Nationalizing and patriotism

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coolgayathra said:
so y mean when somebdo ysay
oout nationa is the greatest
we mena only one race,like sinhla?
or hindu
or tamil?

National = wargaya (Sri Lankika)
Race = Jaathiya (sinhala, tamil etc.)

When you fill out a CV, your nationalism should be Sri Lankan.
You race should be Sinhala.

Don't mix up the words national and race...
jaathiwadaya and wargawaadaya is not bad as long as you don't harm to another race, national.
 

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    kosandpol said:
    The way I understood it, before a nation (the people of a country) can be made to be proud of their country, the social environment has to be brought to a such state where they are taught the greatness of their country by both from their family upbringing and school education.
    This means the entire nation's living standards needs to greatly improved so that everyone in the country are in a state of mind that they can be taught about their own country.
    Ah that is what I understood.
    Yes I agree:yes:
     

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    x-pert said:
    So?

    Even there is not much racial discrimination is Sri Lanka,
    there is a belief that Sinhala is the primary determinant of human traits in SL and capacities and that Sinhala race has an inherent superiority in the country ya?

    Well... I call it nationalism :) in a good way :D
    then you're interchanging nationalism with racism.
     

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    National = wargaya (Sri Lankika)
    Race = Jaathiya (sinhala, tamil etc.)

    When you fill out a CV, your nationalism should be Sri Lankan.
    You race should be Sinhala.

    Don't mix up the words national and race...
    jaathiwadaya and wargawaadaya is not bad as long as you don't harm to another race, national.
    ethin uba issela kiwwe nationalsim kiyanne jaathiwadaya kiyala
    that is totally wrong
    absolutrely wrong
     

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    coolgayathra said:
    ethin uba issela kiwwe nationalsim kiyanne jaathiwadaya kiyala
    that is totally wrong
    absolutrely wrong

    Those words are used interchangeably as I've said before.

    You're shouting because you think Jaathiwaadaya (nationalism) is bad. and you think wargawaadaya (racism) is good. or opposite for English words.

    That's only your perspective.

    nationalism walin kiyana jaathiwaadayen kiyawenne naha race eka gana.
    ethanin kiyawena jaathi ayithi wenne ratawal walata like Sri Lanka, Germany etc.

    mokada oya wachana bihi wune godak Hitler ge kaaledi and French revolution ekedi. eyalage kaaledi jaathiyak kiyuwama Jews = eka ratak. So eh context eken baluwama sinhala kiyanne eka ratak kiyalai hithanna wenne.

    Lankawe jaathi godak inna nisai oya kiyana prashne mathu wenne and mama maaru kalla damme eeka kiyannai.

    patriotism, nationalism, racism all are not bad as long as you don't harm or discriminate any other person.
     

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    Those words are used interchangeably as I've said before.

    You're shouting because you think Jaathiwaadaya (nationalism) is bad. and you think wargawaadaya (racism) is good. or opposite for English words.

    That's only your perspective.

    nationalism walin kiyana jaathiwaadayen kiyawenne naha race eka gana.
    ethanin kiyawena jaathi ayithi wenne ratawal walata like Sri Lanka, Germany etc.

    mokada oya wachana bihi wune godak Hitler ge kaaledi and French revolution ekedi. eyalage kaaledi jaathiyak kiyuwama Jews = eka ratak. So eh context eken baluwama sinhala kiyanne eka ratak kiyalai hithanna wenne.

    Lankawe jaathi godak inna nisai oya kiyana prashne mathu wenne and mama maaru kalla damme eeka kiyannai.

    patriotism, nationalism, racism all are not bad as long as you don't harm or discriminate any other person.

    nationalism is not jaathiwadaya ban


    when we say
    one nation
    one flag
    one country
    we talk about sri lanka as one naton
    all tamils and sinhla comes together
    read this


