Pancha Upadanaskandaye gataluwak

[dammamuditha]

I am new to elakiri community, and saw a lot of buddhism threads, I thought someone will help me to understand one thing connected to "pancha upadanskandaya".

sanskara nisa vinnanaya hataganna bawa hithaganna tikak amaruyi, pinwath muthurek hari mithuriyek hari mata pahadili karala denna puluwan nam godak pin.

pinwath kiribathgoda nayaka swaminwahansege poth USA walata labaganna puluwan widihak kawuruhari dannawanam mata kiyanawada? mama kapruka thulin order karala poth labagaththa, aath aa poth godak damage wela thibuna.

theruwan saranayi hamotama
dammamuditha

 

[kalyanamithra]

Pinwath mithura,

Pleasing to see you make the first post to initiate a discussion on Shri Saddharma
Bohoma pin e gena

I am new to elakiri community, and saw a lot of buddhism threads, I thought someone will help me to understand one thing connected to "pancha upadanskandaya".

sanskara nisa vinnanaya hataganna bawa hithaganna tikak amaruyi, pinwath muthurek hari mithuriyek hari mata pahadili karala denna puluwan nam godak pin.

First of all we should clearly understand that "Sankhara" in Paticcasamuppada and "Sankhara" in Panchaupadanakkandha are not the same

"Sankhara" in Panchaupadanakkandha is best explained in Nibbedika Sutta:
http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/mp3/5/5.4_Nibbedhika_Sutta1.mp3
http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/mp3/5/5.5_Nibbedhika_Sutta2.mp3

"Sankhara" in Paticcasamuppada is detailed in Chula Vedalla Sutta
http://www.gautamabuddha.ca/bana/sinhala/064_Chulla_Wedalla_Sutta.mp3

However they are not completely unrelated; all above "Sankhara" help Vinnana to "grow": please see Parileyaka Sutta to see such a disclose
http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/Mp3/Pareleya_Sutta.mp3

Following discussions (they are however still at eraly stages; so their content is primitive) might be of interest
Pancha Upadanakkandha http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101793
Paticcasamuppada http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95018

Let's try to continue the discussion...

pinwath kiribathgoda nayaka swaminwahansege poth USA walata labaganna puluwan widihak kawuruhari dannawanam mata kiyanawada? mama kapruka thulin order karala poth labagaththa, aath aa poth godak damage wela thibuna.

theruwan saranayi hamotama
dammamuditha

Please check with Mahamevnawa New Jersey
http://www.mahamevnausa.org

Theruwan saranai!

 

[Karuna Amman]

Hmmm ...Good things happenning

 

[dammamuditha]

About sanskara

Kalyanamithra,
First of all thank you verymuch for the detailed reply, i really appreciate it.
What u said really helped me to understand the connection between sanskara and vinnana.
How i understood about sanskara in panchaupadanaskandaya is chethana, and sanskara in patichchasamuppada are kaya, vachee, and chiththa sanskara. But i dont have good understanding about kaya vachee and chiththa sanskara.I will listen those sutta desana and find out more about these.
I will check about damma books from new jersey mahamevna branch.
Bohoma pin and you are real kalyanamiththa for all of us.
Thank you!

Dammamuditha

 

[kalyanamithra]

How i understood about sanskara in panchaupadanaskandaya is chethana, and sanskara in patichchasamuppada are kaya, vachee, and chiththa sanskara. But i dont have good understanding about kaya vachee and chiththa sanskara.I will listen those sutta desana and find out more about these.

Pinwath mithura,

I too do not understand much; but what you've stated is in accordance with Dhamma...
May be you can directly listen to the Deshana on Parileyaka sutta...

As you may have already noticed Paticcasamuppada is explained in slightly different manner
e.g.
1. Gnanawaththu Sutta (this sutta explains paticcasamuppada in the 'usual' manner)
http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/mp3/4/4.8_Nanawaththu_Sutta.mp3
http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/pdf/sadaham/Eliya_Vihidena_Nuwana.pdf

2. Nalakalapa Sutta (Vinnana pacchaya nama rupo; nama rupa paccaya vinnanan)
http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/mp3/6/6.4_Nalakalapa_Sutta.mp3

3. Mahanidana Sutta (Namarupa pacchaya phasso)
http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/mp3/7/7.7_Mahanidana_Sutta1.mp3
http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/mp3/7/7.8_Mahanidana_Sutta2.mp3

All these explanations agree in harmoney (swakkato bhagavata dhammo)... this harmony may help us verify if the way we understand "sankhara" is correct...

Theruwan saranai!

 

[coollifestyle4u]

sounds great

 

[kalyanamithra]

However they are not completely unrelated; all above "Sankhara" help Vinnana to "grow": please see Parileyaka Sutta to see such a disclose
http://www.gautamabuddha.org/downloads/Mp3/Pareleya_Sutta.mp3

Pinwath mithurani,

Sama venna, mata veredila... Paileyaka sutraye neme me sambandhaya thiyenne... Eth mata mathaka ne koheda kiyala...

Kavuruhari eka hoya mehi pala karanava nam ithama pin

Theruwan saranai!

 

[yasasrd]

matanam tikak therenawa adui...but buddhagamata awashya meka thamai.....sihi buddiyen wimaseema.....gooood gooood

 

[sherlock]

nice

 

[aaloka]

Namo buddhaya,

Patichcha samuppadaye wisthara wana Sankhara mama danna tharamin mee widihai..
1) Kaaya sankhara - Ashwasa/prashwasa
2) Wachee sankhara - Withakka-wichara (hithe thiyana katha karana gathiya)
3) Chiththa sankhara - Veedana/Sagnna (Windeem/Handuna ganeem)

Saralawa hithuwahama, mee 3 nathuwa vinnanaya pawathinna bahe kiyala therenawa neda? Namuth kalin Kalyanamithra sandahan kala wage, Budu rajanan wahanse, patichcha samupadaye mee kotasa eka eka deshana wala wenas widihata pahadili karala deela thiyanawa.

Me kotasa sampurnayen wigraha karana sutra deshanawaka nama nam mage mathaketa enne nahe, mathak karala post karannam aaith.

Theruwan saranai!