werent there they will make hackers some terrorists.. and just blaim security on em and wait doing nothing... so open source is having a really positive effect on all of us. and i took FF as a example... any OS system including linux is made out of so many tiny programs... which are managed but individual projects and people... so when something goes wrong they respond to it... not linux kernel team or the redhat people... they may do some temp hack though ...

and now i know some people think why these guys speak so much about linux, all the time!!! it simply cause you get so satisfied with it... and then u just can't help advocating it... linux is not perfect! no its not. but its better than any closed sourced OS...

 

[dineitdark]

Well FF project is application software. We were talking about OS and advantages and disadvantages of linux and windows.
But for today MS release the most complete solution. They have all application, office, server, etc.. in a one well compatible solution. I know many linux distros trying to offer something like that which is a good thing. But still linux has long way to go.
Linux mostly gained the market share coz its free, its same like IE gained market share over Netscape. Anyway linux doing it in a good way with open source concept.

Well about Google and Yahoo they using mostly highly modified their versions of software, you can’t say its open source coz they are not going to release it. It may be based of free bsd or unix but its completely modified.
In the other hand try eBay the biggest auction site on the planet and one of the mostly visited sites neat to Yahoo and MSN. Its should be really secure since millions of transactions happen in a single day. They use Windows server software.


Anyway I am not bias against windows or Microsoft. I am trying to show the reality coz all the people here talking about linux only and show it like a solid wall while talking about windows like bomb about to explode. So I thought to make it a balance that’s why I’m telling about windows coz you all telling about linux and its no use I’m telling the same thing over again. haha

i think that linux has more completeness than windows.. well tell me something that linux don't have? just tell me? hehe linux have everything... distro guys sucks some how somewhere but don't blaim it on linux.... it have a sooo complete set of SWs than any other closed source OS,, well now there may be some 1, or 3 kinds of apps that s only there for windows but.. linux has everthing.... otherwise i would not be runing it... i mean i still do all the stuff that i did with windows. and know what? i do more than that, while having a lot of fun!

hehe but yeah sometimes you have to do a lot of work just to get your sound working...etc etc... but its the fault of the HW manifactores... not the fault of linux.

and FF is a OpenSource project, and so is SSH, ProFTPD, Postfix, apache, samba.... so these little projects build up the whole OS... and when a bug comes out its iether a bug in one of these projects or in the kernel or in a distribution(where the way stuff integrated or the default configs have the problem)... so then most of these project respond just like FF do... its so simple

 

[gayannr]

penumen nam hodai wage

machan not just the way its luk likes.wada karaddi maara lesie ban

 

[dineitdark]

i just finished installing Beryl! its soooooooooo elakiri ban!!!

 

[GNS]

hei,,,
this is the very good opportunity to beats VISTA
VISTA is not a new version of Microsoft.But it is new version of Graphic processing unit...
u can compete VISTA by downloading this application and run in Linux as Readme file say........
Every Features in VISTA(Side bar/ Aero look etc...) wil b there in Linux(SUSE 10.2 )

http://shivantha17.googlepages.com/gDesklets-0.35.4.tar.bz2

Have you got da DVD? (of SuSE 10.2)

 

[GNS]

I Like Linux (to learn & understand) But my LankaBELL HuaWei CDMA phone doesn't have drivers ne...

So I won't B able 2 connect 2 da Net///

 

[gayannr]

SUSE DVD

I Like Linux (to learn & understand) But my LankaBELL HuaWei CDMA phone doesn't have drivers ne...

So I won't B able 2 connect 2 da Net///

machan linux has drivers for CityLink CDMA 4n.may have lankaBell Huawei drivers also,drivers mean you have to select the modem as like a port(as tty01,tty 02,tty03 like that)so one of that will definetly work .
and dont hesitate to use linux.i think u know abt Linux live CDs.
visit
http://shipit.ubuntu.com
and order ur free Ubuntu linux CDs.have a try with that live CD version.u dont have to install it ne.Give a try
and I've got the SUSE 10.1 DVD.U can just download SUSE10.2 DVD from Novell.com and try.

 

[blackroses]

wat abt yahoo widgetz ????

 

[Anusha]

wat abt yahoo widgetz ????

Not supported at the moment.

 

[GNS]

anyway, Biggest Problem is Drivers dearth...

 

[Anusha]

anyway, Biggest Problem is Drivers dearth...

And out-of-the-box slowness.

 

[zCexVe]

anyway, Biggest Problem is Drivers dearth...

Drivers rnt a prob.Its linux ne.U dont wait till they release a driver.In Galle ma frnds use those CDMAs to browse net..Just join a newsgroup in google or yahoo frm LK about linux and/or FOSS.They r now making windows Sinhala and Ubuntu sinhala versions too.Just ask a newsgruop member for the driver and u'll get it the day after.Many Software engineeers are in those groups so dont worry.

 

[kisanka_gr]

my connection is through a Suntel CDMA, so i think it will definetly work for LankaBell.
anyway i m using SUSE and connection is bit faster than Windows

 

[GNS]

Drivers rnt a prob.Its linux ne.U dont wait till they release a driver.In Galle ma frnds use those CDMAs to browse net..Just join a newsgroup in google or yahoo frm LK about linux and/or FOSS.They r now making windows Sinhala and Ubuntu sinhala versions too.Just ask a newsgruop member for the driver and u'll get it the day after.Many Software engineeers are in those groups so dont worry.

Can U find one for me?

'cos I just wanna test linux...

 

[dineitdark]

wat abt yahoo widgetz ????

you have stuff like GNOME widgetz...etc these stuff were with linux long ago... and well before yahoo introduced its widgetz...

don't worry you will find a lot widgetz.... its endless

 

[dineitdark]

anyway, Biggest Problem is Drivers dearth...

in the start it seems like that... but you will find out that you can run linux on anything... for anything.... people figure out ways to do stuff everyday... im sure you will be able to get your stuff working.... or may be not... but its worth a try

 

[dineitdark]

Drivers rnt a prob.Its linux ne.U dont wait till they release a driver.In Galle ma frnds use those CDMAs to browse net..Just join a newsgroup in google or yahoo frm LK about linux and/or FOSS.They r now making windows Sinhala and Ubuntu sinhala versions too.Just ask a newsgruop member for the driver and u'll get it the day after.Many Software engineeers are in those groups so dont worry.

don't forget www.linux.lk they have a mailing list as well... join in and put your questions to them...

and i have seen a lot of people using there CDMAs with linux... don't worry it works... there were some blogs(SL ones) in the net... telling stuff about browsing net with CDMA + linux....