Overclocking Guide

[fallenzeraphine]

and for the whole sound card thing..yes X-fi has about 15% quality increase over the Audigy and has higher SNR (actualy it is as good as a studio quality recording device) and has about 24 times more processing power than the Audigy (meaning it can process a hell of a lot more audio paths simultaniousely) and it DOES increase gaming performace quite a bit than using a onboard Sound card...and yes you will need a very good audio system hear the difference... i got a Altec Lansing Mx5021 THX and it make a huge difference when i plug the x-fi in (MX5021 is a superb product if u have one u will agree with me)..my recommendation is if u have 100 bucks to spare buy a x-fi (dont buy the x-fi extream Audio it does not have the EMU20K1 core it has the CA0106-WBTLF from Audigy) its worth it...(that is if u already have a great CPU and a Video Card if u dont, spend ur money on them before going for a x-fi)

 

[chanster]

Yes the MX5021 is awesome.....I saw the thing at unity......They had a display......Btw Xtreme Audio still sounds better than Audigy 2....Dont know about Audigy 4 ....but the tone n the vocals are better on the Xtreme Audio......

 

[fallenzeraphine]

aww yes u must be right i havent tested one yet but im sure Xtreme Audio have a Audigy 4 DSP so it must sound a wee bit better than a Audigy 2....

 

[Anusha]

well well look whos talking, the facts are:
* Core 2 CPUs are not made to go beyond 3.2 GHZ (over this limit it will reduce the life span of the CPU by electron leaking in transister levels)

* 160 bucks is a lot u can buy a Radeon 3850 with that kinda money (the best card for that money range) and it will make ur games run faster

* i was not wrong here : "E 6600 mul 9 OC on a 800MHz = 9x400 = 3.6 GHz (almost the limit of a air cooled Core 2 with a G2 revision G0 go a bit higher)
E 6420 mul 8 OC on a 800MHz = 8x400 (corrected from 333) = ~3.0GHz"

u simply confused the 800MHz (what i meant was the speed of the RAM not the FSB) as the FSB, yes i know its quad pumped, thats why i said 9*400(1600/4 = 400 1:1 ratio with the DDR2 ram as u know DDR2 is double pumped means its base freq is 400MHz) and in case u dont know how to multiply 9*400 = 3600 Mathematicaly prooven 400
9 *0 = 0
9*0 = 0
9*4 = 36
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3600
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"And just for the record
E6600 stock is 9*266=2400MHz
E6420 stock is 8*266=2130MHz"

and ur point would be what ???
i was not talking about the stock speeds of these CPU's

anyway sorry for the late reply

AFAIK, higher clock speed doesn't lower the life span of a CPU because of electron leaking. It does, however, lower the lifespan because higher the clock speed, higher the heat generation, and higher the operating temperature if all the other factors are kept constant. HIGHER THE OPERATING TEMPERATURE, LOWER THE LIFE SPAN. That's the rule.

Transistor leak will occur at higher "voltages" and higher "tempreatures", but this is not the biggest problem these days. "Electron migration" is a bigger deal, because it might happen at as low as 1.4V on a 45nm CPU. You should never go over 1.5V with a 65nm CPU, regardless of whether you are using a phase change or peltier cooling setups and are running at lower than 0C. Electron migration is the phenomena of bursting the interconnects when a denser flow of electrons flow through the "wires".

 

[shiwankaswe]

may be blast you cpu

 

[gayannr]

may be blast you cpu

blast

 

[Anusha]

may be blast you cpu

You are so intelligent! Want to be my friend?

 

[fallenzeraphine]

you are correct anusha but Higher frequency means high temps and high voltage...thus reducing the life of the CPU...and im sure u know that there is a technical limit to a CPU frequency that does not violate the stability,life span, thermal yeild standards...even if u maintain the temp there are other factors that will reduce the life of a CPU if it goes beyond the frequency that it was designed to run at

 

[max123]

nice info

 

[nEoN_wHitE]

Nice thread... Nice thread to realise the true smart asses

monawa unath asses thamai
dnt u wanna join

 

[Anusha]

you are correct anusha but Higher frequency means high temps and high voltage...thus reducing the life of the CPU...and im sure u know that there is a technical limit to a CPU frequency that does not violate the stability,life span, thermal yeild standards...even if u maintain the temp there are other factors that will reduce the life of a CPU if it goes beyond the frequency that it was designed to run at

There is a limit to the clock speed, and it is dependant on the following factors.