    Nationalism refers to an ideology, a sentiment, a form of culture, or a social movement that focuses on the nation.[1] It is a type of collectivism emphasizing the collective of a specific nation. While there is significant debate over the historical origins of nations, nearly all specialists accept that nationalism, at least as an ideology and social movement, is a modern phenomenon originating in Europe.[2] Precisely where and when it emerged is difficult to determine, but its development is closely related to that of the modern state and the push for popular sovereignty that came to a head with the French Revolution in the late 18th century. Since that time, nationalism has become one of the most significant political and social forces in history, perhaps most notably as a major influence or cause of World War I and especially World War II with the rise of fascism, a radical and authoritarian nationalist ideology.[3][4][5][6]
    As an ideology, nationalism holds that 'the people' in the doctrine of popular sovereignty is the nation, and that as a result only nation-states founded on the principle of national self-determination are legitimate. Since most states are multinational, or at least home to more than one group claiming national status,[7] in many cases nationalist pursuit of self-determination has caused conflict between people and states including war[8] (both external and domestic), secession; and in extreme cases, genocide.
    Nationalism is a strong social phenomenon in the world as national flags, national anthems and national divisions are examples of 'banal' nationalism that is often mentally unconscious.[9] Moreover, some scholars argue that nationalism as a sentiment or form of culture, sometimes described as 'nationality' to avoid the ideology's tarnished reputation, is the social foundation of modern society. Industrialization, democratization, and support for economic redistribution have all been at least partly attributed to the shared social context and solidarity that nationalism provides.[10][11][12]
    Even though nationalism ultimately is based on supporting ones own nation, nationalists of different states may perfectly well cooperate among each other as to support the ultimate worldwide belief that all groups of nationalities have the right to have their own nations.
    Nevertheless, nationalism remains a hotly contested subject on which there is little general consensus. The clearest example of opposition to nationalism is cosmopolitanism, with adherents as diverse as liberals, Marxists, and anarchists, but even nationalism's defenders often disagree on its virtues, and it is common for nationalists of one persuasion to disparage the aspirations of others for both principled and strategic reasons. Indeed, the only fact about nationalism that is not in dispute may be that few other social phenomena have had a more enduring impact on the modern world.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism
     

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    x-pert said:
    mokada oya wachana bihi wune godak Hitler ge kaaledi and French revolution ekedi. eyalage kaaledi jaathiyak kiyuwama Jews = eka ratak. So eh context eken baluwama sinhala kiyanne eka ratak kiyalai hithanna wenne.
    that is wrong. Even in Hitler's time, Jews were considered as one race. Not one country.
    Incidentally, anti-semitism was already in place before Hitler came to power.
     

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    x-pert said:
    National = wargaya (Sri Lankika)
    Race = Jaathiya (sinhala, tamil etc.)

    When you fill out a CV, your nationalism should be Sri Lankan.
    You race should be Sinhala.

    Don't mix up the words national and race...
    jaathiwadaya and wargawaadaya is not bad as long as you don't harm to another race, national.

    So a Sri Lankan living in Australia is an Australian when it comes to nationality?
    Race is Sinhala/Tamil?

    oh and xp: minissu wachana tika patalogena thiyana nisa thama prashne. every1 thinks their race/religion/nation is the best so they degrade others'
     

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    coolgayathra said:
    nationalism is not jaathiwadaya ban


    when we say
    one nation
    one flag
    one country
    we talk about sri lanka as one naton
    all tamils and sinhla comes together
    read this


