Nationalizing and patriotism

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    The question of ‘nationalizing’ a people is first and foremost one of establishing healthy
    social conditions which will furnish the grounds that are necessary for the education of
    the individual. For only when family upbringing and school education have inculcated in
    the individual a knowledge of the cultural and economic and, above all, the political
    greatness of his own country – then, and then only, will it be possible for him to feel
    proud of being a citizen of such a country. I can fight only for something that I love. I can
    love only what I respect. And in order to respect a thing I must at least have some
    knowledge of it.

    What do you think of that notion ?
     

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    According to http://www.languagesdept.gov.lk/glossary/,

    Nationalism - ජාතිවාදය
    Patriotism - දේශානුරාගය ; දේශාභිමානය

    Also, as far as I can remember... I can remember that quote from the book 'My Struggle' written by Adolf Hitler. ya?

    Simply say, yes. To create nationalism (ජාතිවාදය), you have to have something. That power lust will eventually create it.

    But to have patriotism, you don't have to.

    Zimbabwe people love their country, Cambodian's love theirs. But they haven't got much to love. But they love their countries.... Same applies to SL as well.
     

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    x-pert said:
    According to http://www.languagesdept.gov.lk/glossary/,

    Nationalism - ජාතිවාදය
    Patriotism - දේශානුරාගය ; දේශාභිමානය

    Also, as far as I can remember... I can remember that quote from the book 'My Struggle' written by Adolf Hitler. ya?

    Simply say, yes. To create nationalism (ජාතිවාදය), you have to have something. That power lust will eventually create it.

    But to have patriotism, you don't have to.

    Zimbabwe people love their country, Cambodian's love theirs. But they haven't got much to love. But they love their countries.... Same applies to SL as well.
    hey
    nationalism is not jaathiwadaya
     

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    kosandpol said:
    isnt ජාතිවාදය = Racism ?

    Race = wargaya...

    Racism = wargawaadaya.

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    National = jaathiya

    nationalism = jaathiwaadaya.
     

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    x-pert said:
    So what is jaathiwaadaya then?
    AFAIK, jaathiwadaya = racism.

    Racism :
    1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
    2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
     

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    Man this is heavy.I had to read this several times to get it.
    Basically you are saying that for a person to truly be proud of his country he must be influenced by positive social factor and beliefs?
    Or have I got it completely wrong?
     

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    x-pert said:
    See the post above ^
    If you still don't believe try the website I've given.

    according to that site :




    Racism වර්ගවාදුය ; ජාතිවාදුය
     

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    coolgayathra said:
    jaathiwdaya kiyanne ban
    dan api tmail num
    tmailslata witharak support
    anith un sinhala
    wage un ekka hatred thiyana seen eka

    nationlaism kiyana as kosadapol said

    love for the nation


    Jathiwadee kiyanne thamunge jaathiyata ladiyi kiyana eka.
    Kosandpol english walin kiyanneth eekama thamai.

    oyaa kiyanne anthawadi wechcha jaathiwaadayak gana. ethanadi thamai anith jaathiyakata wayira karanne.

    oya wenas eh kiyanne jaathi waadaya saha anthawaadi jaathiwaadaya wachana patalena nisa normaly use karanne jaathiwaadaya saha jaathikawaadaya kiyala.

    mokada jaathiwaadaya kiyuwama tikak hari naha wage feeling ekak enawa kiyala samaharu hithana nisa.

    namuth hari theruma national = jaathiyakata ayath (sinhala, Tamil). so nationalism = jaathiwaadaya.
     

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    kosandpol said:
    AFAIK, jaathiwadaya = racism.

    Racism :
    1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
    2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

    So?

    Even there is not much racial discrimination is Sri Lanka,
    there is a belief that Sinhala is the primary determinant of human traits in SL and capacities and that Sinhala race has an inherent superiority in the country ya?