1. Temperature = Higher the temperature, more the transistor leak is, and the correct clock levels (high and low) cannot to be achieved.

2. Voltage = There is a defined voltage level for high/low values of a clock. For example, 5V for high and 0V low maybe theoretical, but actually the circuits identify high as 3.3V+ and low as 1.5V-. (These maybe not be the values used in a CPU) And There is something called a rise time, as in the clocks do not rise really sharply...They increase kinda exponentially (like a charging capacitor), not as a brick wall. So if the high/low values cannot be reached within the half cycle, things go haywire. This is the worst case, you always have to keep a safety zone so that it never happens. And also the clock shown on the pic is exxagerated to make you folks understand it.

3. Process tech: 65nm or 45nm etc. I'm not entirely sure how this works though. Probably has something to do with tunneling (as in quantum physics; 25nm tech is supposed to give phenomenal yields...as I read somewhere) This is also the major factor in making higher clocked CPUs without endangering the components within the CPU.

 

[fallenzeraphine]

There is a limit to the clock speed, and it is dependant on the following factors.

1. Temperature = Higher the temperature, more the transistor leak is, and the correct clock levels (high and low) cannot to be achieved.

2. Voltage = There is a defined voltage level for high/low values of a clock. For example, 5V for high and 0V low maybe theoretical, but actually the circuits identify high as 3.3V+ and low as 1.5V-. (These maybe not be the values used in a CPU) And There is something called a rise time, as in the clocks do not rise really sharply...They increase kinda exponentially (like a charging capacitor), not as a brick wall. So if the high/low values cannot be reached within the half cycle, things go haywire. This is the worst case, you always have to keep a safety zone so that it never happens. And also the clock shown on the pic is exxagerated to make you folks understand it.

3. Process tech: 65nm or 45nm etc. I'm not entirely sure how this works though. Probably has something to do with tunneling (as in quantum physics; 25nm tech is supposed to give phenomenal yields...as I read somewhere) This is also the major factor in making higher clocked CPUs without endangering the components within the CPU.

cool there u go..ohh i have seen this chart before..ur correct...as the fabircation process gets smaller quantum level physics comes in to play, yes its called quantum tunneling.

 

[Anusha]

cool there u go..ohh i have seen this chart before..ur correct...as the fabircation process gets smaller quantum level physics comes in to play, yes its called quantum tunneling.

Well, I came up with the graph tbh

So when applying a higher voltage, the risetime can be lowered (slightly of course)

 

[chanster]

aww yes u must be right i havent tested one yet but im sure Xtreme Audio have a Audigy 4 DSP so it must sound a wee bit better than a Audigy 2....

Where did you get that info? Audigy 4 and which version of Audigy 4?

EDIT=Xtreme Audio has CA0106 as u mentioned and it is used in Audigy SE, Audigy 2SE,Live 24bit etc...Audigy 4 Uses a different chip(Cant be sure what it is) which has hardware capabilities.....The Pro uses the Same Audigy 2 ZS chip with better DACs actually four CS4398 DACs....

 

[Sasika@Elakiri]

This is what you are

Booruvo,Pennapiya

Uba ipadune pokunakada ban?

Kalakanniya

Edit:mama ban vena nisa meka edit kala.next time balamu

disrespect, bt mama umba wage admin lata kelam kiyana ekek neme, mam Kola gemba kiyala kivva kiyalath GT ta pm kalane...

Booruvo,Pennapiya puluvan nam same de???Nikan Keyboard ekai tharahai thivuna paliyata type karanava.

Mata tharaham naa mama kivve chanster ekka thiyana boru argument eka nawaththanna kiyala, echcharama umba jelada??

You looked good yesterday,I thought wrong.That will never happen

Uba ipadune pokunakada ban?Hama ekatama paninne?Danna magulakuth ne.

Konda pana ne yako ubalata

You are telling that I was good yesterday is bcoz i didn't tell nything to you and thats bcoz you told nothing to me.