    Nationalism refers to an ideology, a sentiment, a form of culture, or a social movement that focuses on the nation.[1] It is a type of collectivism emphasizing the collective of a specific nation. While there is significant debate over the historical origins of nations, nearly all specialists accept that nationalism, at least as an ideology and social movement, is a modern phenomenon originating in Europe.[2] Precisely where and when it emerged is difficult to determine, but its development is closely related to that of the modern state and the push for popular sovereignty that came to a head with the French Revolution in the late 18th century. Since that time, nationalism has become one of the most significant political and social forces in history, perhaps most notably as a major influence or cause of World War I and especially World War II with the rise of fascism, a radical and authoritarian nationalist ideology.[3][4][5][6]
    As an ideology, nationalism holds that 'the people' in the doctrine of popular sovereignty is the nation, and that as a result only nation-states founded on the principle of national self-determination are legitimate. Since most states are multinational, or at least home to more than one group claiming national status,[7] in many cases nationalist pursuit of self-determination has caused conflict between people and states including war[8] (both external and domestic), secession; and in extreme cases, genocide.
    Nationalism is a strong social phenomenon in the world as national flags, national anthems and national divisions are examples of 'banal' nationalism that is often mentally unconscious.[9] Moreover, some scholars argue that nationalism as a sentiment or form of culture, sometimes described as 'nationality' to avoid the ideology's tarnished reputation, is the social foundation of modern society. Industrialization, democratization, and support for economic redistribution have all been at least partly attributed to the shared social context and solidarity that nationalism provides.[10][11][12]
    Even though nationalism ultimately is based on supporting ones own nation, nationalists of different states may perfectly well cooperate among each other as to support the ultimate worldwide belief that all groups of nationalities have the right to have their own nations.
    Nevertheless, nationalism remains a hotly contested subject on which there is little general consensus. The clearest example of opposition to nationalism is cosmopolitanism, with adherents as diverse as liberals, Marxists, and anarchists, but even nationalism's defenders often disagree on its virtues, and it is common for nationalists of one persuasion to disparage the aspirations of others for both principled and strategic reasons. Indeed, the only fact about nationalism that is not in dispute may be that few other social phenomena have had a more enduring impact on the modern world.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

    Ya. Read what's in red and try to understand.
    Nationalism is not Nationality according to that.

    Anyway as I've told you earlier, you're thinking on your perspective. I'm not going to change that.
     

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    kosandpol said:
    that is wrong. Even in Hitler's time, Jews were considered as one race. Not one country.
    Incidentally, anti-semitism was already in place before Hitler came to power.

    Yes. One race. But it was a one whole National sector rather than a Racial sector. Read the book which you took that quote again mate :)


    DJ.Parker said:
    So a Sri Lankan living in Australia is an Australian when it comes to nationality?
    Race is Sinhala/Tamil?

    oh and xp: minissu wachana tika patalogena thiyana nisa thama prashne. every1 thinks their race/religion/nation is the best so they degrade others'
    No. Sri Lankan is always an Sri Lankan unless he/ she was given the citizenship rights.
    If you have dual citizenships, then your nationality becomes Aus/ SL.

    Nationality != Nationalism...
    How much you try to change your nationality, your feelings be always with Sri Lanka.

    Race doesn't change even on papers... I'm Sinhala until I die... I can't change it.
    That's why they say racism is bad. but nationalism is good. But when it comes to Sinhala words they bluff :rofl:

    aniwa ow. wachana patalena nisa thamai case eka.

    Wargawaadaya saha anthawadi wargawaadaya,
    jaathiwaadaya saha anthawadi jaathiwaadaya patalagena inne anika...
     

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    uba dakka x pert
    eeye thibuna rathu eeree


    kiwwa sentence eka

    deamal jaathiwadaya
    or sinhala jaathiwadaya nawath wanna onne

    kiyala thamaya kiwwe

    jaathiwadayata anthawadee jathiwaadaya kiyala ekak naaaa..
    jaathiwadaaya kiyanne wenath races walata hate karna eka

    eka kisima lesakin nationalism wenne naa
     

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    x-pert said:
    Yes. One race. But it was a one whole National sector rather than a Racial sector. Read the book which you took that quote again mate :)
    I'm reading it. So far I havent found any reference to to say that jews were considered as a national sector. Its always referred to as a racial sector.
     

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    coolgayathra said:
    uba dakka x pert
    eeye thibuna rathu eeree


    kiwwa sentence eka

    deamal jaathiwadaya
    or sinhala jaathiwadaya nawath wanna onne

    kiyala thamaya kiwwe

    jaathiwadayata anthawadee jathiwaadaya kiyala ekak naaaa..
    jaathiwadaaya kiyanne wenath races walata hate karna eka

    eka kisima lesakin nationalism wenne naa

    නෑ මම හිතන්නෙ ජාතිවාදය කියන්නෙ තමන්ගෙ ජාතිය ගැන විතරක් හිතන එක. ජාතිවාදියාට වැඩක් නෑ වෙන ජාතියකට හෙන ගහල ගියත් එයාට වැදගත් තමන්ගෙ ජාතිය විතරයි
     