    Well... I call it nationalism :) in a good way :D
     

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    x-pert said:
    Jathiwadee kiyanne thamunge jaathiyata ladiyi kiyana eka.
    Kosandpol english walin kiyanneth eekama thamai.

    oyaa kiyanne anthawadi wechcha jaathiwaadayak gana. ethanadi thamai anith jaathiyakata wayira karanne.

    oya wenas eh kiyanne jaathi waadaya saha anthawaadi jaathiwaadaya wachana patalena nisa normaly use karanne jaathiwaadaya saha jaathikawaadaya kiyala.

    mokada jaathiwaadaya kiyuwama tikak hari naha wage feeling ekak enawa kiyala samaharu hithana nisa.

    namuth hari theruma national = jaathiyakata ayath (sinhala, Tamil). so nationalism = jaathiwaadaya.

    so y mean when somebdo ysay
    oout nationa is the greatest
    we mena only one race,like sinhla?
    or hindu
    or tamil?
     

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    kosandpol said:
    according to that site :




    Racism වර්ගවාදුය ; ජාතිවාදුය

    Probably the terms are used inter-changeably.

    But still you agree with me on:
    wargaya = national
    jaathiya = race

    ya?
     

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    read this x pert

    Nationalism refers to an ideology, a sentiment, a form of culture, or a social movement that focuses on the nation.[1] It is a type of collectivism emphasizing the collective of a specific nation. While there is significant debate over the historical origins of nations, nearly all specialists accept that nationalism, at least as an ideology and social movement, is a modern phenomenon originating in Europe.[2] Precisely where and when it emerged is difficult to determine, but its development is closely related to that of the modern state and the push for popular sovereignty that came to a head with the French Revolution in the late 18th century. Since that time, nationalism has become one of the most significant political and social forces in history, perhaps most notably as a major influence or cause of World War I and especially World War II with the rise of fascism, a radical and authoritarian nationalist ideology.[3][4][5][6]
    As an ideology, nationalism holds that 'the people' in the doctrine of popular sovereignty is the nation, and that as a result only nation-states founded on the principle of national self-determination are legitimate. Since most states are multinational, or at least home to more than one group claiming national status,[7] in many cases nationalist pursuit of self-determination has caused conflict between people and states including war[8] (both external and domestic), secession; and in extreme cases, genocide.
    Nationalism is a strong social phenomenon in the world as national flags, national anthems and national divisions are examples of 'banal' nationalism that is often mentally unconscious.[9] Moreover, some scholars argue that nationalism as a sentiment or form of culture, sometimes described as 'nationality' to avoid the ideology's tarnished reputation, is the social foundation of modern society. Industrialization, democratization, and support for economic redistribution have all been at least partly attributed to the shared social context and solidarity that nationalism provides.[10][11][12]
    Even though nationalism ultimately is based on supporting ones own nation, nationalists of different states may perfectly well cooperate among each other as to support the ultimate worldwide belief that all groups of nationalities have the right to have their own nations.
    Nevertheless, nationalism remains a hotly contested subject on which there is little general consensus. The clearest example of opposition to nationalism is cosmopolitanism, with adherents as diverse as liberals, Marxists, and anarchists, but even nationalism's defenders often disagree on its virtues, and it is common for nationalists of one persuasion to disparage the aspirations of others for both principled and strategic reasons. Indeed, the only fact about nationalism that is not in dispute may be that few other social phenomena have had a more enduring impact on the modern world.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism
     

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    nadman said:
    Man this is heavy.I had to read this several times to get it.
    Basically you are saying that for a person to truly be proud of his country he must be influenced by positive social factor and beliefs?
    Or have I got it completely wrong?
    The way I understood it, before a nation (the people of a country) can be made to be proud of their country, the social environment has to be brought to a such state where they are taught the greatness of their country by both from their family upbringing and school education.
    This means the entire nation's living standards needs to greatly improved so that everyone in the country are in a state of mind that they can be taught about their own country.