I cant just shut up and wait when you try to take other members down,I cannot shut up and wait when you try to bully new members and ppl with low IT knowledge .

konda pana thiyana nisa thamai mehema post daanne

Enavanan knowledge ekath ekka varen

Uba dannava nam OC gena,Sound gena varen .Ube yaluvath ekka set vela onnam copy karagena mata kiyavapan.Mata kisi gamak ne.

Knowledge is accessible easily in this 21st century if you have Internet, You also have learn many bcoz of the net . Yes we do copy paste more often but not to boast the knowledge like you but to give others some knowledge. what you do is copy paste some news and wait till another member post in your thread and start arguing with him, or post some damn showoff thing, quoting a thread starter's post.
(brainy ppl never show off their knowledge or criticize others)

Mama nodanna de,danna de pili gannava

anith ewa katha karanna kalin puluwannam uda kiyala thiyana deta evidence deepan

MAta ubalata vage prasiddiye kunuharpa gahala vedi puruddak ne.Onnam IM add karannam kiyavapan balanna danna deyak gena.

at this point feel so sorry for you, If this is your way alrite Im always ready BTW i dont do chatting.

Danaganin uba kochchara kivvath ,mama newsme forum ekata copy->paste karana eka navaththanne ne mata karanna puluvan thak kal.Lagadima beri vevi.Eth ethakan mama vedagath de news and discussion ekata danava.

Very good, Nawaththanna epa digatama post daanna, api kawuruwath nawaththanna kivveth naa, mamath ek ekata new dawas wala ube threads walin news danagaththa so thanks But api kiyanne pandithayek novi panidithaya wage post daanna epa kiyala


Umbe amana pandithakama umba me post eken pennuwa...
Nihathamani weyan

Booruvo,Pennapiya puluvan nam same de???Nikan Keyboard ekai tharahai thivuna paliyata type karanava.
Uba ipadune pokunakada ban?Hama ekatama paninne?Danna magulakuth ne.Copy paste gana kiyavanava.Puluvan nam mage post copy karapu thanak me universe eken hoyagena vara.Konda pana ne yako ubalata Enavanan knowledge ekath ekka varen.Copy paste karapuva mama methana eli karanava mage dialup bila neth nam.Mama ubata warning eka dunna nathi eka,CROSS ME , ITS WAR.You looked good yesterday,I thought wrong.That will never happen.Uba dannava nam OC gena,Sound gena varen .Ube yaluvath ekka set vela onnam copy karagena mata kiyavapan.Mata kisi gamak ne.
Mama ubata kivva kelinma mama copy paste karana than.Mama nodanna de,danna de pili gannava.Issellama eka purudu veyan.MAta ubalata vage prasiddiye kunuharpa gahala vedi puruddak ne.Onnam IM add karannam kiyavapan balanna danna deyak gena.

Danaganin uba kochchara kivvath ,mama newsme forum ekata copy->paste karana eka navaththanne ne mata karanna puluvan thak kal.Lagadima beri vevi.Eth ethakan mama vedagath de news and discussion ekata danava.Puluvan nam mata nobena kata hari udavvak vena vedakata post daapan.Aparaade mage post ekai davasai.Kalakanniya
Edit:mama ban vena nisa meka edit kala.next time balamu

 

[Anusha]

Now now...this is exciting or what?

 

[lahirumam]

Now now...this is exciting or what?

Overclocking (Cooking ) your Tempers.....

 

[chanster]

I felt a good difference(well I dont know if its my ears are bad)going from AC97 audio to Creative SB audigy SE ,both are onboard.(The creative one is same as SB 2 ZS external)It felt great with EAX,bass boost and lots of things.But Unfortunately I feel like all the SBs are same in quality like.

This was posted by our dear friend zCexVe on TPU forums...So zCexVe why do you post something like this just to prove me wrong?

Virtually its the same quality but the few things like CPU usage are different considering the OB and separate card.

Now since we have great speeds and OB sound is so great,Actually sound department doesnt need to be a addon.

But with the addons like almost dieing EAX,CMSS 3D I accept you cant beat a normal onboard.

EDIT=If your OB Audigy was so great think of a separate Audigy with real Audigy chip........

 

[randula01]

Thanx....Info............

 

[chanster]

Go to THIS ull find the original guide.......but some links are not working.......