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    coolgayathra said:
    uba dakka x pert
    eeye thibuna rathu eeree


    kiwwa sentence eka

    deamal jaathiwadaya
    or sinhala jaathiwadaya nawath wanna onne

    kiyala thamaya kiwwe

    jaathiwadayata anthawadee jathiwaadaya kiyala ekak naaaa..
    jaathiwadaaya kiyanne wenath races walata hate karna eka

    eka kisima lesakin nationalism wenne naa

    Mama lankawe newei malaya inne rathu ira balanna.

    owu. ehema kiyuwa nam eh kiyanne anthayata giyapu jaathi waadayak gana.

    eh kiyanne thamunge jaathiya thamai usas kiyala anith jaathiya pahath karana eka.

    Namuth thamunge jaathiya usas kiyala self pride ekak pamanak athi karaganna eke waradak mama dakinne naha. ethanin athi wenne aathma aadambarayak. So ehema hithuwata kamak naha anith jaathiya pahath nokara.

    nationalism kiyanne eh kiyana arthayen gaththahama Sri Lankika kiyana ekaine. so ehema baluwama jaathi waadayata wada jaathika waadaya hodai kiyala hithanna puluwan.

    namuth oya koyiken kerenneth thamunge ratata, jaathiyata feeling ekak thamun wisinma athi karawana eka thamai.

    kosandpol ge meh thread eke kiyana widihata jaathika waadayak athi wenna yamak labiya yuthuyi. namuth desha premayak athi wenna yamak labenna oni naha. So thread ekata adaalawa katha karamu :)
     

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    David Webb said:

    නෑ මම හිතන්නෙ ජාතිවාදය කියන්නෙ තමන්ගෙ ජාතිය ගැන විතරක් හිතන එක. ජාතිවාදියාට වැඩක් නෑ වෙන ජාතියකට හෙන ගහල ගියත් එයාට වැදගත් තමන්ගෙ ජාතිය විතරයි

    Godak minissu ehema neweida hithanne?

    habai mehemai... hena gahala giyath kamak naha kiyala hithana ekai, gihilla unta hena gahana ekai wenas.... :rofl:
     

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    Mama lankawe newei malaya inne rathu ira balanna.

    owu. ehema kiyuwa nam eh kiyanne anthayata giyapu jaathi waadayak gana.

    eh kiyanne thamunge jaathiya thamai usas kiyala anith jaathiya pahath karana eka.

    Namuth thamunge jaathiya usas kiyala self pride ekak pamanak athi karaganna eke waradak mama dakinne naha. ethanin athi wenne aathma aadambarayak. So ehema hithuwata kamak naha anith jaathiya pahath nokara.

    nationalism kiyanne eh kiyana arthayen gaththahama Sri Lankika kiyana ekaine. so ehema baluwama jaathi waadayata wada jaathika waadaya hodai kiyala hithanna puluwan.

    namuth oya koyiken kerenneth thamunge ratata, jaathiyata feeling ekak thamun wisinma athi karawana eka thamai.

    kosandpol ge meh thread eke kiyana widihata jaathika waadayak athi wenna yamak labiya yuthuyi. namuth desha premayak athi wenna yamak labenna oni naha. So thread ekata adaalawa katha karamu :)

    ow ow
    desha premi
    hewath patriotism ekata mukuth onen na
    ape army eke kollo mukuth labuna hinda nemi thamange jeewithaya rata wewu wen puda kaale:yes:
     

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    kosandpol said:
    I'm reading it. So far I havent found any reference to to say that jews were considered as a national sector. Its always referred to as a racial sector.

    They talk about federalism, propaganda etc in the 2nd volume :) read on and see.

    Well I'm not sure whether they use the exact wording. But thats the tacit meaning I got from that
     

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    um.. guys we are way off topic now.
    I understand nationalism as love and loyalty for one's nation where nation is considered to be the whole country. Regardless of the individual races living in that country.

    At least, in this thread, can we stick with this definition for these words and get back to the topic?